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  • Yea Freddy will Be Gone. This shit is absolutely sickening. The organization has put on a nice facade for Freddy, but he will Be Gone at the end of the year. Freddy is terrible at doing his job unfortunately 

  • 2nd and 4 with the lead and the big dog eating. A low percentage throw and a sack on two plays is literally all you need to say on how bad he’s coaching.

  • The 3rd and 3 and subsequent 4th and short offensive play calls are enough to drive the last nails in Freddie's coffin..... Not only did he not give the ball to his best player on either - much less BOTH plays, but the dumb mother fucker actually had his best player watching BOTH plays from the sidelines.

    Completely inexcusable not handing it twice to Chubb and it's just the icing on the shit cake that has been Freddie's game day management. Good coaches either have it, or they don't.

    Freddie doesn't have it......... not even a hint of it.

    @d-bone said:

    The 3rd and 3 and subsequent 4th and short offensive play calls are enough to drive the last nails in Freddie's coffin..... Not only did he not give the ball to his best player on either - much less BOTH plays, but the dumb mother fucker actually had his best player watching BOTH plays from the sidelines.

    Completely inexcusable not handing it twice to Chubb and it's just the icing on the shit cake that has been Freddie's game day management. Good coaches either have it, or they don't.

    Freddie doesn't have it......... not even a hint of it.

    Its almost like being in the superbowl...goal line and passing instead of using the number 1 running back...seattle cough...cough

  • @d-bone said:

    The 3rd and 3 and subsequent 4th and short offensive play calls are enough to drive the last nails in Freddie's coffin..... Not only did he not give the ball to his best player on either - much less BOTH plays, but the dumb mother fucker actually had his best player watching BOTH plays from the sidelines.

    Completely inexcusable not handing it twice to Chubb and it's just the icing on the shit cake that has been Freddie's game day management. Good coaches either have it, or they don't.

    Freddie doesn't have it......... not even a hint of it.

    Its almost like being in the superbowl...goal line and passing instead of using the number 1 running back...seattle cough...cough

    @kvoethe said:

    Its almost like being in the superbowl...goal line and passing instead of using the number 1 running back...seattle cough...cough

    Yep....the stupidest decision in the history of the NFL.

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  • I gotta put Freddie up there with worst coaches the browns have had since 99', maybe the worst - even Hue would have been better.

    We took a Gamble and lost, it could have worked, but unfortunately it didn't. What we're seeing is more severe than simple rookie growing pains, the guy is clearly years away from being ready to be a HC.

    Let it ride and cut our losses at the end of the year, I'd bet a case of beer on somebody else being named head coach come January.

    @bbedward said:

    I gotta put Freddie up there with worst coaches the browns have had since 99', maybe the worst - even Hue would have been better.

    I've seen this from different people over the past couple of weeks, and it makes sense when used as hyperbole ("holier than God!", "fatter than a tub of lard!", etc.), but I'm curious if anyone would really have rather had Hue on the sidelines today.

  • @d-bone said:

    The 3rd and 3 and subsequent 4th and short offensive play calls are enough to drive the last nails in Freddie's coffin..... Not only did he not give the ball to his best player on either - much less BOTH plays, but the dumb mother fucker actually had his best player watching BOTH plays from the sidelines.

    Completely inexcusable not handing it twice to Chubb and it's just the icing on the shit cake that has been Freddie's game day management. Good coaches either have it, or they don't.

    Freddie doesn't have it......... not even a hint of it.

    wait....are you saying a damn running back is our best player?  That's...ummm...questionable(and nothing against chubb...it's just hard to argue a running back can be the best player on any nfl team in 2019), but as someone else noted we gave to chubb the very previous series in a key third and short and came up empty....

    the reality is running the ball in the nfl today is not a core strategy for any team.  As inefficient as baker has been this year relative to other nfl qbs and the second half of last year, that's still a much more efficient form of offense as a regular play than handing the ball off to chubb.

