Freddie fired
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Well....all you know is ancient history apparently with your thinking that Cleveland is still polluted.
Beyond that, Prove it. Provide affidavits. And give us a list of whom you think these "real coaches" might be.
i don't know gip.....but right now i'd take freddy freeman heh heh heh.....desparate times............
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Freddie looked like the kid that pushed the A button on Madden to fast taking “Madden’s Advice” instead of the X button to call a pass play.
I’ll never understand some of these coaches and they way the game seems to overwhelm them into some of these decisions....
I was out cutting wood listening to the game on the radio, coming into that series I’m thinking.... “Well we are going to have to go for it on any 4th down from here on out...”
The guy sent the punt team out on the field and I had to stop to look at the game clock on my phone....
How does that happen? If your the Special Teams coach do you look at the head coach and say.... Hey man.... you sure you wanna punt here??
I just don’t understand why it seems so hard for some of these guys...
The guy sent the punt team out on the field
Freddie says that the punt team ran out onto the field.....but he wasn't going to punt anymore.
He did not SEND them out there. He takes blame for them going out there because he said he should've made it clear that they weren't going to punt if it got to 4th down.
He said it would've taken too long to switch teams, and he didn't want to use his TO, so he just had somebody false start to stop the clock, take the penalty, and send the offense out.
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The guy sent the punt team out on the field
Freddie says that the punt team ran out onto the field.....but he wasn't going to punt anymore.
He did not SEND them out there. He takes blame for them going out there because he said he should've made it clear that they weren't going to punt if it got to 4th down.
He said it would've taken too long to switch teams, and he didn't want to use his TO, so he just had somebody false start to stop the clock, take the penalty, and send the offense out.
Freddie says that the punt team ran out onto the field.....but he wasn't going to punt anymore.
He did not SEND them out there. He takes blame for them going out there because he said he should've made it clear that they weren't going to punt if it got to 4th down.
He said it would've taken too long to switch teams, and he didn't want to use his TO, so he just had somebody false start to stop the clock, take the penalty, and send the offense out.
This team is a disorganized mess.
It falls on the head coach.
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I questioned the decision to make Kitchens the HC, but thought it might work out. He might turn into a decent HC at some point, but he has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be a quick learner. He may not be the only problem with this team right now, but he is definitely the biggest problem. My choice would have been to keep Greg Williams as HC for a couple seasons at least, to see how things worked. Dorsey, obviously did not think Williams was the best choice. ...probably due to his abrasive personality. I guess they figured we've already seen enough arguing / fighting within. I hate to see another coaching change so quick, but what other choice do we have? He's killing the season.
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Denver is supposed to be starting their 2nd string QB Brandon Allen.
If someone has an early line on the game, please post it.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I questioned the decision to make Kitchens the HC, but thought it might work out. He might turn into a decent HC at some point, but he has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be a quick learner. He may not be the only problem with this team right now, but he is definitely the biggest problem. My choice would have been to keep Greg Williams as HC for a couple seasons at least, to see how things worked. Dorsey, obviously did not think Williams was the best choice. ...probably due to his abrasive personality. I guess they figured we've already seen enough arguing / fighting within. I hate to see another coaching change so quick, but what other choice do we have? He's killing the season.
I questioned the decision to make Kitchens the HC, but thought it might work out. He might turn into a decent HC at some point, but he has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be a quick learner. He may not be the only problem with this team right now, but he is definitely the biggest problem. My choice would have been to keep Greg Williams as HC for a couple seasons at least, to see how things worked. Dorsey, obviously did not think Williams was the best choice. ...probably due to his abrasive personality. I guess they figured we've already seen enough arguing / fighting within. I hate to see another coaching change so quick, but what other choice do we have? He's killing the season.
Your POV may be that Freddie is the biggest problem, but forget it. He's Dorsey's hand picked HC. And he's going to get at least until the end of the season, regardless of how far south it goes.
