targeting the secondary in the draft....
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it's not just peppers I want to upgrade in the secondary. What % of snaps is peppers even playing this year....does anyone even have the exact number? We're using him more in what appears to be a utility/part time role already, and given his limitations as an nfl safety in 2018 I would expect that role to decrease as we (hopefully) add more talent and depth to the secondary. This team has a number of key pieces we are looking to build around- garrett and ward are the two obvious ones on defense. Peppers is not part of those young critical building pieces(which is dissapointing in a 2017 first rounder)...but then again, neither are several other players on our current defense.
And Im neither a michigan state or ohio state fan.
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Peppers is 69.9 and has been much better this season than last, especially in coverage. By way of comparison Malik Hooker is only 79.7 and is not in contention for a pro bowl spot this year.
2018 Browns snap counts for all players
You can pick apart Peppers as much as you want.. but DB is really not our weakness right now with Ward, Peppers, Kindred, and the FA's all playing decently well.
The assertion that he's somehow not an NFL player or athletically limited or only a hybrid LB.. are simply objectively not true.
Also by way of comparison.. The point is that he's performing right where we might expect.
Mike Hughes, MINN cb 61.5
Taven Bryan jax DT 68.6
Rashaan Evans tenn LB 55.4
Jaire Alexander GB CB 79.7
Bradley Chubb 70.8
Roquan Smith chi lb 62.6
It seems bizarre to me that anyone would look at our smoking implosions at LB outside of Schobert and the [insert UDFA here] starting as the DT not named Ogunjobi and think "The first position we need to improve is DB".
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
it's not just peppers I want to upgrade in the secondary. What % of snaps is peppers even playing this year....does anyone even have the exact number? We're using him more in what appears to be a utility/part time role already, and given his limitations as an nfl safety in 2018 I would expect that role to decrease as we (hopefully) add more talent and depth to the secondary. This team has a number of key pieces we are looking to build around- garrett and ward are the two obvious ones on defense. Peppers is not part of those young critical building pieces(which is dissapointing in a 2017 first rounder)...but then again, neither are several other players on our current defense.
And Im neither a michigan state or ohio state fan.
it's not just peppers I want to upgrade in the secondary. What % of snaps is peppers even playing this year....does anyone even have the exact number? We're using him more in what appears to be a utility/part time role already, and given his limitations as an nfl safety in 2018 I would expect that role to decrease as we (hopefully) add more talent and depth to the secondary. This team has a number of key pieces we are looking to build around- garrett and ward are the two obvious ones on defense. Peppers is not part of those young critical building pieces(which is dissapointing in a 2017 first rounder)...but then again, neither are several other players on our current defense.
And Im neither a michigan state or ohio state fan.
Michigan State?
All this about Peppers has been covered in the flow of conversation Taco. We're watching Peppers' play his 2nd position in 2 years here which equated to learning curve #2. It's not uncommon for an inexperienced player at 1 position to share reps with a more experienced player at the same position. What you look for in that situation is - is he getting better? The REASON I bust your balls is because you get so into your predictions that you corner yourself into rooting for them for the almighty "told you so." Those can be fun but you also have to look at the situation so you can give it an honest evaluation. There's a reason they say it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft/draftee.
As for the corners, there was ZERO problem with Ward and Mitchell as our tandem. Their excellence at the back end caused QBs like Brees and Ben to be hit, pressured and turn the ball over. Our front 7 was getting to the QB better than ever. When we lost Mitchell, we lost the frequency of QB harassment from our defenders up front. Gaines got injured twice and Carrie has had to be the #2 corner. He'll be fine as a #3.
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Pep and Kindred also split time on D because both of them play a lot of special teams snaps.
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Peppers is 69.9 and has been much better this season than last, especially in coverage. By way of comparison Malik Hooker is only 79.7 and is not in contention for a pro bowl spot this year.
2018 Browns snap counts for all players
You can pick apart Peppers as much as you want.. but DB is really not our weakness right now with Ward, Peppers, Kindred, and the FA's all playing decently well.
The assertion that he's somehow not an NFL player or athletically limited or only a hybrid LB.. are simply objectively not true.
Also by way of comparison.. The point is that he's performing right where we might expect.
Mike Hughes, MINN cb 61.5
Taven Bryan jax DT 68.6
Rashaan Evans tenn LB 55.4
Jaire Alexander GB CB 79.7
Bradley Chubb 70.8
Roquan Smith chi lb 62.6
It seems bizarre to me that anyone would look at our smoking implosions at LB outside of Schobert and the [insert UDFA here] starting as the DT not named Ogunjobi and think "The first position we need to improve is DB".
