Next man up

Tour2ma

Coming off an 11-5 season... and a Wild Card win... in '95 we were 4-5 when The Move was officially announced (rumors had surfaced earlier) and all the energy was drained out of the franchise.

Anyone who thinks Bill failed in CLE is channeling their inner Modell...

Jump, Gip... JUMP!

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Coming off an 11-5 season... and a Wild Card win... in '95 we were 4-5 when The Move was officially announced (rumors had surfaced earlier) and all the energy was drained out of the franchise.

Anyone who thinks Bill failed in CLE is channeling their inner Modell...

Jump, Gip... JUMP!

All I can do is to go by the record. 4 out of 5 losing seasons. A 36-44 record. Those are just the facts.

Maybe you are so shell shocked by the poor records of the coaches we have had since then, that that looks like success to you.

Or maybe, I see, you are going by what "could have been".....IF Modell had not made his moves....IF the Browns franchise had not been put on hiatus...IF he and the team had still been here....he could have ultimately made this a winning, successful franchise. Or maybe you think that because he won one playoff game here, that alone made him a success here. Or maybe you are thinking that "well...he has been so successful elsewhere...he must have been good here.". What coulda/shoulda/woulda is all that is. Did Modell sabotage that future potential? Sure...I believe that....I said that. woulda/coulda/shoulda.... What was, however, is 36-44, 4 out of 5 losing seasons.

The Gipper

By the way, on McDaniels, the Browns FO is not squeamish over the fact that he is a BB disciple nor a retread, apparently:

/topic/55260

ATOM

@the-gipper said:

By the way, on McDaniels, the Browns FO is not squeamish over the fact that he is a BB disciple nor a retread, apparently:

/topic/55260

rather have Caldwell

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

Just find the next BB... somebody who knows what the F they’re doing.

The Gipper

@atom said:

rather have Caldwell

Jim Caldwell?

ATOM

@the-gipper said:

Jim Caldwell?

thats the guy hell he took the Lions to the playoffs twice also has a winning record as a head coach in the NFL

The Gipper

So....who are we talking to? From above, It seems:

Josh McDaniels

Robert Saleh

Greg Roman

Those sound good.

Who else?

Who NOT: Rivera....as he seems set to go with Redskins. Is there anyone else that it seems clear that the Browns FO is rejecting (not who you or I would reject).

ATOM

@the-gipper said:

why no Caldwell ? or lewis (who i really do not want)

ATOM

@the-gipper said:

So....who are we talking to? From above, It seems:

Josh McDaniels

Robert Saleh

Greg Roman

Those sound good.

Who else?

Who NOT: Rivera....as he seems set to go with Redskins. Is there anyone else that it seems clear that the Browns FO is rejecting (not who you or I would reject).

this needs its own thread

The Gipper

@atom said:

why no Caldwell ? or lewis (who i really do not want)

I didn't see where it had been announced that permission to interview him had been requested. Did I miss that? If so, certainly....put him on the list.

The Gipper

@atom said:

this needs its own thread

Its OK here, after all the OP linked a "potential candidates" list.

ATOM

@the-gipper said:

Its OK here, after all the OP linked a "potential candidates" list.

potential is fine here But a thread of coachs we will have interviews with needs it's own

The Gipper

@atom said:

potential is fine here But a thread of coachs we will have interviews with needs it's own

You have a keyboard, don't you?

ATOM

@the-gipper said:

You have a keyboard, don't you?

because as far as i know no team has granted us permission per are request

ATOM

Cleveland: Fired Freddie Kitchens on December 29. Requested permission to interview Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels. Requested permission to interview Ravens offensive coordinator Greg Roman. Requested permission to interview 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh. Plan to interview former Packers head coach Mike McCarthy, along with bringing Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski back again this year. from PFT also being reported that talks with Rivera and the skins have slowed

The Gipper

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/132705-shanahan-confirms-49ers-defensive-coordinator-robert-interview-browns/

Saleh to interview.

He looks "mixed race" which I assume means that his interview would comply with the Rooney Rule....if nothing else.

Or, actually, based on his name and appearance, he could be "middle eastern". He is from Dearborn Mich. which has a large population of mid-eastern descent.

I mean, I don't really care....it is the NFL with its Rooney rule that requires the inquiry into race/racial background.

DieHardBrownsFan

Hopefully he gets passed over.

Tour2ma

@atom said:

Cleveland: Fired Freddie Kitchens on December 29.

Requested permission to interview Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.

Requested permission to interview Ravens offensive coordinator Greg Roman.

Requested permission to interview 49ers defensive coordinator Robert Saleh.

Plan to interview former Packers head coach Mike McCarthy,

along with bringing Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski back again this year.

from PFT also being reported that talks with Rivera and the skins have slowed

Rappoport just said we have made 7 or 8 requests to talk to other teams staff... so missing a couple...

Can you say cast a wide net?

Tour2ma

Seems like we did this wide net thing back when Jimmah was cutting his NFL teeth (which we are still waiting to come in...).

And IIRC we ended up with Chud...

Meanwhile things seem to be dragging in DC to the delight of at least one columnist...

"... if you take that 15-1 season off Rivera’s ledger, he went 61-62-1 in seven-plus seasons in Carolina, with only two other winning seasons — all with the benefit of working for a stable organization with a franchise quarterback."

https://wtop.com/sports-columns/2019/12/column-redskins-already-blowing-clean-slate-with-rivera/

Awesome...