Any Holes left to Fill?
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Meanwhile back at the thread....
As for "holes"... obviously based upon the flood of threads on how great each of our 2019 picks are... we can't have any.
And in a sense we do not.
Our roster has progressed to the stage where we have positions where we can still "improve", but the current player looks to be adequate.... something that was far from true 3 years ago.
That said... I still have concerns about our D. Whenever a new Coord/a new system is introduced, the so too is uncertainty introduced. The biggest mitigating factor I see is the talent level of veteran leadership in the various "rooms".
The DL Room: Clearly our strongest room only got stronger thru FA. We expect this group to flourish.
The DB Room: Less veteran in total, especially should Greedy claim LCB as his own, but we are vet where it counts most, up the middle... and our vet Safeties are better than average.
Anyone notice that I skipped a room?
The LB Room: Not especially "vet"... not especially talented going into FA, we came out of FA less so on both counts and did not upgrade the room significantly in the Draft. Certainly there is a scenario thru which we emerge just fine... namely:
- Kirk returns to his 2017 form producing a performance the equal of his high leadership marks and...
- Joe's continued development introduces more impact to his steadying play and...
- Avery or a rookie step up and show to be true, 3-down talent.
The issue is the need to realize all three elements to not have a hole in the room. The odds of realizing all three care pretty long...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Max Unger retired.
Max Unger retired.
I know there are a few on that list that retired....but, of course, nothing is official until the season starts (and maybe not even then....see Jason Witten)
Gronkowski there, Kyle Williams,...both also announced retirements I believe. Â Maybe a couple of others.
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In short, just like the Lions with Barry Sanders, we depended all year on Chubb making something out of nothing
Disagree with your conclusion...
Barry made a lot of yards juking defenders in the hole, reversing his field, etc., i.e., true individual effort, truly making something of nothing.
We did not see a lot of that from Chubb.
Rather with Chubb we saw the OL popping him to the and third level of off-balance defenses early and often with stuffs and bottled up runs in between. Most often when everyone knew we were running, we did not run successfully, but I am hard-pressed to think of a team that did.
The one stat in the article you did not list was "Open Field Yards"
Open Field Yards
From FBO: âgives the portion of the teamâs rushing average gained after the first 10 yards of each run. So for a 10-yard run, no yards are counted; for a 15-yard run, five yards are counted; for an 80-yard run, 70 yards are counted. This number gives you an idea of how much of a teamâs running game was based on the breakaway speed of the running backs.â
Browns Rank: 4th
This kind of "Home run" , boom-or -bust performance is IMO indicative of an underdeveloped run game in total more than a dependency upon a something from nothing RB.
Disagree with your conclusion...
Barry made a lot of yards juking defenders in the hole, reversing his field, etc., i.e., true individual effort, truly making something of nothing.
We did not see a lot of that from Chubb.
Rather with Chubb we saw the OL popping him to the and third level of off-balance defenses early and often with stuffs and bottled up runs in between. Most often when everyone knew we were running, we did not run successfully, but I am hard-pressed to think of a team that did.
The one stat in the article you did not list was "Open Field Yards"
This kind of "Home run" , boom-or -bust performance is IMO indicative of an underdeveloped run game in total more than a dependency upon a something from nothing RB.
A record breaking 92 yarder helped with that for sure.  And FYI  I called that play just before it happened  (ask WSS)
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Meanwhile back at the thread....
As for "holes"... obviously based upon the flood of threads on how great each of our 2019 picks are... we can't have any.
And in a sense we do not.
Our roster has progressed to the stage where we have positions where we can still "improve", but the current player looks to be adequate.... something that was far from true 3 years ago.
That said... I still have concerns about our D. Whenever a new Coord/a new system is introduced, the so too is uncertainty introduced. The biggest mitigating factor I see is the talent level of veteran leadership in the various "rooms".
The DL Room: Clearly our strongest room only got stronger thru FA. We expect this group to flourish.
The DB Room: Less veteran in total, especially should Greedy claim LCB as his own, but we are vet where it counts most, up the middle... and our vet Safeties are better than average.
Anyone notice that I skipped a room?
The LB Room: Not especially "vet"... not especially talented going into FA, we came out of FA less so on both counts and did not upgrade the room significantly in the Draft. Certainly there is a scenario thru which we emerge just fine... namely:
- Kirk returns to his 2017 form producing a performance the equal of his high leadership marks and...
- Joe's continued development introduces more impact to his steadying play and...
- Avery or a rookie step up and show to be true, 3-down talent.
The issue is the need to realize all three elements to not have a hole in the room. The odds of realizing all three care pretty long...
       Kirk returns to his 2017 form producing a performance the equal of his high leadership marks and...
- Joe's continued development introduces more impact to his steadying play and...