It's never happened to my knowledge that a new HC has been fired after just eight games, and its not happening now.
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I questioned the decision to make Kitchens the HC, but thought it might work out. He might turn into a decent HC at some point, but he has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be a quick learner. He may not be the only problem with this team right now, but he is definitely the biggest problem. My choice would have been to keep Greg Williams as HC for a couple seasons at least, to see how things worked. Dorsey, obviously did not think Williams was the best choice. ...probably due to his abrasive personality. I guess they figured we've already seen enough arguing / fighting within. I hate to see another coaching change so quick, but what other choice do we have? He's killing the season.
Your POV may be that Freddie is the biggest problem, but forget it. He's Dorsey's hand picked HC. And he's going to get at least until the end of the season, regardless of how far south it goes.
It's never happened to my knowledge that a new HC has been fired after just eight games, and its not happening now.
Your POV may be that Freddie is the biggest problem, but forget it. He's Dorsey's hand picked HC. And he's going to get at least until the end of the season, regardless of how far south it goes.
It's never happened to my knowledge that a new HC has been fired after just eight games, and its not happening now.
Yep, and it shouldn't happen.
He does have a lot to prove. But looking at the last 2 games in particular, the Browns played better overall, but shot themselves in the foot with penalties and ultimately turnovers.
The penalties, if not drastically reduced, could be Freddy's downfall.
Me- I'm sick of crappy football. But what's yet another "wait til next year" at this point? So effing used to it....
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I questioned the decision to make Kitchens the HC, but thought it might work out. He might turn into a decent HC at some point, but he has a lot to learn and he doesn't appear to be a quick learner. He may not be the only problem with this team right now, but he is definitely the biggest problem. My choice would have been to keep Greg Williams as HC for a couple seasons at least, to see how things worked. Dorsey, obviously did not think Williams was the best choice. ...probably due to his abrasive personality. I guess they figured we've already seen enough arguing / fighting within. I hate to see another coaching change so quick, but what other choice do we have? He's killing the season.
Your POV may be that Freddie is the biggest problem, but forget it. He's Dorsey's hand picked HC. And he's going to get at least until the end of the season, regardless of how far south it goes.
It's never happened to my knowledge that a new HC has been fired after just eight games, and its not happening now.
Your POV may be that Freddie is the biggest problem, but forget it. He's Dorsey's hand picked HC. And he's going to get at least until the end of the season, regardless of how far south it goes.
It's never happened to my knowledge that a new HC has been fired after just eight games, and its not happening now.
I don't want to see him get fired in mid season either. I really would like to keep him here for at least 3 seasons, hoping he will learn from his mistakes. I just haven't seen any indication that he will become an adequate HC, but it really is too soon, I guess. It's just a shame to waste all the talent with a coach who can't use it. I'm not so sure he was " hand picked" by Dorsey. Dorsey doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to stake his reputation on a RB coach becoming a good HC.
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Hardly anybody wants another mid-season coaching change, and we're going to avoid it this year. Starting with a beat down this weekend.
Freddie has been bad, I admit it, but it's time to get better. Even if we don't realize our full potential, we simply MUST end the second half of the season well.
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Hardly anybody wants another mid-season coaching change, and we're going to avoid it this year. Starting with a beat down this weekend.
Freddie has been bad, I admit it, but it's time to get better. Even if we don't realize our full potential, we simply MUST end the second half of the season well.
Hardly anybody wants another mid-season coaching change, and we're going to avoid it this year. Starting with a beat down this weekend.
Freddie has been bad, I admit it, but it's time to get better. Even if we don't realize our full potential, we simply MUST end the second half of the season well.
6-3 gets us to .500, 7 -2 may be good enough to get in the playoffs. Underperforming? Sure, by some folks standards. The problem as I've said elsewhere is the "big names" we've brought in- and you know who they are, have yet to produce what their reputation coming in says they should be doing. That can't all be blamed on bad coaching.
