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  • Bad officiating yes.  Fixing games no.

  • Bad officiating yes.  Fixing games no.

    @mjp28 said:

    Bad officiating yes.  Fixing games no.

    doesn't have to be "fixing" games. It can be "favoring certain teams"

    https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nfl/news/new-york-jets-vs-new-england-patriots-austin-seferian-jenkins-touchdown-video-nfl-news/1tjm5u8tg74dl1fdhwqwgbmg2a

     Watch the video. They took away the Jets' TD, and gave the ball to the Patriots. Explain that. Just a "mistake" ?

    on frickin replay?

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  • I clearly remember that one game towards the end of the season in 2004.

    Total fix by the officials! NFL should address this immediately! 

  • Reffing is as bad as I've ever seen it, but to start passing out the tinfoil is simply batshit crazy.

    @tour2ma said:

    Reffing is as bad as I've ever seen it, but to start passing out the tinfoil is simply batshit crazy.

    You know that's true when cal comes in passing out more hats. Write it up and publish it in The Blaze.!!?

    Sorry cal-I just could not resist this.?

  • actually. the op has a point.

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    NFL Officiating Has Football Fans Frustrated and Angry

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    @calfoxwc said:

    actually. the op has a point.

    Which is unfortunately at the top of his head... so much pierced and torn tinfoil that could have gone

    The reffing can be bad and there not be a conspiracy either to make it so or to favor certain teams... which is one of your main themes... or at least was until your above post showed many teams' fans are unhappy. With a little more effort no doubt you could find multiple examples for each team.

    Hell... no fans are more entitled to bitch about the officials more this week than the Pats fans. Calls in last nite's game were laughably bad.

    Or maybe the NFL just doesn't want the Pats to have home-field advantage again thru the playoffs...

  • I just think so many bad calls are happening, and even under clear review...

    the right call still doesn't get made?

    and completely, flagrantly obvious calls are ignored?

    then, if you want to bitch about "favoritism" why don't YOU try to explain it?

    Just referee mistakesies?

    you can't be serious, that's all. Some calls are so oblivious to what happened, or didn't happen,

    and they still don't get fixed under review?

    Be serious. Favoritism doesn't have to be a conspiracy.

    Look up the definitions of your words if you need to.

  • @mjp28 said:

    Bad officiating yes.  Fixing games no.

    doesn't have to be "fixing" games. It can be "favoring certain teams"

    https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nfl/news/new-york-jets-vs-new-england-patriots-austin-seferian-jenkins-touchdown-video-nfl-news/1tjm5u8tg74dl1fdhwqwgbmg2a

     Watch the video. They took away the Jets' TD, and gave the ball to the Patriots. Explain that. Just a "mistake" ?

    on frickin replay?

    @calfoxwc said:

    doesn't have to be "fixing" games. It can be "favoring certain teams"

    https://www.sportingnews.com/au/nfl/news/new-york-jets-vs-new-england-patriots-austin-seferian-jenkins-touchdown-video-nfl-news/1tjm5u8tg74dl1fdhwqwgbmg2a

     Watch the video. They took away the Jets' TD, and gave the ball to the Patriots. Explain that. Just a "mistake" ?

    on frickin replay?

    On that jets play seferian-Jenkins lost control of the ball he regained it but never got a body part back in the ball broke the plane of the endzone and was carried out by ASF. The only way it was the wrong call was if the ball crossed out of bounds before breaking the plane of goalline which it should have then been placed back at the place of where he lost control. 

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  •  My point was, Toursies, is that it is just as asinine to try to say that the

    refs just "make mistakes" when some are so glaring, and even with video replay,

    they STILL DO NOT get reversed...

    something is wrong. Man up and try to explain it yourself then, outside of "well, the little referees are human, too you know" when we also get to see the video replay. and even then, they won't reverse some calls.

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  • I think it is time that the nfl face a congressional investigation for game fixing as well as the ncaa.  The calls have never be worse or egregious.  Anyone who thinks refs are not swaying the games is obviously got their head in their ass.  It’s time to call your congressman and bitch. With all the money that is being beat on these games it needs to happen.  They have ruin the sport, and the people know it that’s why there rating are down 25% last year. 

    @babernakle said:

    I think it is time that the nfl face a congressional investigation for game fixing as well as the ncaa.  The calls have never be worse or egregious.  Anyone who thinks refs are not swaying the games is obviously got their head in their ass.  It’s time to call your congressman and bitch. With all the money that is being beat on these games it needs to happen.  They have ruin the sport, and the people know it that’s why there rating are down 25% last year. 

    Lol another "congressional investigation". So lets impeach the referees.

  • I don't think the NFL is openly fixing games - never said that - it's just that the referees' calls defy rational explanation of "just mistakes"...when they do not even get overturned by replay video. I guess it's more like clusters of refs who, for reasons of their own, blow calls.

       Or, they are far more disabled mentally than Forrest Gump.

  • I think it is time that the nfl face a congressional investigation for game fixing as well as the ncaa.  The calls have never be worse or egregious.  Anyone who thinks refs are not swaying the games is obviously got their head in their ass.  It’s time to call your congressman and bitch. With all the money that is being beat on these games it needs to happen.  They have ruin the sport, and the people know it that’s why there rating are down 25% last year. 

