Stay at #49 or trade down
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I understood your point. But it makes no sense when combined with your other statement. How is a "dime a dozen, worth a 7th rounder" become a 3rd round pick sweetener to move to 2nd?
You don't have to assign someone a value to see how that makes no sense. Nobody would be good with trading a 2nd round pick for a 3rd and 7th. Let's just use an example here for context. Are you cool with the Browns trading pick 49 for pick 65 and 248 (Arizona 3rd and 7th)? Or let's use this, you good with pick 49 for pick 65 and 174 (the top picks in 3rd and 6th).
People can have their own opinions on someone's value, and those can differ. If someone had the opinion that Duke had a 3rd round value, then they could make a case for a move up like that. But when you offer up an opinion that someone has very little value, you can't turn around and say he has good value to fit a narrative
No, you don't understand my point. I said Duke could be the sweetener. I don't sit around with a draft value chart when I type. I never though that Duke and a 3rd rounder would get us in to the 2nd round. I said Duke could sweeten the deal...I assumed most would understand it would probably take another pick, especially since I said he is a dime a dozen player..
I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip. I think he has more value than that, especially as the guy to tip the scale in our favor towards a trade. Read the words man.
Look, I like Duke and wanted to keep him until he started asking for a trade.....and really, I still like him. To me he like a Theo Reddick....a decent player, but not somebody you can't easily replace.
No, you don't understand my point. I said Duke could be the sweetener. I don't sit around with a draft value chart when I type. I never though that Duke and a 3rd rounder would get us in to the 2nd round. I said Duke could sweeten the deal...I assumed most would understand it would probably take another pick, especially since I said he is a dime a dozen player..
I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip. I think he has more value than that, especially as the guy to tip the scale in our favor towards a trade. Read the words man.
Look, I like Duke and wanted to keep him until he started asking for a trade.....and really, I still like him. To me he like a Theo Reddick....a decent player, but not somebody you can't easily replace.
Well that isn't how it reads. You said "maybe package our 3rd and Duke to get back into Round 2"
And you may not have been the one to say swap 7th, but you said that says it right.
I don't know what your point is about the value chart, but if you were referring to me using those Cardinals picks, you don't need a chart in front of you. I didn't have one. Its simple, would YOU be happy if the Browns traded the 47th pick for a 3rd and 6th or 7th? Duke has no value on a chart, as that value is what someone is willing to give up
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Buzz off kid, and at my age most everybody is a kid so don't take that as a big insult. I was a teenager in 1964 , just driving a car when we last won a championship. If you are a contemporary , I'll call you Gramps rather than kid. I can't help it you don't get it. In your example, I might, it just depends on if the sweetener was something I needed. I think Dukes value is in a package deal.
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Yea...well....you went to the same high school as Chuck Noll......nuff said there. (and I was born in the same town as Bo Schembechler....so nuff said there also)
LOL, but did you go to the same high school as Bo is the question? Just being born in a town, in my case Cleveland- covers a lot of celebrities, sports and otherwise.
Chuck may be our most famous alum, but those who follow golf have heard of Tom Weiskopf. #2 famous alum. Tom drove the green and aced a par 4 when he was on the golf team.
The currently unemployed Najee Goode (formerly of the Eagles) is another of our guys that made it to the NFL.
PS, not only did I go to the same HS as Noll, I followed him down the road here to the University of Dayton. BTW, Jon Gruden is also a UD grad.
LOL, but did you go to the same high school as Bo is the question? Just being born in a town, in my case Cleveland- covers a lot of celebrities, sports and otherwise.
Chuck may be our most famous alum, but those who follow golf have heard of Tom Weiskopf. #2 famous alum. Tom drove the green and aced a par 4 when he was on the golf team.
The currently unemployed Najee Goode (formerly of the Eagles) is another of our guys that made it to the NFL.
PS, not only did I go to the same HS as Noll, I followed him down the road here to the University of Dayton. BTW, Jon Gruden is also a UD grad.
No, he went to Barberton, I went to Norton, right next door. My HS doesn't really have any famous alum....unless you consider a Playboy Playmate as famous:
Sandra Hubby:
Beat that with that All Boys school you went to.
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I understood your point. But it makes no sense when combined with your other statement. How is a "dime a dozen, worth a 7th rounder" become a 3rd round pick sweetener to move to 2nd?
You don't have to assign someone a value to see how that makes no sense. Nobody would be good with trading a 2nd round pick for a 3rd and 7th. Let's just use an example here for context. Are you cool with the Browns trading pick 49 for pick 65 and 248 (Arizona 3rd and 7th)? Or let's use this, you good with pick 49 for pick 65 and 174 (the top picks in 3rd and 6th).
