OBJ Continues to be OBJ
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Zombo said:
I can't believe the amount of Browns fans on here that think this is a big deal.
I've seen the videos, what am I missing? A 20-something acting the clown when his team wins the National Championship?
A security guard with thin skin?
and ...?
BTW, Jarvis Landry has a fractured vertebrae, and while Stefanski's offense is a perfect fit for Mayfield, he is still going to need his veteran WRs, so Beckham is going to be The Man until Landry is ready to go.
He may have been #26 when he played the year injured, but he has averaged well over 90 yards per game when healthy and has 48 TDs in 71 starts, and he is 27.
He isn't going anywhere, nor do we want him to.
Zombo
and it's an excellent deep draft for wr's. Nobody wants him to go anywhere - he's been a great teammate. But the current problem is, is it inevitable he hurts the Browns with his antics like he hurt LSU with his antics just after they won the National Championship?
He was also removed from the LSU band area for trying to get them to play some bad lyrics song... and the money controversy, and the butt slapping controversy, there are other controversies in his past.
He's a limit pusher for attention and negative drama. Good teammate, great player, but a headcase regardless. I think he craves his brand more than being the best football player.
Even during a game, he got negative attention from the NFL.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27577756/nfl-speaks-obj-wearing-watch
It's only a matter of time til he pushes the limits on the NFL's repetitive attention.
Some excellent viewpoints on OBJ's LSU Championship game behavior. Negative behavior, serious damage done - due to OBJ's selfabsorbed brand excesses. It must be fixed. Or, he's gone, imho.
Excellent discussions:
and it's an excellent deep draft for wr's.
Soon it's just going to be easier for you to list the positions in which this draft is not "excellent deep".
... yes it is.
Only if the restaurant is in a locker room full of kids who just won the Natty...
Today's society Nero....
Your kids are going to turn out just fine Nero.
You were quoting Neo, not Nero...
Get the name right next time, D Boe...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This is the last thing I am going to say on this topic.
For as long as I can remember, you don't put hands on an officer. YOU DON'T PUT HANDS ON AN OFFICER. Every time I've seen it in real life or on TV, nine times out 10 you are going to jail. Odell fucked up plain and simple. I don't want to hear about the circumstances, Odell fucked up.
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Zombo said:
Just a bunch of horseshit.
He's a good teammate and dedicated to being a better player.
Z
All reports were that he was good in the locker room and a positive guy to be around this season.
He's also someone who didn't seem to know where to line up many times, and would run routes that didn't exist.
He, IMO, is not the type of player who will help change the culture of the Browns into one that is a professional one.
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This is the last thing I am going to say on this topic.
For as long as I can remember, you don't put hands on an officer. YOU DON'T PUT HANDS ON AN OFFICER. Every time I've seen it in real life or on TV, nine times out 10 you are going to jail. Odell fucked up plain and simple. I don't want to hear about the circumstances, Odell fucked up.
This is the last thing I am going to say on this topic.
For as long as I can remember, you don't put hands on an officer. YOU DON'T PUT HANDS ON AN OFFICER. Every time I've seen it in real life or on TV, nine times out 10 you are going to jail. Odell fucked up plain and simple. I don't want to hear about the circumstances, Odell fucked up.
.......and it was recorded and went viral as the Cleveland Browns player OBJ and now it's everything OBJ and brings out the "what's wrong with the Cleveland Browns ?"
First it's what's wrong with Mayfield then the dumb-dumb Garrett, then it's the BROWNS fire another coach now that the season is over we carry over with OBJ being OBJ.
GO BROWNS, never a dull moment, baby !
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Zombo said:
Why are you saying officer?
He was a security guard.
Zombo
Many security guards are police officers that are moonlighting.
Not sure if this specific security guard is though.
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Zombo said:
It depends on the coach. Tomlin kept Antonio Brown in check for 8 fucking years. If Stef wants to win, he handle the personalities and be firm but treat them like adults.
Z
With the 2020 Browns 1. Discipline 2. Character better be dealt with unless they want to do more coaching searches.
Kitchens was everybody's buddy and it got away from him fast.