    The nfl is a passing league.  It's been that way for some team, but now even non analytic types seem to get this.  Running the ball is occasionally useful in some situations(and running backs can be very important in the passing game), but the idea that any team is going to 'ground and pound' as a core offensive philosophy successfully in todays nfl is absurd

    @tacosman said:

    wait....are you saying a damn running back is our best player?  That's...ummm...questionable(and nothing against chubb...it's just hard to argue a running back can be the best player on any nfl team in 2019), but as someone else noted we gave to chubb the very previous series in a key third and short and came up empty....

    the reality is running the ball in the nfl today is not a core strategy for any team.  As inefficient as baker has been this year relative to other nfl qbs and the second half of last year, that's still a much more efficient form of offense as a regular play than handing the ball off to chubb.

    The nfl is a passing league.  It's been that way for some team, but now even non analytic types seem to get this.  Running the ball is occasionally useful in some situations(and running backs can be very important in the passing game), but the idea that any team is going to 'ground and pound' as a core offensive philosophy successfully in todays nfl is absurd

    I guess we're watching two different NFLs....... try watching a 9ers game for just one example. 

  • Freddie after winning this game: 

  • @d-bone said:

    The 3rd and 3 and subsequent 4th and short offensive play calls are enough to drive the last nails in Freddie's coffin..... Not only did he not give the ball to his best player on either - much less BOTH plays, but the dumb mother fucker actually had his best player watching BOTH plays from the sidelines.

    Completely inexcusable not handing it twice to Chubb and it's just the icing on the shit cake that has been Freddie's game day management. Good coaches either have it, or they don't.

    Freddie doesn't have it......... not even a hint of it.

    wait....are you saying a damn running back is our best player?  That's...ummm...questionable(and nothing against chubb...it's just hard to argue a running back can be the best player on any nfl team in 2019), but as someone else noted we gave to chubb the very previous series in a key third and short and came up empty....

    the reality is running the ball in the nfl today is not a core strategy for any team.  As inefficient as baker has been this year relative to other nfl qbs and the second half of last year, that's still a much more efficient form of offense as a regular play than handing the ball off to chubb.

    The nfl is a passing league.  It's been that way for some team, but now even non analytic types seem to get this.  Running the ball is occasionally useful in some situations(and running backs can be very important in the passing game), but the idea that any team is going to 'ground and pound' as a core offensive philosophy successfully in todays nfl is absurd

    @tacosman said:

    wait....are you saying a damn running back is our best player?  That's...ummm...questionable(and nothing against chubb...it's just hard to argue a running back can be the best player on any nfl team in 2019), but as someone else noted we gave to chubb the very previous series in a key third and short and came up empty....

    the reality is running the ball in the nfl today is not a core strategy for any team.  As inefficient as baker has been this year relative to other nfl qbs and the second half of last year, that's still a much more efficient form of offense as a regular play than handing the ball off to chubb.

    The nfl is a passing league.  It's been that way for some team, but now even non analytic types seem to get this.  Running the ball is occasionally useful in some situations(and running backs can be very important in the passing game), but the idea that any team is going to 'ground and pound' as a core offensive philosophy successfully in todays nfl is absurd

    Tell that to the Titans and Henry. Mahomes 400+ yards = loss...  

  • why did he call that time out at the end of the 3rd quarter

  • @tacosman said:

    wait....are you saying a damn running back is our best player?  That's...ummm...questionable(and nothing against chubb...it's just hard to argue a running back can be the best player on any nfl team in 2019), but as someone else noted we gave to chubb the very previous series in a key third and short and came up empty....

    the reality is running the ball in the nfl today is not a core strategy for any team.  As inefficient as baker has been this year relative to other nfl qbs and the second half of last year, that's still a much more efficient form of offense as a regular play than handing the ball off to chubb.

