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  • Nero NeroN Conversation Starter Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Reacting Well Dedicated One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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    The Browns suck, and they shouldn't be considered for the Playoffs. They're a joke, Baker sucks, Freddie sucks, the coaches suck and the kicker and secondary suck.

    OK, now that we got all of that aside for all the downers, some points to be positive about. 

    First, September has become preseason for many teams and bring many surprises. So a stinker sucks, but it's not definitive. We can turn this around.

    Second, main problem today for me was the penalties on D. They had a TD drive on first half only thank to it. Fortunately, that can be solved. Mostly the STUPID roughing the passer penalties and punches/kicks. 

    Third, in sports, there are some key moments in the game that one team gets momentum and the other one loses it all. 43-13 is a big upset, but we only needed a one catch 75 yard TD by Henry and an INT by Baker for collapsing. It's not ideal, but with all the penalties against and Baker going gunslinger it's no wonder we ended up losing. 

    I think the defense did a nice job and still is one of our strengths. Tennessee has very big receivers and we missed some size in the secondary in my opinion. 

    Chubb played really well despite having a suspectful Oline, and OBJ played well too. 

    Seibert missed an extra point but I don't think we should execute him for that. I'm only wondering if not forcing touchbacks on kickoffs (maybe he did once) was intentional or not. 

    Let's take this as a wake up call and on to the Jets next week. 

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      mjp28M mjp28 wrote on last edited by
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      I agree they have better firepower than they showed today.

      BUT they have to cut down on the penalties and not punch, kick or bite any Jets next week.

      GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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        LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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        no purple nirples?

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          The Browns suck, and they shouldn't be considered for the Playoffs. They're a joke, Baker sucks, Freddie sucks, the coaches suck and the kicker and secondary suck.

          OK, now that we got all of that aside for all the downers, some points to be positive about. 

          First, September has become preseason for many teams and bring many surprises. So a stinker sucks, but it's not definitive. We can turn this around.

          Second, main problem today for me was the penalties on D. They had a TD drive on first half only thank to it. Fortunately, that can be solved. Mostly the STUPID roughing the passer penalties and punches/kicks. 

          Third, in sports, there are some key moments in the game that one team gets momentum and the other one loses it all. 43-13 is a big upset, but we only needed a one catch 75 yard TD by Henry and an INT by Baker for collapsing. It's not ideal, but with all the penalties against and Baker going gunslinger it's no wonder we ended up losing. 

          I think the defense did a nice job and still is one of our strengths. Tennessee has very big receivers and we missed some size in the secondary in my opinion. 

          Chubb played really well despite having a suspectful Oline, and OBJ played well too. 

          Seibert missed an extra point but I don't think we should execute him for that. I'm only wondering if not forcing touchbacks on kickoffs (maybe he did once) was intentional or not. 

          Let's take this as a wake up call and on to the Jets next week. 

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          jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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          @nero said:

          The Browns suck, and they shouldn't be considered for the Playoffs. They're a joke, Baker sucks, Freddie sucks, the coaches suck and the kicker and secondary suck.

          OK, now that we got all of that aside for all the downers, some points to be positive about. 

          First, September has become preseason for many teams and bring many surprises. So a stinker sucks, but it's not definitive. We can turn this around.

          Second, main problem today for me was the penalties on D. They had a TD drive on first half only thank to it. Fortunately, that can be solved. Mostly the STUPID roughing the passer penalties and punches/kicks. 

          Third, in sports, there are some key moments in the game that one team gets momentum and the other one loses it all. 43-13 is a big upset, but we only needed a one catch 75 yard TD by Henry and an INT by Baker for collapsing. It's not ideal, but with all the penalties against and Baker going gunslinger it's no wonder we ended up losing. 

          I think the defense did a nice job and still is one of our strengths. Tennessee has very big receivers and we missed some size in the secondary in my opinion. 

          Chubb played really well despite having a suspectful Oline, and OBJ played well too. 

          Seibert missed an extra point but I don't think we should execute him for that. I'm only wondering if not forcing touchbacks on kickoffs (maybe he did once) was intentional or not. 

          Let's take this as a wake up call and on to the Jets next week. 