People can have their own opinions on someone's value, and those can differ. If someone had the opinion that Duke had a 3rd round value, then they could make a case for a move up like that. But when you offer up an opinion that someone has very little value, you can't turn around and say he has good value to fit a narrative
No, you don't understand my point. I said Duke could be the sweetener. I don't sit around with a draft value chart when I type. I never though that Duke and a 3rd rounder would get us in to the 2nd round. I said Duke could sweeten the deal...I assumed most would understand it would probably take another pick, especially since I said he is a dime a dozen player..
I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip. I think he has more value than that, especially as the guy to tip the scale in our favor towards a trade. Read the words man.
Look, I like Duke and wanted to keep him until he started asking for a trade.....and really, I still like him. To me he like a Theo Reddick....a decent player, but not somebody you can't easily replace.
I also wasn't the one who said he was worth a 7th round flip. I think he has more value than that,
That was me...kinda'. I was asking what Duke's value was. And I guess I'm still asking. What is Duke's trade value? I don't know of a Trade Value Chart for players.
...answering my own ? - Duke's value is intangible as it would be different for different teams.
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Buzz off kid, and at my age most everybody is a kid so don't take that as a big insult. I was a teenager in 1964 , just driving a car when we last won a championship. If you are a contemporary , I'll call you Gramps rather than kid. I can't help it you don't get it. In your example, I might, it just depends on if the sweetener was something I needed. I think Dukes value is in a package deal.
Buzz off kid, and at my age most everybody is a kid so don't take that as a big insult. I was a teenager in 1964 , just driving a car when we last won a championship. If you are a contemporary , I'll call you Gramps rather than kid. I can't help it you don't get it. In your example, I might, it just depends on if the sweetener was something I needed. I think Dukes value is in a package deal.
What your value for him is really isn't important, neither is mine. The point is, whether it was your intention or not (which it seems like it wasn't), your post read as the Browns 3rd round pick and Duke to move up to 2nd round. You don't seem to see that, but you know what you were trying to convey.
From someone else's POV, it looks like you meant Duke and 3rd to move up. There is no mention or insinuation of anything else.
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Buzz off kid, and at my age most everybody is a kid so don't take that as a big insult. I was a teenager in 1964 , just driving a car when we last won a championship. If you are a contemporary , I'll call you Gramps rather than kid. I can't help it you don't get it. In your example, I might, it just depends on if the sweetener was something I needed. I think Dukes value is in a package deal.
What your value for him is really isn't important, neither is mine. The point is, whether it was your intention or not (which it seems like it wasn't), your post read as the Browns 3rd round pick and Duke to move up to 2nd round. You don't seem to see that, but you know what you were trying to convey.
From someone else's POV, it looks like you meant Duke and 3rd to move up. There is no mention or insinuation of anything else.
What your value for him is really isn't important, neither is mine. The point is, whether it was your intention or not (which it seems like it wasn't), your post read as the Browns 3rd round pick and Duke to move up to 2nd round. You don't seem to see that, but you know what you were trying to convey.
From someone else's POV, it looks like you meant Duke and 3rd to move up. There is no mention or insinuation of anything else.
I clarified a bit later. At any rate, what is important is what some other team feels Dukes value to them would be worth. To us he might be viewed as an insurance policy while to another team he might be viewed as a starter, not to mention no matter what rounds value points you or I might assign Duke, being a proven player his value would reflect somewhat higher. How much higher? I guess it depends on the team.
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ATL 450 77 CAR 205 115 CAR 64 151 MIA 30.6 186 ATL 16.6 227 WAS 1 14 ATL 1100 46 WAS 440 78 MIA 200 116 MIA 62 152 ATL 30.2 187 CAR 16.2 228 BUF 1 15 WAS 1050 47 CAR 430 79 ATL 195 117 ATL 60 153 WAS 29.8 188 TEN 15.8 229 DET 1 16 CAR 1000 48 MIA 420 80 CLE 190 118 GB 58 154 CAR 29.4 189 CLE 15.4 230 ATL 1 17 NYG 950 49 CLE 410 81 MIN 185 119 CLE 56 155 CLE 29 190 MIN 15 231 NO 1 18 MIN 900 50 MIN 400 82 TEN 180 120 MIN 54 156 DEN 28.6 191 BAL 14.6 232 NYG 1 19 TEN 875 51 TEN 390 83 PIT 175 121 TEN 52 157 TEN 28.2 192 PIT 14.2 233 MIA 1 20 PIT 850 52 PIT 380 84 KC 170 122 PIT 50 158 BUF 27.8 193 BAL 13.8 234 MIA 1 21 SEA 800 53 PHI 370 85 BAL 165 123 BAL 49 159 SEA 27.4 194 GB 13.4 235 OAK 1 22 BAL 780 54 HOU 360 86 HOU 160 124 SEA 48 160 BAL 27 195 HOU 13 236 JAX 1 23 HOU 760 55 HOU 350 87 CHI 155 125 DEN 47 161 HOU 26.6 196 NYJ 12.6 237 DEN 1 24 OAK 740 56 NE 340 88 DET 150 126 CHI 46 162 CHI 26.2 197 PHI 12.2 238 CHI 1 25 PHI 720 57 PHI 330 89 IND 145 127 PHI 45 163 PHI 25.8 198 CIN 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I hadn't seen a chart laid out with teams attached to the selections.
