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  • @tiamat63 said:

    Wilks will have to severely alter his current defensive philosophy to make this work with Ramsey.

    Don't see it happening unless Ward is apart of the deal.

    Why?

    @the-gipper said:

    Why?

    Why what?

  • SO This means they will pay Ramsey but let Ward Walk eventually?  I think it’s terrible idea- it’s more terrifying losing two first round picks though 

    But You can’t have that kind of money wrapped into one position especially with Garrett and Mayfield on the Horizon 

    i don’t expect Shoebert or Randall back.  The acquisitions and draft picks this past year indicate they are moving on.  

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    I’ve got a jumbo perch in my pocket that says we don’t do more than ask about him. Gotta be polite

    Doesn't sound like it's gonna rot in that there pocket...

    Kudos to 'cube on this scoop...

    https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/20/report-lists-the-browns-as-1-of-5-major-players-for-jalen-ramsey-trade/

    Report lists the Browns as 1 of 5 major players for Jalen Ramsey trade

    By: Jeff Risdon | 12 minutes ago

    The Jalen Ramsey trade talks are dominating the NFL discussion, even with the extremely talented Jaguars cornerback playing on Thursday night and unavailable to play until next week for any new team.

    Could the Browns be the landing spot for the dynamic, disgruntled young defensive back? Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network seems to think it could happen.

    Rapoport listed the Browns as one of the five primary destinations for Ramsey. The Kansas City Chiefs, Oakland Raiders, Philadelphia Eagles and Seattle Seahawks are mentioned by Rapoport as the other top suitors.

    Ramsey is poised to become the NFL’s highest-paid cornerback this coming offseason. He’s in the fourth year of his rookie deal and has not been shy about demanding a top paycheck; he entered training camp by jumping out of the back of a Brinks truck. And he doesn’t want that money to come from Jacksonville, where he has had issues with Jaguars GM Tom Coughlin and recently blew up on the sidelines arguing with coach Doug Marrone.

    The widely regarded asking price is at least one first-round pick and another prominent pick or player. The Browns do have some options there, but paying Ramsey an extension would mean some tough choices with several other key Browns players (Myles Garrett, JC Tretter, Joe Schobert, Damarious Randall) needing new contracts in the next 18 months.

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    @tour2ma said:

    The widely regarded asking price is at least one first-round pick and another prominent pick or player. The Browns do have some options there, but paying Ramsey an extension would mean some tough choices with several other key Browns players (Myles Garrett, JC Tretter, Joe Schobert, Damarious Randall) needing new contracts in the next 18 months.

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    ^^^^^ This. & I already  said it once. Nice thought, but we can't  afford  a cap busting extension. No way you can pay Ramsey the sort of  money  he's  going to demand, and all the  other  talent  coming  off their rookie  contracts.  I  thought  this was supposed to be build  for long term  success Mr. Dorsey, not take  one shot at  a Super  Bowl  and have to  blow it up  after a year. We're  already  going to be on the edge of Cap Hell in 2020 unless I'm  seriously  mistaken. 

    EDIT: the Jags owner said he's comfortable making Ramsey the highest paid CB in the NFL. So that would have to top the current best $75 million, $30 million guaranteed, with a yearly average of $15 million. Still interested? I'm definitely not. FWIW, Aaron Donald's contract calls for $22 million a year. Garrett plays like him, and when he's off his rookie deal get ready to open the bank vault for Myles.... 

  • @the-gipper said:

    Why?

    Why what?

    @tiamat63 said:

    Why what?

    Why would Wilks have to change his defensive philosophy to accommodate Ramsey?

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Why what?

    Why would Wilks have to change his defensive philosophy to accommodate Ramsey?

    @the-gipper said:

    Why would Wilks have to change his defensive philosophy to accommodate Ramsey?

    What Wilks asks' of his corners to primarily play isn't tailored to the best ball that suits Ramsey.  He's an on man, hands on CB when he's at his best.  To do much of anything else with him to akin to buying a Ferrari but only driving it during rush hour.  

  • @the-gipper said:

    Why would Wilks have to change his defensive philosophy to accommodate Ramsey?

    What Wilks asks' of his corners to primarily play isn't tailored to the best ball that suits Ramsey.  He's an on man, hands on CB when he's at his best.  To do much of anything else with him to akin to buying a Ferrari but only driving it during rush hour.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    What Wilks asks' of his corners to primarily play isn't tailored to the best ball that suits Ramsey.  He's an on man, hands on CB when he's at his best.  To do much of anything else with him to akin to buying a Ferrari but only driving it during rush hour.  