    The nfl is a passing league.  It's been that way for some team, but now even non analytic types seem to get this.  Running the ball is occasionally useful in some situations(and running backs can be very important in the passing game), but the idea that any team is going to 'ground and pound' as a core offensive philosophy successfully in todays nfl is absurd

    Tell that to the Titans and Henry. Mahomes 400+ yards = loss...  

    @hoorta said:

    Tell that to the Titans and Henry. Mahomes 400+ yards = loss...  

    You mean the same Henry a certain idiot pushed for on the BB??? The one he said runs over teams in the second half like he did again yesterday??

  • @hoorta said:

    Tell that to the Titans and Henry. Mahomes 400+ yards = loss...  

    You mean the same Henry a certain idiot pushed for on the BB??? The one he said runs over teams in the second half like he did again yesterday??

    @texasag1969 said:

    You mean the same Henry a certain idiot pushed for on the BB??? The one he said runs over teams in the second half like he did again yesterday??

    Yes, BUT. Chubb = Henry in my estimation. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    You mean the same Henry a certain idiot pushed for on the BB??? The one he said runs over teams in the second half like he did again yesterday??

    Yes, BUT. Chubb = Henry in my estimation. 

    @hoorta said:

    Yes, BUT. Chubb = Henry in my estimation. 

    Almost-but in short yardage the bigger man by 30 lbs and the same speed can run over anyone for that 1 yd TD. And like Chubb you don't see the breakaway speed until he runs past the safeties before you realize there are afterburners there. Go to 1:25 mark.

  • Credit where credit is due, l think Freddie showed us a couple things yesterday.

    As disheartening as the 7 play goal line stand was, l think it shed some light on our red zone issues this year. We handed it to Chubb a few times, passed it to OBJ a couple times, but to no avail. We basically did the things people have been screaming for us to do with poor results. Perhaps this is the same thing Freddie is seeing in practices? Getting stuffed, which is why we’ve come up with alternate ways to attempt scoring TDs, like throwing to Harris. 

    I also liked how Freddie handled the last drive. With 4 + minutes left he decided that was our drive and kept the full playbook at his disposal and took his time marching down the field. We still scored a wee bit too quickly (darn you Higgins and your clutchy catch) but it could have been an entirely different outcome had we been burning time outs during that drive for fear that we’d have to punt and hope our defense could make a stop.

    Also, was anyone surprised Kitchens elected NOT to ice the kicker? He’s so against the grain that l wasn’t surprised one bit. And it worked out so there’s that.

  • @hoorta said:

    Yes, BUT. Chubb = Henry in my estimation. 

    Almost-but in short yardage the bigger man by 30 lbs and the same speed can run over anyone for that 1 yd TD. And like Chubb you don't see the breakaway speed until he runs past the safeties before you realize there are afterburners there. Go to 1:25 mark.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Almost-but in short yardage the bigger man by 30 lbs and the same speed can run over anyone for that 1 yd TD. And like Chubb you don't see the breakaway speed until he runs past the safeties before you realize there are afterburners there. Go to 1:25 mark.

    Derrick Henry would not have done ANY better in the Brown situations, because Chubb seems to have 3 guys tackling him.  And Henry isn't going to get by 3 tacklers any better than Chubb.

    I don't know, but perhaps Henry does have something that Chubb does not?     A fucking Fullback blocking for him.

    The Browns need a Fullback in short yardage goal line situations.  An extra OL doesn't really do the job.  If they don't want to use a fullback, use like DT Devaroe Lawrence.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Almost-but in short yardage the bigger man by 30 lbs and the same speed can run over anyone for that 1 yd TD. And like Chubb you don't see the breakaway speed until he runs past the safeties before you realize there are afterburners there. Go to 1:25 mark.

    Derrick Henry would not have done ANY better in the Brown situations, because Chubb seems to have 3 guys tackling him.  And Henry isn't going to get by 3 tacklers any better than Chubb.

