Don't Bet Against Quinn
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Aloysius said:
So the win/loss rubric may not be all that helpful. You'd be better off looking at Quinn's stats in games where he faced a lot of pressure, like the '06 opener against Georgia Tech. Or just ditching the college stats & judging him based on his play this year.ND faced a dual ground threat in GT's RB (Tashard Choice) & QB not to mention some bum of a NCAA receiver Calvin Johnson. GT ran all over the Irish that game. So what does Quinn do? Runs one in in the final moments of the half to knot it up.
The difference in those "intangibles" (that have become such a bad word for some reason) for me, as a fan, is that I've watched Quinn hate to lose. I have yet to see that from Derek Anderson. I hate to lose too.
ND faced a dual ground threat in GT's RB (Tashard Choice) & QB not to mention some bum of a NCAA receiver Calvin Johnson. GT ran all over the Irish that game. So what does Quinn do? Runs one in in the final moments of the half to knot it up.
The difference in those "intangibles" (that have become such a bad word for some reason) for me, as a fan, is that I've watched Quinn hate to lose. I have yet to see that from Derek Anderson. I hate to lose too.
Hmmmm... apparently you didn't watch DA lead a come from behind win, including the longest run from the line of scrimmage by a Brown that year, in his first NFL game. Add to that the other last minute drives he put together in a few games his first full season, I don't think he's a quitter at any rate.
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You do understand that both of those sentences apply to Quinn's tenure at Notre Dame, right?
Brady Quinn did get a new coach.
The second sentence stands. Nearly every lineman and several receivers Brady Quinn played behind his last two years got drafted, a free agent signing, or a strong sniff from the NFL within a year of his leaving Notre Dame. Several were on team rosters last year. DA had 1 lineman and two receivers that got NFL sniffs within a year of his leaving OSU. I looked it up last year.
Nearly every lineman and several receivers Brady Quinn played behind his last two years got drafted, a free agent signing, or a strong sniff from the NFL within a year of his leaving Notre Dame. Several were on team rosters last year. DA had 1 lineman and two receivers that got NFL sniffs within a year of his leaving OSU. I looked it up last year.
And tell me - which player is still on a roster, and who is starting? Carlson the TE?
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
ND faced a dual ground threat in GT's RB (Tashard Choice) & QB not to mention some bum of a NCAA receiver Calvin Johnson. GT ran all over the Irish that game. So what does Quinn do? Runs one in in the final moments of the half to knot it up.
The difference in those "intangibles" (that have become such a bad word for some reason) for me, as a fan, is that I've watched Quinn hate to lose. I have yet to see that from Derek Anderson. I hate to lose too.
Hmmmm... apparently you didn't watch DA lead a come from behind win, including the longest run from the line of scrimmage by a Brown that year, in his first NFL game. Add to that the other last minute drives he put together in a few games his first full season, I don't think he's a quitter at any rate.
Hmmmm... apparently you didn't watch DA lead a come from behind win..... I don't think he's a quitter at any rate.
He is not quitter, but damn if he doesn't make stupid ass mistakes.
He does come from behind so infrequently, and has just as many games where he blows it, that it is very hard to give him any more chances. If we didn't have an unknown in Quinn to take a look at, we'd be waiting for the chance that the rookie we just drafted would get in.
Why is it so hard to understand that some Browns fans are fed up with his boneheaded plays game after game.
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Nearly every lineman and several receivers Brady Quinn played behind his last two years got drafted, a free agent signing, or a strong sniff from the NFL within a year of his leaving Notre Dame. Several were on team rosters last year. DA had 1 lineman and two receivers that got NFL sniffs within a year of his leaving OSU. I looked it up last year.
And tell me - which player is still on a roster, and who is starting? Carlson the TE?
And tell me - which player is still on a roster, and who is starting? Carlson the TE?
We should revisit this again once the rosters are set in the fall. I'm thinking right off the top of my head that 2-3 Brady Quinn Notre Dame linemen were on NFL rosters last year. Not may college QBs outside of QBs from USC or Ohio State can say they played behind 2 or 3 linemen who were on NFL rosters later.