    What about moving Ramsey to Safety? He has range... he hits. Seems to me he could play either spot.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    What Wilks asks' of his corners to primarily play isn't tailored to the best ball that suits Ramsey.  He's an on man, hands on CB when he's at his best.  To do much of anything else with him to akin to buying a Ferrari but only driving it during rush hour.  

    What about moving Ramsey to Safety? He has range... he hits. Seems to me he could play either spot.

    @tour2ma said:

    What about moving Ramsey to Safety? He has range... he hits. Seems to me he could play either spot.

    There is some history behind him playing some safety...   edit:  Would that be something I as a coach would attempt?  Not at this time.  Kid can still be shutdown corner.  Arguably the most valuable position on an NFL defense.

  • The fact that he’s requesting a trade after 2 games kinda irks me. I’m more interested in a player who want to be a part of my team than a guy who want to be a part of whatever team’s best for him.

  • The fact that he’s requesting a trade after 2 games kinda irks me. I’m more interested in a player who want to be a part of my team than a guy who want to be a part of whatever team’s best for him.

    @ibleedbrown said:

    The fact that he’s requesting a trade after 2 games kinda irks me. I’m more interested in a player who want to be a part of my team than a guy who want to be a part of whatever team’s best for him.

    He wants to void the rookie contract from what I understand. And probably won’t be the only one. 

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    The fact that he’s requesting a trade after 2 games kinda irks me. I’m more interested in a player who want to be a part of my team than a guy who want to be a part of whatever team’s best for him.

    He wants to void the rookie contract from what I understand. And probably won’t be the only one. 

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    He wants to void the rookie contract from what I understand. And probably won’t be the only one. 

    Yup.... it's become a trend.

  • I hope I'm wrong, but it sure feels like the NFL is slowly but surely turning into the NBA. 

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    He wants to void the rookie contract from what I understand. And probably won’t be the only one. 

    Yup.... it's become a trend.

    @tour2ma said:

    Yup.... it's become a trend.

    I can see a shorter rookie contract but not do away with it. And since why can players mandate their team. The NBA blows chunks because of that. 

  • It's not as if NFL players are now picking their HCs...

    ... oops...

    ... didn't our QB kinda do that? 😉

  • The fact that he’s requesting a trade after 2 games kinda irks me. I’m more interested in a player who want to be a part of my team than a guy who want to be a part of whatever team’s best for him.

    @ibleedbrown said:

    The fact that he’s requesting a trade after 2 games kinda irks me. I’m more interested in a player who want to be a part of my team than a guy who want to be a part of whatever team’s best for him.

    Or whatever team will offer him the most money... 

  • It's not as if NFL players are now picking their HCs...

    ... oops...

    ... didn't our QB kinda do that? 😉

    @tour2ma said:

    It's not as if NFL players are now picking their HCs...

    ... oops...

    ... didn't our QB kinda do that? 😉

    We had an opening. Our QB had nothing to do with winless hues track record

  • We don't need a player who seems to bring drama and that is what he is doing In Jax and that is why they both want to part ways. He wants out and they want him gone, I was surprised to see him play the entire game though, Thought they would want to keep their "Trade bait" safe.

  • We don't need a player who seems to bring drama and that is what he is doing In Jax and that is why they both want to part ways. He wants out and they want him gone, I was surprised to see him play the entire game though, Thought they would want to keep their "Trade bait" safe.

    @medicineman said:

    We don't need a player who seems to bring drama and that is what he is doing In Jax and that is why they both want to part ways. He wants out and they want him gone, I was surprised to see him play the entire game though, Thought they would want to keep their "Trade bait" safe.

    Is it drama? Or.... trying to get out of a rookie contract?  Looking like the NBA. Players choosing their team is utter bullshit

  • @tour2ma said:

    It's not as if NFL players are now picking their HCs...

    ... oops...

    ... didn't our QB kinda do that? 😉

    We had an opening. Our QB had nothing to do with winless hues track record

    @flyingfooldoug said:

    We had an opening. Our QB had nothing to do with winless hues track record

    The "point" was around the selection of the new HC... not the demise of the old.

  • @flyingfooldoug said:

    We had an opening. Our QB had nothing to do with winless hues track record

    The "point" was around the selection of the new HC... not the demise of the old.

    @tour2ma said:

    The "point" was around the selection of the new HC... not the demise of the old.

    The reading comprehension of some of the posters on here is staggering, isn't it?

  • I disagree with this move because we need to be able to sign OL in FA next season and/or in the draft.  I think OL should be added to the list of skill positions.  We just saw what happened to Andrew Luck without an OL, and we can't let that happen to Baker.  OL is the lifeblood of any team.