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Zombo said:
Why are you saying officer?
He was a security guard.
Zombo
Many security guards are police officers that are moonlighting.
Not sure if this specific security guard is though.
Many security guards are police officers that are moonlighting.
Not sure if this specific security guard is though.
Beat me to it. Many places where I live hire off duty and part time officers to moonlight as security. The video is too blurry, I was trying to read the patch on his uniform. Badge, gun, gun belt, handcuffs, radio, sure looks like a cop to me.
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Zombo said:
He's a security guard, and ya'll have lost your minds. There's guys playing who have beat their wives and abused their kids. Our goofy guy gets drunk when his team wins the National Championship and hands out money and snacks a security guard on the butt. Correct except he's the attention seeking and grabbing OBJ
He's a really good wide receiver. He was 26 in yardage and 28 in receptions, but he does have to share numbers with Landry.
It's going to be a long offseason. It already is, and the Draft isn't until late April.
Z
I just want to know what happens from here, does the FO and HC take back control of the 6-10 BROWNS and do things the right way?
Does OBJ just cool it for awhile and try to stay off of p.1 of the news and return as the most dangerous WR in the NFL ......or not?
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Zombo said:
Everyone keeps saying he was 26th or whatever. I assume Landry was higher? So we have two guys in the Top 32 ... isnt that good?
We have 99 problems, OBJ ass-slapping ain't one of them.
Z
For the record Landry was 10 in yards 18 in catches and that was with an early bad passing game and bad OL throughout. ALSO they have a great RB combo which is good.
OBJ still has more problems as a teammate besides ass slapping some dude. ABrown was a headcase but produced on the field OBJ needs to do that without disrupting the team goals, they sure pay him enough to say "yes sir" once in awhile and cool it.
Think they can go 8-8 next year? They'll need everyone on board to do that.
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Anthony Lima on 92.3 summed OBJ up (IMO) perfectly this morning... He isn't a horrible person, not at all.
With him, it's a "death by a thousand cuts" situation.
It's always going to be something with him. If it's not this, it will be that.
Winning football games isn't the #1 priority with him. It just isn't.
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From Terry Pluto......
Terry in his tactful way........
I’m not suggesting they address this question immediately. But they do need to deal with it before training camp opens in July:
What to do with Odell Beckham Jr.?
At his opening press conference, Stefanski delivered the terrific line of “Personality is welcome, production is required.”
Beckham delivers personality, especially an obsessive need to draw attention to himself. Then he wonders, “Why is everyone paying attention to me?”
The Browns will have to measure that against his possible production in 2020.
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and it's an excellent deep draft for wr's.
Soon it's just going to be easier for you to list the positions in which this draft is not "excellent deep".
... yes it is.
Only if the restaurant is in a locker room full of kids who just won the Natty...
Today's society Nero....
Your kids are going to turn out just fine Nero.
You were quoting Neo, not Nero...
Get the name right next time, D Boe...
Soon it's just going to be easier for you to list the positions in which this draft is not "excellent deep".
sorry, left off the "ly". How about "INCREDIBLY DEEP" at wr? which, is only the second group I mentioned as being deep....
2020 NFL Draft: Ranking the Incredibly Deep Wide Receiver ...
https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/nfl-draft-receivers-ranked-2020-jerry-jeudy-ceedee...-
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Jerry Jeudy, Alabama. Jeudy is clearly the best receiver in this year's draft and probably the most …
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CeeDee Lamb, Oklahoma. Lamb is the draft's best big-play threat and would fit well on any team …
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Henry Ruggs III, Alabama. Ruggs is one of the fastest players I've ever watched on film. He's got …
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Tee Higgins, Clemson. Higgins' stock has dropped a bit this season, but he's a big target at 6-foot-4 …
How about "special" ???The NFL’s 2020 Wide Receiver Class Already Looks Special
https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/9/27/20886362/2020-nfl-draft-wide-receiver-class
Sep 27, 2019 · The NFL’s 2020 Wide Receiver Class Already Looks Special Headlined by Jerry Jeudy and a number of other first-round talents, this class of pass catchers is poised to define April’s draft.