At any rate, why would them being on a roster this next season matter? For a lineman to get a sniff from the NFL, he's probably was considered to be a knotch above the average college lineman. Quinn was surrounded by a bunch of 'em, DA wasn't.
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Ryan Harris starts at right tackle for Denver. He played LT at Notre Dame, but he had a pretty bad senior year (he dropped from a 1st to a 3rd round prospect as a result).
I think he's the only one of BQ's college linemen starting in the league. As I recall, a couple o-linemen graduated after Quinn's junior year. That lack of continuity on the line affected Quinn's play during his senior year.
The same thing could happen to Sam Bradford this year.
EDIT: Scratch that. John Sullivan's expected to start for the Vikings this year.
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And tell me - which player is still on a roster, and who is starting? Carlson the TE?
We should revisit this again once the rosters are set in the fall. I'm thinking right off the top of my head that 2-3 Brady Quinn Notre Dame linemen were on NFL rosters last year. Not may college QBs outside of QBs from USC or Ohio State can say they played behind 2 or 3 linemen who were on NFL rosters later.
At any rate, why would them being on a roster this next season matter? For a lineman to get a sniff from the NFL, he's probably was considered to be a knotch above the average college lineman. Quinn was surrounded by a bunch of 'em, DA wasn't.
We should revisit this again once the rosters are set in the fall. I'm thinking right off the top of my head that 2-3 Brady Quinn Notre Dame linemen were on NFL rosters last year. Not may college QBs outside of QBs from USC or Ohio State can say they played behind 2 or 3 linemen who were on NFL rosters later.
At any rate, why would them being on a roster this next season matter? For a lineman to get a sniff from the NFL, he's probably was considered to be a knotch above the average college lineman. Quinn was surrounded by a bunch of 'em, DA wasn't.
LOL, really?
During his OSU career, DA had guys like Adam Koets, Kyle DeVann and Roy Schuening on the line... they are either in the NFL now or were at some point. He also had Stephen Jackson at RB and Mike Hass at WR during his tenure there.
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And tell me - which player is still on a roster, and who is starting? Carlson the TE?
We should revisit this again once the rosters are set in the fall. I'm thinking right off the top of my head that 2-3 Brady Quinn Notre Dame linemen were on NFL rosters last year. Not may college QBs outside of QBs from USC or Ohio State can say they played behind 2 or 3 linemen who were on NFL rosters later.
At any rate, why would them being on a roster this next season matter? For a lineman to get a sniff from the NFL, he's probably was considered to be a knotch above the average college lineman. Quinn was surrounded by a bunch of 'em, DA wasn't.
Not may college QBs outside of QBs from USC or Ohio State can say they played behind 2 or 3 linemen who were on NFL rosters later.
Quinn was surrounded by a bunch of 'em, DA wasn't.
WTF? So you're telling me Ohio State and USC have about 96 NFL lineman in the NFL today?
And the last statement - a bunch of them? Who are these mysterious lineman you think provided Quinn all this time to throw? Name them. And while you're at it, name me the starting WR and RB that played with him that are tearing up the NFL.
"I will not insult your intelligence by suggesting you really believe what you just said." William F Buckley -
@shepwrite said:
But many sportswriters have said Quinn's professionalism, work ethic, and "film rat" status are Peyton-esque.I read a lot and especially about Quinn. Many sportwriters? Really? Come on now man, Quinn and Manning in the same sentence doesn't sound like a H U G E reach? Maybe over-selling?
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We should revisit this again once the rosters are set in the fall. I'm thinking right off the top of my head that 2-3 Brady Quinn Notre Dame linemen were on NFL rosters last year. Not may college QBs outside of QBs from USC or Ohio State can say they played behind 2 or 3 linemen who were on NFL rosters later.
At any rate, why would them being on a roster this next season matter? For a lineman to get a sniff from the NFL, he's probably was considered to be a knotch above the average college lineman. Quinn was surrounded by a bunch of 'em, DA wasn't.
LOL, really?
During his OSU career, DA had guys like Adam Koets, Kyle DeVann and Roy Schuening on the line... they are either in the NFL now or were at some point. He also had Stephen Jackson at RB and Mike Hass at WR during his tenure there.
LOL, really?
