The 2020 Free Agency Thread...
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te ricky seals-jones is going to sign with the chiefs as of several hours ago.
crap.
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te ricky seals-jones is going to sign with the chiefs as of several hours ago.
crap.
One more weapon for Mahomes to find. Damn I wish we had kept him.
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However will we replace his 14 catches?
Oh wait...
Hooper...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
However will we replace his 14 catches?
Oh wait...
Hooper...
Hopefully it was a non tight end centered offensive scheme at the heart of the problem. Would be nice to see that change.
WSS
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Could be Steve...
... but then I'm not sure what the "center" of our Offense was last season.
Did we have one?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Could be Steve...
... but then I'm not sure what the "center" of our Offense was last season.
Did we have one?
Could be Steve...
... but then I'm not sure what the "center" of our Offense was last season.
Did we have one?
It was centered on the same thing Hue's was centered on...................fucked up play calling inside the opponent's 10.?
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Could be Steve...
... but then I'm not sure what the "center" of our Offense was last season.
Did we have one?
Could be Steve...
... but then I'm not sure what the "center" of our Offense was last season.
Did we have one?
Tretter?
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Rams Traded WR Brandin Cooks and a 4th rounder to Houston for a 2nd
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Rams Traded WR Brandin Cooks and a 4th rounder to Houston for a 2nd
Bill O is going all in on a season that might not happen...
HOU is now down to a 3rd,
2-a 4ths, a 5th and 3-7ths...EDIT: scratch one of the above 4ths... the one the Rams gave up is a 2022 pick.
For a pretty good WR Cooks sure has been traded a lot... looks like a cap casualty this time.
Brandin Cooks Traded To Houston For 2nd Round Pick
In another move to free up much-needed cap space, the Los Angeles Rams traded Brandin Cooks to the Texans. The Rams will receive the 57th overall pick in this years draft, and the Texans will also get a 2022 fourth-round pick.
In 2018, the Rams acquired Cooks from the New England Patriots in exchange for a first-round pick. They then signed him to a five-year, $81 million contract before the season. His impact was immediately felt and Cooks played a central role in LA’s road to the Super Bowl. In 2018, he set career bests in yards (1,204) and catches (80). Cooks saw a decline in production in 2019, he caught the fewest passes in his career (42) and fewest yards (583) since his rookie season.
The Rams have had to make some drastic moves when it comes to creating cap space. A harsh reality that has come to a head this off season. The Rams declined to make offers to Dante Fowler and Cory Littleton. They also cut Todd Gurley and Clay Matthews. Creating the space has left the depth chart looking like swiss cheese, but it is a brutal step in the right direction as they find themselves $541,000 over the cap, according to spotrac.com
https://www.lafbnetwork.com/brandin-cooks-traded-to-houston-for-draft-pick/
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Rams payroll in 2020 and 2021 includes the following dead money:
Todd Gurley 20.15 M // Brandin Cooks 21.8M
Whoever is managing their cap.... shouldn't be.
Yes, it was a good job to dump Cooks -- but the problem was signing the deals with these players in the first place.
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Rams payroll in 2020 and 2021 includes the following dead money:
Todd Gurley 20.15 M // Brandin Cooks 21.8M
Whoever is managing their cap.... shouldn't be.
Yes, it was a good job to dump Cooks -- but the problem was signing the deals with these players in the first place.
Rams payroll in 2020 and 2021 includes the following dead money:
Todd Gurley 20.15 M // Brandin Cooks 21.8M
Whoever is managing their cap.... shouldn't be.
Yes, it was a good job to dump Cooks -- but the problem was signing the deals with these players in the first place.
And see the Survey.....they are not paying Gurley the money they owe him.