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There's no excuse to not win this weekend, period. We're better overall at every position group and as noted they're starting an inexperienced back-up.
I'm hoping we see that corner turned with Kitchens. It's fair to say despite his short comings that 4 of our 5 losses are against top 10 teams in the NFL (ESPN rankings are 1,2, 6, and 10). We have a lot of winnable games ahead.
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Hardly anybody wants another mid-season coaching change, and we're going to avoid it this year. Starting with a beat down this weekend.
Freddie has been bad, I admit it, but it's time to get better. Even if we don't realize our full potential, we simply MUST end the second half of the season well.
6-3 gets us to .500, 7 -2 may be good enough to get in the playoffs. Underperforming? Sure, by some folks standards. The problem as I've said elsewhere is the "big names" we've brought in- and you know who they are, have yet to produce what their reputation coming in says they should be doing. That can't all be blamed on bad coaching.
6-3 gets us to .500, 7 -2 may be good enough to get in the playoffs. Underperforming? Sure, by some folks standards. The problem as I've said elsewhere is the "big names" we've brought in- and you know who they are, have yet to produce what their reputation coming in says they should be doing. That can't all be blamed on bad coaching.
And that's just it, there's no WAY all of our team's follies can be blamed on coaching. I mean, our star RB had the freaking ball kicked out of his hands by our star LG and it rolled directly to the defense for a TD. That's not coaching. The part that IS coaching is difficult to identify, but many fans seem to be unhappy with the challenges, the clock management, the playcalling, and the personnel decisions. I get WHY the coaches want Calloway out there, but why isn't Higgins playing more? Higgins comes in and Baker immediately throws a beautiful DOWN THE FIELD dime to him, and Higgins catches it. Unfortunately we got screwed by a bad call, but they happen. The point is, Higgins came into the game, and Baker immediately found him. Twice in a row, basically.
So yes, the coach has to answer for a lot, and he doesn't do himself ANY favors with his press conferences. He sounds EXACTLY like Hue Jackson, and that's not a good thing at all. Gregg Williams had the best pressers I've seen for a Browns coach, but I guess they're going to be good when you actually get a few W's.
Bad coaching also can't account for OBJ leading our team in dropped passes. That's something I don't understand, and it HAS to get ironed out. Bad coaching can't account for our star RB fumbling 3 times in two games, when he didn't fumble ONCE all year as a rookie. Alas, Nick Chubb basically doomed our team in both games, and that's just how it goes sometimes. Chubb is my favorite player on the team, and he's an absolute BEAST. It breaks my heart that he fumbled three times because I can visually see how much it hurts him.
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Denver is supposed to be starting their 2nd string QB Brandon Allen.
If someone has an early line on the game, please post it.
Denver is supposed to be starting their 2nd string QB Brandon Allen.
If someone has an early line on the game, please post it.
I think he is actually like 3rd string. Isn't Drew Lock 2d string...and he is hurt too?
Besides, if you got rid of Freddie, who would take over? Wilks? He was dumped after one year in AZ....and has his hands full getting this defense to play better. Monken? Is he any better/more experienced than Freddie?
I see no one on the list of coaches for this team with any kind of HC experience. At least last year we had Williams. In some other years we had guys like Al Saunders and the like to take over if necessary. And bringing someone in from the outside as an interim HC? NOT feasible imo.
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I have a real problem with the idea that Freddie is getting fired during his first season as head coach.
But Dorsey has shown that he is not afraid to dump people who have not performed like he thought they would, or who are not a good fit for the Browns by trading away two of HIS 2018 draft picks in Corbett and Avery already.
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Denver is supposed to be starting their 2nd string QB Brandon Allen.
If someone has an early line on the game, please post it.
I think he is actually like 3rd string. Isn't Drew Lock 2d string...and he is hurt too?