During his OSU career, DA had guys like Adam Koets, Kyle DeVann and Roy Schuening on the line... they are either in the NFL now or were at some point.
not exactly.
Schuening never played with DA.
DeVan started 2 games as a freshman while DA was in school.
Anderson played Arizona 3 times and them by the scores of 38-3, 52-23, and 28-14 while he was in school. Hence AZ Clown chimes in with the Anti-DA talk on here.
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LOL, really?
During his OSU career, DA had guys like Adam Koets, Kyle DeVann and Roy Schuening on the line... they are either in the NFL now or were at some point.
not exactly.
Schuening never played with DA.
DeVan started 2 games as a freshman while DA was in school.
Anderson played Arizona 3 times and them by the scores of 38-3, 52-23, and 28-14 while he was in school. Hence AZ Clown chimes in with the Anti-DA talk on here.
not exactly.
Schuening never played with DA.
DeVan started 2 games as a freshman while DA was in school.
Anderson played Arizona 3 times and them by the scores of 38-3, 52-23, and 28-14 while he was in school. Hence AZ Clown chimes in with the Anti-DA talk on here.
Actually, I think Schuening did play with DA, but he was a true freshman. I hate to have to look up once again the juniors and seniors who later got NFL contracts or strong interest that Brady played behind, done it before.
Erickson had a habit of rarely recruiting big true offensive linemen. Most of his guys were either smaller athletic O linemen or highschool D linemen who made the switch to the O side once they got to OSU. I remember talk on the boards that Riley was amazed at the lack of depth on the line when he got here.
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not exactly.
Schuening never played with DA.
DeVan started 2 games as a freshman while DA was in school.
Anderson played Arizona 3 times and them by the scores of 38-3, 52-23, and 28-14 while he was in school. Hence AZ Clown chimes in with the Anti-DA talk on here.
Actually, I think Schuening did play with DA, but he was a true freshman. I hate to have to look up once again the juniors and seniors who later got NFL contracts or strong interest that Brady played behind, done it before.
Erickson had a habit of rarely recruiting big true offensive linemen. Most of his guys were either smaller athletic O linemen or highschool D linemen who made the switch to the O side once they got to OSU. I remember talk on the boards that Riley was amazed at the lack of depth on the line when he got here.
Actually, I think Schuening did play with DA, but he was a true freshman.
Schuening redshirted that year. They weren't ever in a game together.
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not exactly.
Schuening never played with DA.
DeVan started 2 games as a freshman while DA was in school.
Anderson played Arizona 3 times and them by the scores of 38-3, 52-23, and 28-14 while he was in school. Hence AZ Clown chimes in with the Anti-DA talk on here.
Actually, I think Schuening did play with DA, but he was a true freshman. I hate to have to look up once again the juniors and seniors who later got NFL contracts or strong interest that Brady played behind, done it before.
Erickson had a habit of rarely recruiting big true offensive linemen. Most of his guys were either smaller athletic O linemen or highschool D linemen who made the switch to the O side once they got to OSU. I remember talk on the boards that Riley was amazed at the lack of depth on the line when he got here.
I hate to have to look up once again the juniors and seniors who later got NFL contracts or strong interest that Brady played behind, done it before.
Quinn played with all these guys. He also played with guys like Ryan Grant of the Packers who wasn't drafted and also Jeff "the man responsible for Brady Quinn's career" Samardzija
2008 2 38 SEA John Carlson TE
2008 2 47 PHI Trevor Laws DT
2008 3 86 BAL Tom Zbikowski DB
2008 6 187 MIN John Sullivan C
2007 2 57 PHI Victor Abiamiri DE
2007 3 70 DEN Ryan Harris T
2007 5 166 JAX Derek Landri DT
2007 6 202 NWE Mike Richardson DB
2007 7 230 CIN Dan Santucci G
2007 7 253 CIN Nedu Ndukwe DB
2006 2 53 DAL Anthony Fasano TE
2006 3 90 TAM Maurice Stovall WR
2006 6 205 NWE Dan Stevenson G
2005 3 74 NYG Justin Tuck DE
2005 5 144 STL Jerome Collins TE
2004 2 43 DAL Julius Jones RB
2004 2 60 NOR Courtney Watson LB
2004 4 122 HOU Glenn Earl DB
2004 6 170 HOU Vontez Duff DB
2004 6 180 WAS Jim Molinaro T
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Zombo said:
They want bullets through the wind on a out pattern. And Manning delivers them again and again.