Peppers is 69.9 and has been much better this season than last, especially in coverage. By way of comparison Malik Hooker is only 79.7 and is not in contention for a pro bowl spot this year.
2018 Browns snap counts for all players
You can pick apart Peppers as much as you want.. but DB is really not our weakness right now with Ward, Peppers, Kindred, and the FA's all playing decently well.
The assertion that he's somehow not an NFL player or athletically limited or only a hybrid LB.. are simply objectively not true.
I don't know if anyone has asserted that....it has been asserted that he has underachieved however....which I do not think anyone can argue with.
Also by way of comparison.. The point is that he's performing right where we might expect.
Mike Hughes, MINN cb 61.5
Taven Bryan jax DT 68.6
Rashaan Evans tenn LB 55.4
Jaire Alexander GB CB 79.7
Bradley Chubb 70.8
Roquan Smith chi lb 62.6
It seems bizarre to me that anyone would look at our smoking implosions at LB outside of Schobert and the [insert UDFA here] starting as the DT not named Ogunjobi and think "The first position we need to improve is DB".
I think all of those position need an infusion of talent. As far as I am concerned...in the draft..you go for BPA. (with also looking at WR and OL)
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Peppers is 69.9 and has been much better this season than last, especially in coverage. By way of comparison Malik Hooker is only 79.7 and is not in contention for a pro bowl spot this year.
2018 Browns snap counts for all players
You can pick apart Peppers as much as you want.. but DB is really not our weakness right now with Ward, Peppers, Kindred, and the FA's all playing decently well.
The assertion that he's somehow not an NFL player or athletically limited or only a hybrid LB.. are simply objectively not true.
Also by way of comparison.. The point is that he's performing right where we might expect.
Mike Hughes, MINN cb 61.5
Taven Bryan jax DT 68.6
Rashaan Evans tenn LB 55.4
Jaire Alexander GB CB 79.7
Bradley Chubb 70.8
Roquan Smith chi lb 62.6
It seems bizarre to me that anyone would look at our smoking implosions at LB outside of Schobert and the [insert UDFA here] starting as the DT not named Ogunjobi and think "The first position we need to improve is DB".
Peppers is 69.9 and has been much better this season than last, especially in coverage. By way of comparison Malik Hooker is only 79.7 and is not in contention for a pro bowl spot this year.
2018 Browns snap counts for all players
You can pick apart Peppers as much as you want.. but DB is really not our weakness right now with Ward, Peppers, Kindred, and the FA's all playing decently well.
The assertion that he's somehow not an NFL player or athletically limited or only a hybrid LB.. are simply objectively not true.
Also by way of comparison.. The point is that he's performing right where we might expect.
Mike Hughes, MINN cb 61.5
Taven Bryan jax DT 68.6
Rashaan Evans tenn LB 55.4
Jaire Alexander GB CB 79.7
Bradley Chubb 70.8
Roquan Smith chi lb 62.6
It seems bizarre to me that anyone would look at our smoking implosions at LB outside of Schobert and the [insert UDFA here] starting as the DT not named Ogunjobi and think "The first position we need to improve is DB".
That post was so good I could have posted it myself.
Dorsey and the gang improved the secondary so much in one year, I guess people forgot they were supposed to quit bitching.
Ward, Mitchell and Carrie will be back next year as well as Randall, Peppers and Kindred. Only Peppers and Kindred were inherited.
Do we want to keep improving the secondary? Absolutely. Is it a top of the draft or first day of free agency concern ... Not necessarily.
We need an outside linebacker. I think Kirksey's time may be done here, and Collins may or may not have a future role.
And we need a DT next o Ogunjobi.
Those are out two biggest glaring needs, but yes, another cornerback will be in.
At safety, Randall will get a new contract and, I don't care what anybody says, Peppers is a football player, and the three safety rotation is working.
A lot of football to played and, and a we have no idea who the next coach will be ... but we know who the guy picking the players will be, so look at at who he has been signing and trading for (Ward, Mitchell, Randall, Carrie...) and you can see what kind of secondary he is building.
Zombo
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Z-you left out OL fatties.?
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Z-you left out OL fatties.?
Z-you left out OL fatties.?
Ya I was just talking defense. Tackle is a need for sure. Again all depends on new coach and what we are doing with Corbett.
I think in the early rounds Dorsey will draft BPA as long as that player isnt a QB, RB, or interior lineman, because we are good there.