or, Tour, maybe I should have used the word "loaded"
2020 NFL Draft: Previewing wide receiver class full of ...
https://nflspinzone.com/2019/06/08/nfl-draft-2020-wide-receiver-stars-preview
After a 2019 NFL Draft that was absent of an unquestioned, elite pass catcher, the 2020 NFL Draft is loaded with viable early Round 1 wide receiver targets. With the 2019 NFL Draft now completed, it is time to turn all draft pundits’ attention to a glimpse of what the 2020 NFL Draft …
well, crap, Tour, I could have used "HISTORIC" but that might have upset ya?
The 2020 WR Class Could Truly Be Historic | The Draft Network
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/the-2020-wr-class-could-truly-be-historicThere are more than a handful of wide receivers who are among the best in college football and aren't even draft eligible yet, and that lends towards us cheating and peaking into the distant future a bit. These are the names you likely already know who might make the 2020 wide receiver class the best we've seen since 2014.
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The 2020 NFL Draft has the potential to be a strong draft for offensive tackle talent, and Peart could be one of the players who strengthens the depth of the tackle class. The 6-foot-7, 303-pounder was a 4-year starter for the Huskies after redshirting to begin his collegiate career. Peart has experience at guard and tackle, so he could be a valuable sixth offensive lineman to back up at a few spots to begin out his NFL career.
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You are welcome, Tour, glad to assist.
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This is the last thing I am going to say on this topic.
For as long as I can remember, you don't put hands on an officer. YOU DON'T PUT HANDS ON AN OFFICER. Every time I've seen it in real life or on TV, nine times out 10 you are going to jail. Odell fucked up plain and simple. I don't want to hear about the circumstances, Odell fucked up.
This is the last thing I am going to say on this topic.
For as long as I can remember, you don't put hands on an officer. YOU DON'T PUT HANDS ON AN OFFICER. Every time I've seen it in real life or on TV, nine times out 10 you are going to jail. Odell fucked up plain and simple. I don't want to hear about the circumstances, Odell fucked up.
OK, we agree. None of us really want to hear another word about this. So let's have everyone here abide by that by having them just STFU about it.
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Zombo said:
Just a bunch of horseshit.
He's a good teammate and dedicated to being a better player.
Z
All reports were that he was good in the locker room and a positive guy to be around this season.
He's also someone who didn't seem to know where to line up many times, and would run routes that didn't exist.
He, IMO, is not the type of player who will help change the culture of the Browns into one that is a professional one.
All reports were that he was good in the locker room and a positive guy to be around this season.
He's also someone who didn't seem to know where to line up many times, and would run routes that didn't exist.
He, IMO, is not the type of player who will help change the culture of the Browns into one that is a professional one.
The Freddie Factor.
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Zombo said:
It depends on the coach. Tomlin kept Antonio Brown in check for 8 fucking years. If Stef wants to win, he handle the personalities and be firm but treat them like adults.
Z
With the 2020 Browns 1. Discipline 2. Character better be dealt with unless they want to do more coaching searches.
Kitchens was everybody's buddy and it got away from him fast.
With the 2020 Browns 1. Discipline 2. Character better be dealt with unless they want to do more coaching searches.
Kitchens was everybody's buddy and it got away from him fast.
How do we discipline you then for making unsubstantiated jumps to conclusions. Should we judge how that reflects on your character?
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Zombo said:
Everyone keeps saying he was 26th or whatever. I assume Landry was higher? So we have two guys in the Top 32 ... isnt that good?
We have 99 problems, OBJ ass-slapping ain't one of them.
Z
For the record Landry was 10 in yards 18 in catches and that was with an early bad passing game and bad OL throughout. ALSO they have a great RB combo which is good.
OBJ still has more problems as a teammate besides ass slapping some dude. ABrown was a headcase but produced on the field OBJ needs to do that without disrupting the team goals, they sure pay him enough to say "yes sir" once in awhile and cool it.
Think they can go 8-8 next year? They'll need everyone on board to do that.
For the record Landry was 10 in yards 18 in catches and that was with an early bad passing game and bad OL throughout. ALSO they have a great RB combo which is good.