          It's not just the penalties, it's also the actual blocking that killed us. There were 3 plays we had open for long touchdowns, but Baker wasn't able to let it loose because he didn't have time. Do I expect Baker to hit all 3? No, but when I say OBJ was open downfield, I mean he was OPEN boys. 3 chances to score that didn't happen because of blocking, and that's a problem. Believe it or not, it wasn't our 3rd string LT that screwed us. It was Hubbard. 

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            darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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            Can we call our offensive front the Maginot line ? 

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              Can we call our offensive front the Maginot line ? 

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              NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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              @darren15 said:

              Can we call our offensive front the Maginot line ? 

              The one that in WWII was crushed by the Blitzkrieg?

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                Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                It ain't "the parts"...

                ... it's the "sum of the parts."

                And right now things ain't adding up.

                Doesn't mean they won't... just means they haven't.

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                  @nero said:

                  The Browns suck, and they shouldn't be considered for the Playoffs. They're a joke, Baker sucks, Freddie sucks, the coaches suck and the kicker and secondary suck.

                  OK, now that we got all of that aside for all the downers, some points to be positive about. 

                  First, September has become preseason for many teams and bring many surprises. So a stinker sucks, but it's not definitive. We can turn this around.

                  Second, main problem today for me was the penalties on D. They had a TD drive on first half only thank to it. Fortunately, that can be solved. Mostly the STUPID roughing the passer penalties and punches/kicks. 

                  Third, in sports, there are some key moments in the game that one team gets momentum and the other one loses it all. 43-13 is a big upset, but we only needed a one catch 75 yard TD by Henry and an INT by Baker for collapsing. It's not ideal, but with all the penalties against and Baker going gunslinger it's no wonder we ended up losing. 

                  I think the defense did a nice job and still is one of our strengths. Tennessee has very big receivers and we missed some size in the secondary in my opinion. 

                  Chubb played really well despite having a suspectful Oline, and OBJ played well too. 

                  Seibert missed an extra point but I don't think we should execute him for that. I'm only wondering if not forcing touchbacks on kickoffs (maybe he did once) was intentional or not. 

                  Let's take this as a wake up call and on to the Jets next week. 

                  It's not just the penalties, it's also the actual blocking that killed us. There were 3 plays we had open for long touchdowns, but Baker wasn't able to let it loose because he didn't have time. Do I expect Baker to hit all 3? No, but when I say OBJ was open downfield, I mean he was OPEN boys. 3 chances to score that didn't happen because of blocking, and that's a problem. Believe it or not, it wasn't our 3rd string LT that screwed us. It was Hubbard. 

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                  hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                  @jiggins7919 said:

                  It's not just the penalties, it's also the actual blocking that killed us. There were 3 plays we had open for long touchdowns, but Baker wasn't able to let it loose because he didn't have time. Do I expect Baker to hit all 3? No, but when I say OBJ was open downfield, I mean he was OPEN boys. 3 chances to score that didn't happen because of blocking, and that's a problem. Believe it or not, it wasn't our 3rd string LT that screwed us. It was Hubbard. 

                  How about OBJ getting called for offensive PI ? Fans in the stands thought it was bogus. Ditto Baker down.

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                    As President of the Negativity Brigade I agree the sky is not falling but there are glaring issues that we saw last year and in previous years.  

                    Baker holds the ball too long and makes poor decisions with his feet.  You can live with bad throws because all QBs make them.  With inconsistent OL play, which I don't think will change given the personnel, Baker's internal clock and decision making have to be on point.

                    The offensive line is down one very good player from last years group and Robinson is one of the biggest question marks at LT in the league.  Robinson's consistency is a concern and then he kicks someone because he got owned, bad look.

                    Siebert may turn out to be a solid kicker but his senior season at OU he wasn't great and he has shown nerves in the past, fingers crossed.

                    My biggest concern is the secondary.  Getting teams behind the chains is a real possibility for the defensive front but that doesn't do much if the secondary gives up big plays and penalties.

                    The final concern is Kitchens.  With no head coaching experience and his "players' coach" mentality it goes one of two ways, very successful or dumpster fire.