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Here are the comings and goings of Browns in Free Agency:
Joe Schobert ILB 26 CLE JAC 5 $53,750,000 $10,750,000 $21,500,000 $21,500,000 $5,400,000 2 yr / $22,500,000
Jack Conklin RT 26 TEN CLE 3 $42,000,000 $14,000,000 $30,000,000 $30,000,000 $8,000,000 2 yr / $30,000,000 Austin Hooper TE 25 ATL CLE 4 $42,000,000 $10,500,000 $23,000,000 $18,500,000 $4,000,000 3 yr / $32,500,000 Eric Murray FS 26 CLE HOU 3 $18,000,000 $6,000,000 $10,750,000 $10,750,000 $4,390,625 2 yr / $12,640,625 Case Keenum QB 32 WAS CLE 3 $18,000,000 $6,000,000 $10,000,000 $8,000,000 $2,833,333 2 yr / $11,500,000 Christian Kirksey ILB 28 CLE GB 2 $13,000,000 $6,500,000 $4,000,000 $4,000,000 $5,000,000 1 yr / $6,125,000 Juston Burris S 27 CLE CAR 2 $8,000,000 $4,000,000 $2,100,000 $2,100,000 $2,958,429 1 yr / $4,008,429 Adrian Clayborn DE 32 ATL CLE 2 $5,750,000 $2,875,000 - - - Andrew Billings DT 24 CIN CLE 1 $3,500,000 $3,500,000 $3,500,000 $3,500,000 $3,500,000 Kevin Johnson CB 28 BUF CLE 1 $3,500,000 $3,500,000 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 $3,500,000 Karl Joseph SS 26 LVR CLE 1 $2,500,000 $2,500,000 $500,000 $500,000 $281,250 B.J. Goodson ILB 27 GB CLE 1 $2,400,000 $2,400,000 $2,250,000 $2,250,000 $2,390,625 Andrew Sendejo SS 32 MIN CLE 1 $2,250,000 $2,250,000 $2,000,000 $2,000,000 $2,234,375 Demetrius Harris TE 29 CLE CHI 1 $1,650,000 $1,650,000 $500,000 $500,000 $1,650,000 Damarious Randall FS 28 CLE LVR 1 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 $1,500,000 Justin McCray G 28 CLE ATL 1 $1,075,000 $1,075,000 $350,000 $350,000 $1,075,000 Travis Carrie CB 30 CLE IND 1 $1,047,500 $1,047,500 $400,000 $400,000 $887,500 Eric Kush G 30 CLE LVR 1 $1,047,500 $1,047,500 $137,500 $137,500 $887,500 Jojo Natson WR 26 LAR CLE 1 $1,000,000 $1,000,000 - - $956,250 Ricky Seals-Jones TE 25 CLE KC 1 $925,000 $925,000 $150,000 $150,000 $925,000 Evan Brown C 23 MIA CLE 1 $750,000 $750,000 - - $750,000 Donovan Olumba CB 24 DAL CLE 1 $610,000 $610,000 - - $610,000 Greg Robinson LT 27 CLE TBD - Morgan Burnett SS 31 CLE TBD - Drew Stanton QB 36 CLE TBD - Adarius Taylor ILB 29 CLE TBD - Rashard Higgins WR 25 CLE TBD - Bryan Cox Jr. DE 26 CLE TBD How will any of this affect the Browns Draft?
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Following up on above:
A. We lost 2 TEs: Harris and Seal-Jones. Got Hooper back. Still have Njoku, Pharoah, Carlson......I think we are in good shape here...no draft priority.
B. ILB: Lost Schobert and Kirksey...and probably Adarious Taylor. Got back BJ Goodson. Still have Takitaki, and maybe Mack Wilson some. Still a major area of need IMO
C. Safeties: Lost: Murray/Burris/Randall/and Burnett. Replaced them so far with Karl Joseph and Sandejo. Still have Redwine. Still an area of significant need IMO
D. Offensive Guard: Lost McCray/Kush. No FA pickups. Still have starters Bito/Teller and Drew Forbes. Definite need for depth if not one starter.
E. Offensive Tackle: Lost Robinson. Picked up Conklin. Still have Hubbard. Absolute area of need even with Conklin on board, probably #1
F. Quarterback: No losses....well Drew Stanton if you want to count him. Picked up Keenum. Still have Baker/Gilbert. NO need here.
G. Running back . NO losses. Still have Chubb/Hunt (re-signed)/Hilliard/Johnson. See NO need here.
H. Center. NO losses. Picked up Evan Brown for backup. Still have Tretter. See NO need here.
I. Wide Receiver. Higgins status up in air. May lose. Picked up JoJo Natson, listed as WR, but to be ST/PR. We still have OBJ/Landry and a half dozen other backups.. of undetermined value. Seems a minor area of need.