Besides, if you got rid of Freddie, who would take over? Wilks? He was dumped after one year in AZ....and has his hands full getting this defense to play better. Monken? Is he any better/more experienced than Freddie?
I see no one on the list of coaches for this team with any kind of HC experience. At least last year we had Williams. In some other years we had guys like Al Saunders and the like to take over if necessary. And bringing someone in from the outside as an interim HC? NOT feasible imo.
I think he is actually like 3rd string. Isn't Drew Lock 2d string...and he is hurt too?
Besides, if you got rid of Freddie, who would take over? Wilks? He was dumped after one year in AZ....and has his hands full getting this defense to play better. Monken? Is he any better/more experienced than Freddie?
I see no one on the list of coaches for this team with any kind of HC experience. At least last year we had Williams. In some other years we had guys like Al Saunders and the like to take over if necessary. And bringing someone in from the outside as an interim HC? NOT feasible imo.
I'm not a fan of firing a head coach midway through the season, it almost never works out well.
According to the Broncos depth chart, there's only 2 QB's listed on the 53 man roster. . .
https://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I think he is actually like 3rd string. Isn't Drew Lock 2d string...and he is hurt too?
Besides, if you got rid of Freddie, who would take over? Wilks? He was dumped after one year in AZ....and has his hands full getting this defense to play better. Monken? Is he any better/more experienced than Freddie?
I see no one on the list of coaches for this team with any kind of HC experience. At least last year we had Williams. In some other years we had guys like Al Saunders and the like to take over if necessary. And bringing someone in from the outside as an interim HC? NOT feasible imo.
I'm not a fan of firing a head coach midway through the season, it almost never works out well.
According to the Broncos depth chart, there's only 2 QB's listed on the 53 man roster. . .
https://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart
I'm not a fan of firing a head coach midway through the season, it almost never works out well.
According to the Broncos depth chart, there's only 2 QB's listed on the 53 man roster. . .
https://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart
Wow, the Browns have no excuses if they can't shut down that sorry crew.
Only guy I've heard of that's playing is Lindsay.
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The way we been playing I don't see us beating anybody. 3 plays 3 turnovers? Also how many of or wr have caught a TD pass this season? 1 that is it. the other 4 have been to TE. OBJ has not shown any signs of greatness and Jarvis is like a shell of what he was last season. Callaway not the same player as a year ago and Higgins? Consider him GONE. Perriman was way better last year than any of the players we have now, Fells the TE we let go has put up decent numbers for a back up TE, Is Freddie to blame for the downfall? Maybe to some point but the players are not the same. They lost something in the offseason and need to find whatever that is and find it fast. we played 1 really good game and that was against the Ravens, The Jets game we should of won by more
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I think he is actually like 3rd string. Isn't Drew Lock 2d string...and he is hurt too?
Besides, if you got rid of Freddie, who would take over? Wilks? He was dumped after one year in AZ....and has his hands full getting this defense to play better. Monken? Is he any better/more experienced than Freddie?
I see no one on the list of coaches for this team with any kind of HC experience. At least last year we had Williams. In some other years we had guys like Al Saunders and the like to take over if necessary. And bringing someone in from the outside as an interim HC? NOT feasible imo.
I'm not a fan of firing a head coach midway through the season, it almost never works out well.
According to the Broncos depth chart, there's only 2 QB's listed on the 53 man roster. . .
https://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart
I'm not a fan of firing a head coach midway through the season, it almost never works out well.
According to the Broncos depth chart, there's only 2 QB's listed on the 53 man roster. . .
https://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart
OK, I see that Drew Locke is actually on injured reserve. I did not hear about that.
And Flacco could end up on injured reserve with that herniated disk in his neck.....which could even jeopardize his career:
Rookie Brett Rypien is also on their PS....so he may have to be activated.
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And check out Allen PFR site.........it shows that he apparently has not yet thrown a pass in the NFL.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleBr00.htm
Which, of course, means that he will give the Browns all kinds of trouble.
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