- Avery or a rookie step up and show to be true, 3-down talent.
The issue is the need to realize all three elements to not have a hole in the room. The odds of realizing all three care pretty long...
Let me throw in a factor that I think improves those odds immensely. Having a DL fully capable of keeping OLs so busy trying to stop them that they don't get to the LBs anywhere near what we have been seeing for years.
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Meanwhile back at the thread....
As for "holes"... obviously based upon the flood of threads on how great each of our 2019 picks are... we can't have any.
And in a sense we do not.
Our roster has progressed to the stage where we have positions where we can still "improve", but the current player looks to be adequate.... something that was far from true 3 years ago.
That said... I still have concerns about our D. Whenever a new Coord/a new system is introduced, the so too is uncertainty introduced. The biggest mitigating factor I see is the talent level of veteran leadership in the various "rooms".
The DL Room: Clearly our strongest room only got stronger thru FA. We expect this group to flourish.
The DB Room: Less veteran in total, especially should Greedy claim LCB as his own, but we are vet where it counts most, up the middle... and our vet Safeties are better than average.
Anyone notice that I skipped a room?
The LB Room: Not especially "vet"... not especially talented going into FA, we came out of FA less so on both counts and did not upgrade the room significantly in the Draft. Certainly there is a scenario thru which we emerge just fine... namely:
- Kirk returns to his 2017 form producing a performance the equal of his high leadership marks and...
- Joe's continued development introduces more impact to his steadying play and...
- Avery or a rookie step up and show to be true, 3-down talent.
The issue is the need to realize all three elements to not have a hole in the room. The odds of realizing all three care pretty long...
Meanwhile back at the thread....
As for "holes"... obviously based upon the flood of threads on how great each of our 2019 picks are... we can't have any.
And in a sense we do not.
Our roster has progressed to the stage where we have positions where we can still "improve", but the current player looks to be adequate.... something that was far from true 3 years ago.
That said... I still have concerns about our D. Whenever a new Coord/a new system is introduced, the so too is uncertainty introduced. The biggest mitigating factor I see is the talent level of veteran leadership in the various "rooms".
The DL Room: Clearly our strongest room only got stronger thru FA. We expect this group to flourish.
The DB Room: Less veteran in total, especially should Greedy claim LCB as his own, but we are vet where it counts most, up the middle... and our vet Safeties are better than average.
Anyone notice that I skipped a room?
The LB Room: Not especially "vet"... not especially talented going into FA, we came out of FA less so on both counts and did not upgrade the room significantly in the Draft. Certainly there is a scenario thru which we emerge just fine... namely:
- Kirk returns to his 2017 form producing a performance the equal of his high leadership marks and...
- Joe's continued development introduces more impact to his steadying play and...
- Avery or a rookie step up and show to be true, 3-down talent.
The issue is the need to realize all three elements to not have a hole in the room. The odds of realizing all three care pretty long...
Well....I think that Dorsey recognized some potential holes.....in the LB room and the DB room....which is why he went after a corner, a safety, and  two LBs in this draft.  You say that the Browns did not "upgrade the LB room significantly in the draft".  One Mr. John Dorsey may take issue with that position given that he took Takitaki and Wilson.   Tell us why you think Dorsey is wrong and you think you are right.
My position is that while certainly these draft picks at LB are not proven....they still increase the quality of the depth we have there over what backups are/were otherwise on hand. And maybe they will prove to become quality NFL starters. Maybe. Â (everything is a maybe)
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This team has no holes now. For the first time is a long, long time, our ship is not leaking. They have reinforced the hull and added new sails as well. FULL SPEED AHEAD, WE'VE A LOMBARDI TO CATCH!Â
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This team has no holes now. For the first time is a long, long time, our ship is not leaking. They have reinforced the hull and added new sails as well. FULL SPEED AHEAD, WE'VE A LOMBARDI TO CATCH!Â
This team has no holes now. For the first time is a long, long time, our ship is not leaking. They have reinforced the hull and added new sails as well. FULL SPEED AHEAD, WE'VE A LOMBARDI TO CATCH!Â
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Meanwhile back at the thread....
As for "holes"... obviously based upon the flood of threads on how great each of our 2019 picks are... we can't have any.
And in a sense we do not.
Our roster has progressed to the stage where we have positions where we can still "improve", but the current player looks to be adequate.... something that was far from true 3 years ago.
That said... I still have concerns about our D. Whenever a new Coord/a new system is introduced, the so too is uncertainty introduced. The biggest mitigating factor I see is the talent level of veteran leadership in the various "rooms".
The DL Room: Clearly our strongest room only got stronger thru FA. We expect this group to flourish.
The DB Room: Less veteran in total, especially should Greedy claim LCB as his own, but we are vet where it counts most, up the middle... and our vet Safeties are better than average.