J. Defensive Tackle. NO losses. Picked up Andrew Billings for backup. Have Ogunjobi/Richardson as starters, and Eli Ankou backup plus a few others. Maybe could use a guy, but a minor priority.
K. Defensive Ends. Looks like we lose Brian Cox Jr. Picked up Andrew Clayborn. Still have Garrett, Olivier, Chad Thomas. Clayborn over Cox should be a net gain, so it seems like we are good...but it may not hurt to get someone.
L. OLBs. Did not lose anyone here, but our OLBs now are listed as Willie Harvey and Mack Wilson. Backups are no names like Jermaine Grace/Trevon Young. Definite area of need IMO.
M. Special Teams.....no major losses. We picked up a guy named Tavierre Thomas who is listed as top KR...and Natson is supposed to be PR (though he is not listed there on depth chart). We have Kicker/Punter/Holder/Long Snapper well in hand. Punt and Kick returner? There is Natson/Thomas...and there are guys on the depth chart (Landry listed as our #1 PR). We could certainly use someone...be it a guy already on the roster/draft/FA?
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Following up on above:
A. We lost 2 TEs: Harris and Seal-Jones. Got Hooper back. Still have Njoku, Pharoah, Carlson......I think we are in good shape here...no draft priority.
We pick up Harrison Bryant in the Draft
B. ILB: Lost Schobert and Kirksey...and probably Adarious Taylor. Got back BJ Goodson. Still have Takitaki, and maybe Mack Wilson some. Still a major area of need IMO
We pick up Jacob Phillips in the Draft
C. Safeties: Lost: Murray/Burris/Randall/and Burnett. Replaced them so far with Karl Joseph and Sandejo. Still have Redwine. Still an area of significant need IMO
We pick up Grant Delpit in the draft
D. Offensive Guard: Lost McCray/Kush. No FA pickups. Still have starters Bito/Teller and Drew Forbes. Definite need for depth if not one starter.
We pick up Nick Harris....maybe in draft
E. Offensive Tackle: Lost Robinson. Picked up Conklin. Still have Hubbard. Absolute area of need even with Conklin on board, probably #1
We pick up Jedrick Wills in round one in draft.
F. Quarterback: No losses....well Drew Stanton if you want to count him. Picked up Keenum. Still have Baker/Gilbert. NO need here.
NO pick
G. Running back . NO losses. Still have Chubb/Hunt (re-signed)/Hilliard/Johnson. See NO need here.
NO pick
H. Center. NO losses. Picked up Evan Brown for backup. Still have Tretter. See NO need here.
Nick Harris also plays here...backup
I. Wide Receiver. Higgins status up in air. May lose. Picked up JoJo Natson, listed as WR, but to be ST/PR. We still have OBJ/Landry and a half dozen other backups.. of undetermined value. Seems a minor area of need.
Picked up Donovan Peoples-Jones in draft.
J. Defensive Tackle. NO losses. Picked up Andrew Billings for backup. Have Ogunjobi/Richardson as starters, and Eli Ankou backup plus a few others. Maybe could use a guy, but a minor priority.
We pick up Jordan Elliot
K. Defensive Ends. Looks like we lose Brian Cox Jr. Picked up Andrew Clayborn. Still have Garrett, Olivier, Chad Thomas. Clayborn over Cox should be a net gain, so it seems like we are good...but it may not hurt to get someone.
NOT addressed.
L. OLBs. Did not lose anyone here, but our OLBs now are listed as Willie Harvey and Mack Wilson. Backups are no names like Jermaine Grace/Trevon Young. Definite area of need IMO.
NOT addressed
M. Special Teams.....no major losses. We picked up a guy named Tavierre Thomas who is listed as top KR...and Natson is supposed to be PR (though he is not listed there on depth chart). We have Kicker/Punter/Holder/Long Snapper well in hand. Punt and Kick returner? There is Natson/Thomas...and there are guys on the depth chart (Landry listed as our #1 PR). We could certainly use someone...be it a guy already on the roster/draft/FA?
Peoples-Jones has Punt return experience and skills.
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So.....after our Draft....(and UDFA pickup..but won't count all that)
Where do the Browns still need to supplement their roster/depth chart with Veteran Free Agents.