    I don't know, but perhaps Henry does have something that Chubb does not?     A fucking Fullback blocking for him.

    The Browns need a Fullback in short yardage goal line situations.  An extra OL doesn't really do the job.  If they don't want to use a fullback, use like DT Devaroe Lawrence.

    @the-gipper said:

    Derrick Henry would not have done ANY better in the Brown situations, because Chubb seems to have 3 guys tackling him.  And Henry isn't going to get by 3 tacklers any better than Chubb.

    I don't know, but perhaps Henry does have something that Chubb does not?     A fucking Fullback blocking for him.

    The Browns need a Fullback in short yardage goal line situations.  An extra OL doesn't really do the job.  If they don't want to use a fullback, use like DT Devaroe Lawrence.

    Actually there was only one play when he had a TE in the FB position in front of him, the long TD run. Occasionally a TE would be on one wing or the other behind and to the side of the OT. His other TD looked exactly like what we were doing with no FB. And you are wrong about what he does when hit when 3 guys get him at once. He always gets at least 1  or more yards and often carries them 5-9 yards. Review that whole youtube I supplied since it is every play where he handles the ball. You'll see what I mean. He would have scored better than any back we have with one yard to run for a TD. And I still contend Hunt could have too. He's great when several get him together. Always seems to move the pile forward with low slanting/twisting  leverage.

  • @the-gipper said:

    Derrick Henry would not have done ANY better in the Brown situations, because Chubb seems to have 3 guys tackling him.  And Henry isn't going to get by 3 tacklers any better than Chubb.

    I don't know, but perhaps Henry does have something that Chubb does not?     A fucking Fullback blocking for him.

    The Browns need a Fullback in short yardage goal line situations.  An extra OL doesn't really do the job.  If they don't want to use a fullback, use like DT Devaroe Lawrence.

    Actually there was only one play when he had a TE in the FB position in front of him, the long TD run. Occasionally a TE would be on one wing or the other behind and to the side of the OT. His other TD looked exactly like what we were doing with no FB. And you are wrong about what he does when hit when 3 guys get him at once. He always gets at least 1  or more yards and often carries them 5-9 yards. Review that whole youtube I supplied since it is every play where he handles the ball. You'll see what I mean. He would have scored better than any back we have with one yard to run for a TD. And I still contend Hunt could have too. He's great when several get him together. Always seems to move the pile forward with low slanting/twisting  leverage.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Actually there was only one play when he had a TE in the FB position in front of him, the long TD run. Occasionally a TE would be on one wing or the other behind and to the side of the OT. His other TD looked exactly like what we were doing with no FB. And you are wrong about what he does when hit when 3 guys get him at once. He always gets at least 1  or more yards and often carries them 5-9 yards. Review that whole youtube I supplied since it is every play where he handles the ball. You'll see what I mean. He would have scored better than any back we have with one yard to run for a TD. And I still contend Hunt could have too. He's great when several get him together. Always seems to move the pile forward with low slanting/twisting  leverage.

    I just think you are orgasmic over Henry.  He is good, but he does not wear a red S on his chest the way you apparently think he does. 

    Henry's best asset is having Vrabel as his HC.

    And I don't say that because his dad was a teacher at my high school.  He really is a very good coach that has that team in playoff contention, when there is no way really that they should be.

  • Fire Freddy

  • Ok seen enough of fat fred inabilities to run an offense , just plain awful . OBJ pouting like a little bitch, beat by another 3rd string QB , this guy has no clue what a head coach is 

  • Ok seen enough of fat fred inabilities to run an offense , just plain awful . OBJ pouting like a little bitch, beat by another 3rd string QB , this guy has no clue what a head coach is 

    @7moses7 said:

    Ok seen enough of fat fred inabilities to run an offense , just plain awful . OBJ pouting like a little bitch, beat by another 3rd string QB , this guy has no clue what a head coach is 

    ....... '3rd string' is being very generous.