                    I agree with his presser that the world isn't over but the "it's one game and we're going to fix it" schtick that coach's use is less believable when you just got ran in your house as a 5.5 favorite.  If you think this is simply one loss, you're kidding yourself.

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                      @darren15 said:

                      Can we call our offensive front the Maginot line ? 

                      The one that in WWII was crushed by the Blitzkrieg?

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                      darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                      @nero said:

                      The one that in WWII was crushed by the Blitzkrieg?

                      Yes it was a line of fortifications the Germans just went around when attacking France

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                        DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                        Kitchens should never have be hired as head coach.

                        "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                          He gets better protection from the lawnmower
                           

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                            @jiggins7919 said:

                            It's not just the penalties, it's also the actual blocking that killed us. There were 3 plays we had open for long touchdowns, but Baker wasn't able to let it loose because he didn't have time. Do I expect Baker to hit all 3? No, but when I say OBJ was open downfield, I mean he was OPEN boys. 3 chances to score that didn't happen because of blocking, and that's a problem. Believe it or not, it wasn't our 3rd string LT that screwed us. It was Hubbard. 

                            How about OBJ getting called for offensive PI ? Fans in the stands thought it was bogus. Ditto Baker down.

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                            NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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                            @hoorta said:

                            How about OBJ getting called for offensive PI ? Fans in the stands thought it was bogus. Ditto Baker down.

                            Baker was down, and the offensive PI was offensive PI. Nothing to complain about on those two. The blindside call was bullshit in my opinion. A Titan cornerback lowering the shoulder to hit Njoku on the helmet on a catch was a close call (that didnt happen).

                            I think Harris made reception and then fumbled and we got that one for us. 

                            I don't complain about the refs.

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                              IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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                              Nice work Nero.

                              You’re mama’s a man.

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                                OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by Orion
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                                I would've tried to run it on some of those 2nd and 1's that we had.

                                When Robinson got kicked out because for being stupid we were pretty much screwed.  Corbette wasn't even active.  Higgins and Hilliard left the game.  Njoku reverted back to letting balls go right through his hands.  The defense penalized themselves for a TD drive...for the opponent.

                                OK......so now to take a step back.....

                                After losing our LT, the OL went to hell.  Guys were coming in, going out, getting shuffled to new spots.  It was OL pandemonium.   Then Baker had to try and carry the sinking ship and tried forcing things.  (I think that he and OBJ were not on the same page on one of the int's - which sounds about right with no preseason together)  There were a lot of OL holding penalties, but there were guys playing different positions in multiple spots and they were just grabbing onto guys.  

                                Before losing Robinson there was hope.  And we did some things pretty well early on.  Now the coaches will huddle up and try to get our 2 new OLinemen up to speed to see if they can help improve the unit.  

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                                  OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                                  ....Did our guys fall head-over-heals for that 75 yard screen pass TD or what??   Everyone ran straight for the QB, not even wondering why they weren't being blocked.

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                                    ....Did our guys fall head-over-heals for that 75 yard screen pass TD or what??   Everyone ran straight for the QB, not even wondering why they weren't being blocked.

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                                    NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by
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                                    @orion said:

                                    ....Did our guys fall head-over-heals for that 75 yard screen pass TD or what??   Everyone ran straight for the QB, not even wondering why they weren't being blocked.

                                    Well, I would say that the worst part is that the entire secondary was on the opposite side of the field...

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                                      @orion said:

                                      ....Did our guys fall head-over-heals for that 75 yard screen pass TD or what??   Everyone ran straight for the QB, not even wondering why they weren't being blocked.

                                      Well, I would say that the worst part is that the entire secondary was on the opposite side of the field...

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                                      OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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                                      @nero said:

                                      Well, I would say that the worst part is that the entire secondary was on the opposite side of the field...

                                      As I recall, that's where they lined up most of their receivers.

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                                        flyingfooldougF flyingfooldoug wrote on last edited by
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                                        Coaches had too much Ice Mocha..... like ice mocha too much weed today. 

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                                          TypicalBrowns50T TypicalBrowns50 wrote on last edited by
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                                          The refs hosed the browns today. 

                                          Didnthe titans play better in the 2nd half? Yes. The browns still got owned by the refs today

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