In a dome.
Just sayin'.
I have no idea who has the better arm, but if Quinn even comes close to being the QB Manning is, well, you know...
mz. said:
I have no idea who has the better arm, but if Quinn even comes close to being the QB Manning is, well, you know...I have an idea. His initials are P and M.
Now for the good news: Peyton had a 46.8 QB rating in CLE last year.
That's almost as bad as Quinn.
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mz. said:
I have no idea who has the better arm, but if Quinn even comes close to being the QB Manning is, well, you know...I have an idea. His initials are P and M.
Now for the good news: Peyton had a 46.8 QB rating in CLE last year.
That's almost as bad as Quinn.
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LOL, really?
During his OSU career, DA had guys like Adam Koets, Kyle DeVann and Roy Schuening on the line... they are either in the NFL now or were at some point.
not exactly.
Schuening never played with DA.
DeVan started 2 games as a freshman while DA was in school.
Anderson played Arizona 3 times and them by the scores of 38-3, 52-23, and 28-14 while he was in school. Hence AZ Clown chimes in with the Anti-DA talk on here.
not exactly.
Schuening never played with DA.
DeVan started 2 games as a freshman while DA was in school.
Anderson played Arizona 3 times and them by the scores of 38-3, 52-23, and 28-14 while he was in school. Hence AZ Clown chimes in with the Anti-DA talk on here.
What do the Arizona / Oregon State matchups have anyhing to do with this? N-O-T-H-I-N-G
Also, Schuening debuted in 2004 for Oregon State (2003 he was a redshirt), which was Anderson's last year. You should probably learn more about your own team before responding.
http://oregonstate.scout.com/a.z?s=182&...242306&pg=1
P.S - Arizona still leads the all-time series vs. OSU 20-11-1, so if you want to take cheap shots, give it another 10-20 years so you have a chance to catch up. OSU has dominated Arizona this past decade and still isn't within striking distance of evening that record up. Now the Wildcats aren't the ass end of the Pac-10 anymore so i dont see that happening any time soon
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Not may college QBs outside of QBs from USC or Ohio State can say they played behind 2 or 3 linemen who were on NFL rosters later.
Quinn was surrounded by a bunch of 'em, DA wasn't.
WTF? So you're telling me Ohio State and USC have about 96 NFL lineman in the NFL today?
And the last statement - a bunch of them? Who are these mysterious lineman you think provided Quinn all this time to throw? Name them. And while you're at it, name me the starting WR and RB that played with him that are tearing up the NFL.
WTF? So you're telling me Ohio State and USC have about 96 NFL lineman in the NFL today?
And the last statement - a bunch of them? Who are these mysterious lineman you think provided Quinn all this time to throw? Name them. And while you're at it, name me the starting WR and RB that played with him that are tearing up the NFL.
There are a very few teams, USC and Ohio State being among the most notable, that seem to send linemen to the NFL on a regular basis. I think you might be able to add LSU, maybe Michigan and a couple others (maybe even Notre Dame)
DA Played behind Adam Koets for a couple years, apparently also played behind a freshman (any time you are starting freshmen on the line, you've gotta wonder about depth) in Roy Scheuning. Go with Hass for a year as a primary receiver and a few years of Tim Euhus and that's about it for NFL sniffs out of OSU. Quinn played behind John Sullivan, Dan Stevenson, Ryan Harris and Dan Santucci, all of which were drafted, for a couple years or more each, also had tight ends Carson, Fasono and Collins drafted, and had an all-american receiver go baseball... And I'm not even going to bother looking up the free agent signings, gotta go to work in a few minutes. And... Darius Walker wasn't exactly a slouch for a running back.
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not exactly.
Schuening never played with DA.
DeVan started 2 games as a freshman while DA was in school.
Anderson played Arizona 3 times and them by the scores of 38-3, 52-23, and 28-14 while he was in school. Hence AZ Clown chimes in with the Anti-DA talk on here.