Z
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Boddy-Calhoun & EJ Gaines are both playing looking for contract next season. With EJ down for season, Dorsey went back to Bills getting Phillip Gaines. At 6'1" the guys 40 time is 4.38 that can turn hips..Jermaine Whitehead got canned in GB for going hothead. But here's a physical corner/Safety guy from Auburn that played with D.Randall..We also stole a NC State-3 year starter Juston Burris that I loved to watch play at 6'1"-212..He can go about 4.5 40 speed.But this dude can bring some "Bang" at CB or ST..Hope to see some of these guys play Sunday..Maybe Randall see's the trash talkin' collectors? Am just glad we don't have a gm that twiddles his dicka as many have this time of year..? tee'''''er up!!
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it's not just peppers I want to upgrade in the secondary. What % of snaps is peppers even playing this year....does anyone even have the exact number? We're using him more in what appears to be a utility/part time role already, and given his limitations as an nfl safety in 2018 I would expect that role to decrease as we (hopefully) add more talent and depth to the secondary. This team has a number of key pieces we are looking to build around- garrett and ward are the two obvious ones on defense. Peppers is not part of those young critical building pieces(which is dissapointing in a 2017 first rounder)...but then again, neither are several other players on our current defense.
And Im neither a michigan state or ohio state fan.
Michigan State?
All this about Peppers has been covered in the flow of conversation Taco. We're watching Peppers' play his 2nd position in 2 years here which equated to learning curve #2. It's not uncommon for an inexperienced player at 1 position to share reps with a more experienced player at the same position. What you look for in that situation is - is he getting better? The REASON I bust your balls is because you get so into your predictions that you corner yourself into rooting for them for the almighty "told you so." Those can be fun but you also have to look at the situation so you can give it an honest evaluation. There's a reason they say it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft/draftee.
As for the corners, there was ZERO problem with Ward and Mitchell as our tandem. Their excellence at the back end caused QBs like Brees and Ben to be hit, pressured and turn the ball over. Our front 7 was getting to the QB better than ever. When we lost Mitchell, we lost the frequency of QB harassment from our defenders up front. Gaines got injured twice and Carrie has had to be the #2 corner. He'll be fine as a #3.
Michigan State?
All this about Peppers has been covered in the flow of conversation Taco. We're watching Peppers' play his 2nd position in 2 years here which equated to learning curve #2. It's not uncommon for an inexperienced player at 1 position to share reps with a more experienced player at the same position. What you look for in that situation is - is he getting better? The REASON I bust your balls is because you get so into your predictions that you corner yourself into rooting for them for the almighty "told you so." Those can be fun but you also have to look at the situation so you can give it an honest evaluation. There's a reason they say it takes 3 years to evaluate a draft/draftee.
As for the corners, there was ZERO problem with Ward and Mitchell as our tandem. Their excellence at the back end caused QBs like Brees and Ben to be hit, pressured and turn the ball over. Our front 7 was getting to the QB better than ever. When we lost Mitchell, we lost the frequency of QB harassment from our defenders up front. Gaines got injured twice and Carrie has had to be the #2 corner. He'll be fine as a #3.
it's also not uncommon for marginal players to be part time players as well......
I'm not anti-peppers. Im not a fan of any bigten teams. Im indifferent as to who wins michigan-tosu today. I'm dissapointed we spent a first round pick in 2017(when nobody else was going to) on a player with his positional limitations.
He's not the reason we only have 3 wins. Honestly he's not a real big part of the team going forward period.
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Here's an idea: Draft this punter. He just set a new NCAA mark and depending upon how he does in the last game against LSU, he is on pace to break the all-time single season punting average. He leads in the Ray Guy Award too.
-When Braden Mann connected on a 60-yard punt in the first quarter, he broke the NCAA single-season record of 60+-yard punts with 15.
Aggie fag.
Aggie fag.
Just to follow-up on the punter, Braden Mann was named SEC ST player of the week against LSU for averaging 53.3 yds per punt for 5 punts. His 51.1 yds per punt broke the all time regular season NCAA record of 50.28 formerly held by LSU punter Chad Kessler in 1997. That also broke All-Pro and likely future HOFer Shane Leckler's A&M school season record of 47.0 yds per punt.
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Braden Mann wins the 2018 Ray Guy award as best college punter in the nation.
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Braden Mann wins the 2018 Ray Guy award as best college punter in the nation.
Braden Mann wins the 2018 Ray Guy award as best college punter in the nation.
Aggie fag
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