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What your value for him is really isn't important, neither is mine. The point is, whether it was your intention or not (which it seems like it wasn't), your post read as the Browns 3rd round pick and Duke to move up to 2nd round. You don't seem to see that, but you know what you were trying to convey.
From someone else's POV, it looks like you meant Duke and 3rd to move up. There is no mention or insinuation of anything else.
I clarified a bit later. At any rate, what is important is what some other team feels Dukes value to them would be worth. To us he might be viewed as an insurance policy while to another team he might be viewed as a starter, not to mention no matter what rounds value points you or I might assign Duke, being a proven player his value would reflect somewhat higher. How much higher? I guess it depends on the team.
I clarified a bit later. At any rate, what is important is what some other team feels Dukes value to them would be worth. To us he might be viewed as an insurance policy while to another team he might be viewed as a starter, not to mention no matter what rounds value points you or I might assign Duke, being a proven player his value would reflect somewhat higher. How much higher? I guess it depends on the team.
"Oh, so that's what you meant? Ok then, carry on"
Aye aye aye
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I can see a trade to 31-45 if there is a player that is highly desired
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LOL, but did you go to the same high school as Bo is the question? Just being born in a town, in my case Cleveland- covers a lot of celebrities, sports and otherwise.
Chuck may be our most famous alum, but those who follow golf have heard of Tom Weiskopf. #2 famous alum. Tom drove the green and aced a par 4 when he was on the golf team.
The currently unemployed Najee Goode (formerly of the Eagles) is another of our guys that made it to the NFL.
PS, not only did I go to the same HS as Noll, I followed him down the road here to the University of Dayton. BTW, Jon Gruden is also a UD grad.
No, he went to Barberton, I went to Norton, right next door. My HS doesn't really have any famous alum....unless you consider a Playboy Playmate as famous:
Sandra Hubby:
Beat that with that All Boys school you went to.
No, he went to Barberton, I went to Norton, right next door. My HS doesn't really have any famous alum....unless you consider a Playboy Playmate as famous:
Sandra Hubby:
Beat that with that All Boys school you went to.
Ok, you win! Mine is Nancy Cartwright (The voice of Bart Simpson) So what was she ^ really like...
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No, he went to Barberton, I went to Norton, right next door. My HS doesn't really have any famous alum....unless you consider a Playboy Playmate as famous:
Sandra Hubby:
Beat that with that All Boys school you went to.
Ok, you win! Mine is Nancy Cartwright (The voice of Bart Simpson) So what was she ^ really like...
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OK.....so we got through day 1 with no silly trade up. Hearing JD's comments about how he looked into trading up for 3 different guys and how the compensation demand was just too high for him and the organization, I say, Good Job!! That's just what we want him to do. If he can do a deal that makes sense, Great. And if the asking price doesn't make sense....politely decline and hang up the phone.
JD 'may' move up today but at least the price won't involve next year's 1st rounder. I mean, next year, if you want to move up some in round 1 for a player, it's doable. Without that 1st rounder, those players are out of reach.
I have another rehearsal tonight (trio)........so Good Luck! Get us some Good Guys Big John!!
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OK.....so we got through day 1 with no silly trade up. Hearing JD's comments about how he looked into trading up for 3 different guys and how the compensation demand was just too high for him and the organization, I say, Good Job!! That's just what we want him to do. If he can do a deal that makes sense, Great. And if the asking price doesn't make sense....politely decline and hang up the phone.
JD 'may' move up today but at least the price won't involve next year's 1st rounder. I mean, next year, if you want to move up some in round 1 for a player, it's doable. Without that 1st rounder, those players are out of reach.
I have another rehearsal tonight (trio)........so Good Luck! Get us some Good Guys Big John!!
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okay - Jets have Darren Lee on the trading block - they desperately want to trade up into the second round, since they don't have
a second round pick?
So, trade up with the Browns, since they are already interested in Duke...
send em Duke, we get Lee, they trade up to 49, we get their 3rd round pick and whatever else
that Dorsey figures we should get...
I'd go with it. Dorsey and co will know the sleepers, etc to still pick to help the Browns round out cb/s, IDL
PS - the Bengals are wanting Lee, too - so....
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I can see a trade to 31-45 if there is a player that is highly desired
I can see a trade to 31-45 if there is a player that is highly desired
And of course, traded up to 46 ?
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Who we jumping for?
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Good pick to go with Ward. Got to believe we had those two CBs on the radar and jumped as soon as one was taken.
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