Anyone notice that I skipped a room?
The LB Room: Not especially "vet"... not especially talented going into FA, we came out of FA less so on both counts and did not upgrade the room significantly in the Draft. Certainly there is a scenario thru which we emerge just fine... namely:
- Kirk returns to his 2017 form producing a performance the equal of his high leadership marks and...
- Joe's continued development introduces more impact to his steadying play and...
- Avery or a rookie step up and show to be true, 3-down talent.
The issue is the need to realize all three elements to not have a hole in the room. The odds of realizing all three care pretty long...
Well....I think that Dorsey recognized some potential holes.....in the LB room and the DB room....which is why he went after a corner, a safety, and  two LBs in this draft.  You say that the Browns did not "upgrade the LB room significantly in the draft".  One Mr. John Dorsey may take issue with that position given that he took Takitaki and Wilson.   Tell us why you think Dorsey is wrong and you think you are right.
My position is that while certainly these draft picks at LB are not proven....they still increase the quality of the depth we have there over what backups are/were otherwise on hand. And maybe they will prove to become quality NFL starters. Maybe. Â (everything is a maybe)
- Well....I think that Dorsey recognized some potential holes.....in the LB room and the DB room....which is why he went after a corner, a safety, and  two LBs in this draft.  You say that the Browns did not "upgrade the LB room significantly in the draft".  One Mr. John Dorsey may take issue with that position given that he took Takitaki and Wilson.   Tell us why you think Dorsey is wrong and you think you are right.
- My position is that while certainly these draft picks at LB are not proven....they still increase the quality of the depth we have there over what backups are/were otherwise on hand. And maybe they will prove to become quality NFL starters. Maybe. Â (everything is a maybe)
1. Did Dorsey say he'd upgraded our LB room significantly??? Link? I'm sure he liked the players he took, but that's not the same thing.
As for my take... this was not a good LB class. Of the eleven positions in the draft Zierlein ranked LB 11th. I do not see how expectations can run high for prospects picked in the 3rd and 5th rounds of a relatively weak class.
BTW... Zierlein ranks the 2019 CB class 10th and Safety class 7th.
2. So basically you agree with me, i.e., any improvement of the team we field depends upon the three vets I discussed. Thanks...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
You can never have too much talent. I think that is why the Browns drafted positions such as K. Unless your name is Garrett or Mayfield, no one is really safe on this roster. I wouldn't mind trying to get a little more depth on the DL/DE positions. I think the browns will be active once cut-downs begin to happen in August. Dorsey was extremely active last year at turning over the bottom of the roster and I think he will be again this year. For once, the Browns might also be a FA destination for the guys who get cut because of salary.
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- Well....I think that Dorsey recognized some potential holes.....in the LB room and the DB room....which is why he went after a corner, a safety, and  two LBs in this draft.  You say that the Browns did not "upgrade the LB room significantly in the draft".  One Mr. John Dorsey may take issue with that position given that he took Takitaki and Wilson.   Tell us why you think Dorsey is wrong and you think you are right.
- My position is that while certainly these draft picks at LB are not proven....they still increase the quality of the depth we have there over what backups are/were otherwise on hand. And maybe they will prove to become quality NFL starters. Maybe. Â (everything is a maybe)
1. Did Dorsey say he'd upgraded our LB room significantly??? Link? I'm sure he liked the players he took, but that's not the same thing.
As for my take... this was not a good LB class. Of the eleven positions in the draft Zierlein ranked LB 11th. I do not see how expectations can run high for prospects picked in the 3rd and 5th rounds of a relatively weak class.
BTW... Zierlein ranks the 2019 CB class 10th and Safety class 7th.
2. So basically you agree with me, i.e., any improvement of the team we field depends upon the three vets I discussed. Thanks...
1. Did Dorsey say he'd upgraded our LB room significantly??? Link? I'm sure he liked the players he took, but that's not the same thing.
As for my take... this was not a good LB class. Of the eleven positions in the draft Zierlein ranked LB 11th. I do not see how expectations can run high for prospects picked in the 3rd and 5th rounds of a relatively weak class.
BTW... Zierlein ranks the 2019 CB class 10th and Safety class 7th.
2. So basically you agree with me, i.e., any improvement of the team we field depends upon the three vets I discussed. Thanks...
3 veteran linebackers?
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There are plenty of holes to fill(always will be)......starting line up looks pretty damn good, but depth is what keeps you alive.....
Linebacker...for starters....cuz we are weak here.....upgraded starters and depth needed.....
O line too.....upgrades in starters and depth needed....
Improved QB depth would be nice....
DB's across the board....cant have enough
Maybe some more good WR's......
TE anybody?.....
Do we have any prospective kick or punt returners???
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