OBJ still has more problems as a teammate besides ass slapping some dude. ABrown was a headcase but produced on the field OBJ needs to do that without disrupting the team goals, they sure pay him enough to say "yes sir" once in awhile and cool it.
Think they can go 8-8 next year? They'll need everyone on board to do that.
Again, fucking total ignorance. Maybe it is my training as a lawyer and 30 years as a magistrate that tells me never to judge a situation before all the evidence has been presented. Yet, here you are again, prejudging a situation before ANY relevant evidence has even seen the light of day. ANY. Every other player in this entire league has has some minor scrape of some sort in their life....Yet you declare that the team will not perform well with him on it in the ensuing fall football season that starts in September because of a butt slap that happened on January 13. That is the height of absurdity.
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With the 2020 Browns 1. Discipline 2. Character better be dealt with unless they want to do more coaching searches.
Kitchens was everybody's buddy and it got away from him fast.
How do we discipline you then for making unsubstantiated jumps to conclusions. Should we judge how that reflects on your character?
How do we discipline you then for making unsubstantiated jumps to conclusions. Should we judge how that reflects on your character?
Unsubstantiated? Might be problem #1 discipline on that 6-10 team or didn't you watch the games?
Then let's read someone who is considered an expert in Cleveland sports, Terry Pluto.... https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/01/scribbling-about-kevin-stefanskis-biggest-challenges-as-browns-coach-fixing-baker-mayfield-and-discipline.html
Scribbling about Kevin Stefanski’s biggest challenges: Fixing Baker Mayfield and discipline
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND! -
Anthony Lima on 92.3 summed OBJ up (IMO) perfectly this morning... He isn't a horrible person, not at all.
With him, it's a "death by a thousand cuts" situation.
It's always going to be something with him. If it's not this, it will be that.
Winning football games isn't the #1 priority with him. It just isn't.
Anthony Lima on 92.3 summed OBJ up (IMO) perfectly this morning... He isn't a horrible person, not at all.
With him, it's a "death by a thousand cuts" situation.
It's always going to be something with him. If it's not this, it will be that.
Winning football games isn't the #1 priority with him. It just isn't.
That pretty much sums it up. OBJ's #1 priority is OBJ. And Stefanski must address that before it gets warm in Berea again.
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For the record Landry was 10 in yards 18 in catches and that was with an early bad passing game and bad OL throughout. ALSO they have a great RB combo which is good.
OBJ still has more problems as a teammate besides ass slapping some dude. ABrown was a headcase but produced on the field OBJ needs to do that without disrupting the team goals, they sure pay him enough to say "yes sir" once in awhile and cool it.
Think they can go 8-8 next year? They'll need everyone on board to do that.
Again, fucking total ignorance. Maybe it is my training as a lawyer and 30 years as a magistrate that tells me never to judge a situation before all the evidence has been presented. Yet, here you are again, prejudging a situation before ANY relevant evidence has even seen the light of day. ANY. Every other player in this entire league has has some minor scrape of some sort in their life....Yet you declare that the team will not perform well with him on it in the ensuing fall football season that starts in September because of a butt slap that happened on January 13. That is the height of absurdity.
Again, fucking total ignorance. Maybe it is my training as a lawyer and 30 years as a magistrate that tells me never to judge a situation before all the evidence has been presented. Yet, here you are again, prejudging a situation before ANY relevant evidence has even seen the light of day. ANY. Every other player in this entire league has has some minor scrape of some sort in their life....Yet you declare that the team will not perform well with him on it in the ensuing fall football season that starts in September because of a butt slap that happened on January 13. That is the height of absurdity.
You sure don't write or act like any lawyer or elected judge I've ever met and I've met plenty. Just sayin'.....
.........and I'm judging that 100% by what you put up here on the board just like everyone else here on the board. And to think I used to think you were a good wordsmith and then you revert to the 6th grade bathroom grammar mixed in with your night court bravado. And I thought you were better than that -or-are you just "breaking balls" again? It's hard to tell them apart at times. Oh well......
GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
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