NOOOOOOOOO

The Gipper

@clevfan4life said:

He was not an avg safety c'mon, stop it

Below average?

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

I mean, that's objectively not true, based on PFF grades.

But there's no sense anymore in arguing with people telling me to take off my blue glasses when they have on three pairs of scarlet glasses.

Whatever. Reality didn't matter to some when he was here, I know it won't matter when those people look back ...

He was eminently expendable and replaceable that’s all you have to know.

choco

@browns149 said:

For sure. Average at best

Good enough to replace Landon Collins, who got mega paid. Average opinion, you have.

choco

@the-gipper said:

Average at best yes I’m afraid that’s the truth.

For a lawyer, I figured you'd have more dpeth...?

The Gipper

@choco said:

For a lawyer, I figured you'd have more dpeth...?

The key to proper argument is succinctness. He Performed at average no more need be said.

hoorta

@the-gipper said:

Average at best yes I’m afraid that’s the truth.

Woody won't want to hear this, but mucking through the fallout on NFL.com- here's what their talking head had to say about Peppers.

"The Giants said they would have to be "blown away" to consider giving up Beckham, yet he went for a similar draft pick haul to what Sam Bradford inspired before the 2016 season, with a mid-level starting safety in Peppers thrown in." Safe to say mid level = "average".

At least Jabril is heading home to where he grew up and can play in front of his family. I do wish him well.

Clevfan4life

It's obvious Dorsey has been talking to Thomas for quite sometime because the ink hadn't dried, figuratively speaking, on the obj trade before we started hearing about Earl. And prior to that peppers was not part of any trade rumors. U can be sure the Browns would have GLADLY packaged ogbah in this trade instead of pep because ogbah is now rotational depth...and the giants now need a LDE. But they wanted peppers instead......tells u everything. The giants insisted on peppers.

7moses7

Dorsey knows he has to build up the defense if he wants to get past Kansas City and beat the Patriots

TexasAg1969

@7moses7 said:

Dorsey knows he has to build up the defense if he wants to get past Kansas City and beat the Patriots

Most exciting thing is that we now have a formidable front 4 that can get the ball for us much more often and we have some playmakers who can score for us much more often with he opportunities the D provides. The happiest two players on the Browns right now have to be Baker and Myles. Now they are both provided premier support to do what they do best, wreck other teams on their respective sides of the ball. Additionally we have replaced the worst HC ever in pro football and on of the worst ST coaches in pro ball. The Browns are now "a team to be feared" as I heard last night from Prime Time on NFL Net. He was really happy for all the long suffering Browns fans, as ere all the other commentators. I can hardly wait to see what other rabbits Buddy Boy pulls out of the hat between now and the 2019 season opener. It's like waking up Xmas morning every day right now.

MLD Woody

@choco said:

For a lawyer, I figured you'd have more dpeth...?

Let's just be happy he knows what position Odell plays

Tour2ma

Peppers "replaces" Landon Collins? lol...

He wasn't a Dorsey pick, Woody... therefore he was expendable.

Also possible he was a not a great fit for Wilks' system... who IIRC likes more interchangeable FS-SS combos... so we won't lose that much even if Kindred is our starting SS.

MLD Woody

@tour2ma said:

Peppers "replaces" Landon Collins? lol...

He wasn't a Dorsey pick, Woody... therefore he was expendable.

Also possible he was a not a great fit for Wilks' system... who IIRC likes more interchangeable FS-SS combos... so we won't lose that much even if Kindred is our starting SS.

Pep played deep a lot last year, got that pick against Denver, and has a year playing the deepest safety ever (....ha).

I think this was more about what the Giants wanted than what we were wanting to move. And with some Safeties still out there, I can see why Dorsey did it.

Just bummed to see it when everything this season has been about him being a leader on the D and what not. Oh well

VaporTrail

Woody, step back from the ledge. You're upset that we are getting rid of a middle of the road safety for a HoF WR. This hurts the defense, but if we are averaging 72 points a game, then who cares. Our defense is much better than KC on paper.

Tour2ma

Pep will prove to be better than MOR if he used as a box SS...

MLD Woody

@vaportrail said:

Woody, step back from the ledge. You're upset that we are getting rid of a middle of the road safety for a HoF WR. This hurts the defense, but if we are averaging 72 points a game, then who cares. Our defense is much better than KC on paper.

I'm not nearly as on the ledge as people think. I'm playing it up a little on here.

It isn't a one for one trade. He's above average. I know Odell is elite.

I'm disappointed. I was hoping it'd be Ogbah or something. The Giants clearly wanted Pep. I'm excited to see our new team though

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

Let's just be happy he knows what position Odell plays

I know a few things:

A. we traded for a Hall of Fame caliber

B. In return gave up what so far has been a mediocre or below producer. If Peppers has serious talent, it only showed for brief moments.

C. The key to this deal was not Peppers...he was just a throw in so that the Giants could have a body at safety. The key was the first round pick.

So, clearly, I must know a lot of things you seemingly have no clue about.

Zombo

Woody... There is hope. Right now former Wolverine Kyle Kalis is the backup at both Center and Guard as far as I can see. And people aren't getting killed after stealing his weed, for all I know.

So there's your new guy.

Z

The Gipper

Zombo said:

Woody... There is hope. Right now former Wolverine Kyle Kalis is the backup at both Center and Guard as far as I can see. And people aren't getting killed after stealing his weed, for all I know.

So there's your new guy.

Z

And change your Avatar to a photo of Thom Darden. A proven Browns All star....leading interceptor in team history. Well loved by Browns fans. Will not disappoint. Michigander as well.

And you gotta love him Rockin' the Fro:

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Or, if you want an action photo:

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Nero

Well played, Woody. I feel it for ya. I was curious of how would Peppers develop once he was used properly and I valuee his versatility; that's useful in the tactic battle in the NFL.

Most of all, I liked how he behaved trying to lead the defense and that he was one of the few consistently good tacklers we had on D.

Mark O

@the-gipper said:

And change your Avatar to a photo of Thom Darden. A proven Browns All star....leading interceptor in team history. Well loved by Browns fans. Will not disappoint. Michigander as well.

And you gotta love him Rockin' the Fro:

Or, if you want an action photo:

My favorite player on defense as a kid.