    @babernakle said:

     It’s time to call your congressman and bitch.

    Ok Danno, you call your congressman and I'll call my bitch . ?

  • @calfoxwc said:

    actually. the op has a point.

    Which is unfortunately at the top of his head... so much pierced and torn tinfoil that could have gone

    The reffing can be bad and there not be a conspiracy either to make it so or to favor certain teams... which is one of your main themes... or at least was until your above post showed many teams' fans are unhappy. With a little more effort no doubt you could find multiple examples for each team.

    Hell... no fans are more entitled to bitch about the officials more this week than the Pats fans. Calls in last nite's game were laughably bad.

    Or maybe the NFL just doesn't want the Pats to have home-field advantage again thru the playoffs...

    @tour2ma said:

    Which is unfortunately at the top of his head... so much pierced and torn tinfoil that could have gone

    The reffing can be bad and there not be a conspiracy either to make it so or to favor certain teams... which is one of your main themes... or at least was until your above post showed many teams' fans are unhappy. With a little more effort no doubt you could find multiple examples for each team.

    Hell... no fans are more entitled to bitch about the officials more this week than the Pats fans. Calls in last nite's game were laughably bad.

    Or maybe the NFL just doesn't want the Pats to have home-field advantage again thru the playoffs...

    IIRC in the KC game, shouldn't that have been a TD? And an obvious quick whistle on the fumble. 

    Really- anyone whining about it should just stop watching. The game is played in (amazingly fast) real time, not slow motion frame by frame replay... Was Njoku down? I say probably- but then again Baker's game killing interception got overturned too. I like to think the bad calls (usually) even out...   

  • @tour2ma said:

    Which is unfortunately at the top of his head... so much pierced and torn tinfoil that could have gone

    The reffing can be bad and there not be a conspiracy either to make it so or to favor certain teams... which is one of your main themes... or at least was until your above post showed many teams' fans are unhappy. With a little more effort no doubt you could find multiple examples for each team.

    Hell... no fans are more entitled to bitch about the officials more this week than the Pats fans. Calls in last nite's game were laughably bad.

    Or maybe the NFL just doesn't want the Pats to have home-field advantage again thru the playoffs...

    IIRC in the KC game, shouldn't that have been a TD? And an obvious quick whistle on the fumble. 

    Really- anyone whining about it should just stop watching. The game is played in (amazingly fast) real time, not slow motion frame by frame replay... Was Njoku down? I say probably- but then again Baker's game killing interception got overturned too. I like to think the bad calls (usually) even out...   

    @hoorta said:

    IIRC in the KC game, shouldn't that have been a TD? And an obvious quick whistle on the fumble. 

    Really- anyone whining about it should just stop watching. The game is played in (amazingly fast) real time, not slow motion frame by frame replay... Was Njoku down? I say probably- but then again Baker's game killing interception got overturned too. I like to think the bad calls (usually) even out...   

    I agree that it can be tough to get a call right in real time. That said there are egregious calls AFTER they review the plays seeing things in slow motion from all angles. Tinfoil hat or not when they get those wrong it has to make you wonder. Relative to the Njoku play perhaps I am wrong and am open to hear feedback but it was not a fumble. In countless angles he had the ball and was down. The call on the field both really time and after a long review was a fumble recovered by the Bengals. The official game log was changed to record it as an interception. It surely was not an interception. If he was down (which he was) and both he and the defender had the ball it defaults to the receiver as a catch. 

  • @hoorta said:

    IIRC in the KC game, shouldn't that have been a TD? And an obvious quick whistle on the fumble. 

    Really- anyone whining about it should just stop watching. The game is played in (amazingly fast) real time, not slow motion frame by frame replay... Was Njoku down? I say probably- but then again Baker's game killing interception got overturned too. I like to think the bad calls (usually) even out...   

    I agree that it can be tough to get a call right in real time. That said there are egregious calls AFTER they review the plays seeing things in slow motion from all angles. Tinfoil hat or not when they get those wrong it has to make you wonder. Relative to the Njoku play perhaps I am wrong and am open to hear feedback but it was not a fumble. In countless angles he had the ball and was down. The call on the field both really time and after a long review was a fumble recovered by the Bengals. The official game log was changed to record it as an interception. It surely was not an interception. If he was down (which he was) and both he and the defender had the ball it defaults to the receiver as a catch. 

    @jcam222 said:

    I agree that it can be tough to get a call right in real time. That said there are egregious calls AFTER they review the plays seeing things in slow motion from all angles. Tinfoil hat or not when they get those wrong it has to make you wonder. Relative to the Njoku play perhaps I am wrong and am open to hear feedback but it was not a fumble. In countless angles he had the ball and was down. The call on the field both really time and after a long review was a fumble recovered by the Bengals. The official game log was changed to record it as an interception. It surely was not an interception. If he was down (which he was) and both he and the defender had the ball it defaults to the receiver as a catch. 

    EXACTLY!!

    That crew yesterday also screwed up clock stuff. They were, to quote a famous EX steelers QB......"bush league"!  ?

    Mike

  • does Toursies have any rational explanation (er...feeble excuse) for this?

  • lol.