What do the Arizona / Oregon State matchups have anyhing to do with this? N-O-T-H-I-N-G
Also, Schuening debuted in 2004 for Oregon State (2003 he was a redshirt), which was Anderson's last year. You should probably learn more about your own team before responding.
http://oregonstate.scout.com/a.z?s=182&...242306&pg=1
P.S - Arizona still leads the all-time series vs. OSU 20-11-1, so if you want to take cheap shots, give it another 10-20 years so you have a chance to catch up. OSU has dominated Arizona this past decade and still isn't within striking distance of evening that record up. Now the Wildcats aren't the ass end of the Pac-10 anymore so i dont see that happening any time soon
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as I explained clearly, it has to do with your motivation RE: Anti DA
And you're right about Schuening. I was off a yr. Nice googling.
My motivation is to point out the idiocy and hypocrisy you bring to this board. You never respond to people who prove you wrong, and you selectively pick your arguments because you know if you respond to what most people say to you, you would look like a moron.
Yes, I google. It's called being resourceful, something that you aren’t (i.e. making statements like Schuening not playing with DA, and DA making the elite 11 twice, and DA being a five star recruit even though star ratings were not given out then, are just a couple of items of evidence I'll submit to prove my theory)
I would actually like to see the starting QB succeed whether it's Anderson or Quinn. You on the other hand, want Anderson to succeed and don't care about the rest of the team.
You're a hack.
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I hate to have to look up once again the juniors and seniors who later got NFL contracts or strong interest that Brady played behind, done it before.
Quinn played with all these guys. He also played with guys like Ryan Grant of the Packers who wasn't drafted and also Jeff "the man responsible for Brady Quinn's career" Samardzija
2008 2 38 SEA John Carlson TE
2008 2 47 PHI Trevor Laws DT
2008 3 86 BAL Tom Zbikowski DB
2008 6 187 MIN John Sullivan C
2007 2 57 PHI Victor Abiamiri DE
2007 3 70 DEN Ryan Harris T
2007 5 166 JAX Derek Landri DT
2007 6 202 NWE Mike Richardson DB
2007 7 230 CIN Dan Santucci G
2007 7 253 CIN Nedu Ndukwe DB
2006 2 53 DAL Anthony Fasano TE
2006 3 90 TAM Maurice Stovall WR
2006 6 205 NWE Dan Stevenson G
2005 3 74 NYG Justin Tuck DE
2005 5 144 STL Jerome Collins TE
2004 2 43 DAL Julius Jones RB
2004 2 60 NOR Courtney Watson LB
2004 4 122 HOU Glenn Earl DB
2004 6 170 HOU Vontez Duff DB
2004 6 180 WAS Jim Molinaro T
Well, this is what I get for reading before signing in....
Quinn played with all these guys. He also played with guys like Ryan Grant of the Packers who wasn't drafted and also Jeff "the man responsible for Brady Quinn's career" Samardzija
2008 2 38 SEA John Carlson TE
2008 2 47 PHI Trevor Laws DT
2008 3 86 BAL Tom Zbikowski DB
2008 6 187 MIN John Sullivan C
2007 2 57 PHI Victor Abiamiri DE
2007 3 70 DEN Ryan Harris T
2007 5 166 JAX Derek Landri DT
2007 6 202 NWE Mike Richardson DB
2007 7 230 CIN Dan Santucci G
2007 7 253 CIN Nedu Ndukwe DB
2006 2 53 DAL Anthony Fasano TE
2006 3 90 TAM Maurice Stovall WR
2006 6 205 NWE Dan Stevenson G
2005 3 74 NYG Justin Tuck DE
2005 5 144 STL Jerome Collins TE
2004 2 43 DAL Julius Jones RB
2004 2 60 NOR Courtney Watson LB
2004 4 122 HOU Glenn Earl DB
2004 6 170 HOU Vontez Duff DB
2004 6 180 WAS Jim Molinaro T
Outside of Justin Tuck, the only name on that list making any kind of highlight reel would be Chinedum Ndukwe (Brady's roommate all 4 years) - but that's only thanks to your boyfriend's performance in the game that cost us our playoff spot.
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