They did NOT address the "Edge" Position: DE/OLB.
There are some guys still out there, veteran FAs. Should they go after someone for the Edge (Clowney/Matthews)....or a WR (Higgins)
.....or any other position, or anyone else you think we should pursue?
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So.....after our Draft....(and UDFA pickup..but won't count all that)
Where do the Browns still need to supplement their roster/depth chart with Veteran Free Agents.
They did NOT address the "Edge" Position: DE/OLB.
There are some guys still out there, veteran FAs. Should they go after someone for the Edge (Clowney/Matthews)....or a WR (Higgins)
.....or any other position, or anyone else you think we should pursue?
So.....after our Draft....(and UDFA pickup..but won't count all that)
Where do the Browns still need to supplement their roster/depth chart with Veteran Free Agents.
They did NOT address the "Edge" Position: DE/OLB.
There are some guys still out there, veteran FAs. Should they go after someone for the Edge (Clowney/Matthews)....or a WR (Higgins)
.....or any other position, or anyone else you think we should pursue?
Veteran LB.
Clowney for Vernon.Sign Hollywood.
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So.....after our Draft....(and UDFA pickup..but won't count all that)
Where do the Browns still need to supplement their roster/depth chart with Veteran Free Agents.
They did NOT address the "Edge" Position: DE/OLB.
There are some guys still out there, veteran FAs. Should they go after someone for the Edge (Clowney/Matthews)....or a WR (Higgins)
.....or any other position, or anyone else you think we should pursue?
Veteran LB.
Clowney for Vernon.Sign Hollywood.
Sign Hollywood.
That guy is like a Cheerio floating in the milk....a Cheerio with no iron in it, so it's attracted to nothing. (worst thing that could've happened to him was this receiver heavy draft) Perhaps his agent will call the Browns and beg them to let him back on the team.
- We didn't address the Edge position....but we DID sign Clayborn.
I'm just hoping that the Center we drafted can play RG at least until it's time for Tretter to retire.
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Sign Hollywood.
That guy is like a Cheerio floating in the milk....a Cheerio with no iron in it, so it's attracted to nothing. (worst thing that could've happened to him was this receiver heavy draft) Perhaps his agent will call the Browns and beg them to let him back on the team.
- We didn't address the Edge position....but we DID sign Clayborn.
I'm just hoping that the Center we drafted can play RG at least until it's time for Tretter to retire.
That guy is like a Cheerio floating in the milk....a Cheerio with no iron in it, so it's attracted to nothing. (worst thing that could've happened to him was this receiver heavy draft) Perhaps his agent will call the Browns and beg them to let him back on the team.
- We didn't address the Edge position....but we DID sign Clayborn.
I'm just hoping that the Center we drafted can play RG at least until it's time for Tretter to retire.
A. Do you think Clayton is all we would need on the edge? I do not, not really. Not disparaging him...just saying....more is better.
B. We have Teller and Forbes also as RG.....do you think Nick Harris would be better than those two?
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That guy is like a Cheerio floating in the milk....a Cheerio with no iron in it, so it's attracted to nothing. (worst thing that could've happened to him was this receiver heavy draft) Perhaps his agent will call the Browns and beg them to let him back on the team.
- We didn't address the Edge position....but we DID sign Clayborn.
I'm just hoping that the Center we drafted can play RG at least until it's time for Tretter to retire.
A. Do you think Clayton is all we would need on the edge? I do not, not really. Not disparaging him...just saying....more is better.
B. We have Teller and Forbes also as RG.....do you think Nick Harris would be better than those two?
A. Do you think Clayton is all we would need on the edge? I do not, not really. Not disparaging him...just saying....more is better.
B. We have Teller and Forbes also as RG.....do you think Nick Harris would be better than those two?
A) - I did not think Clayton is all the help we would get from the edge. But so far, that's how it stands.
b) - I don't think that it should be too hard to beat out our guys...unless Forbes can prove me wrong. And I don't think we drafted a Center just to play center (or, not play at all because Tretter is the guy who'll play center). He would at least have to backup the Guard position.
The OLine takes a while to gel...and we might have 3 new pieces. I hope they get enough time to work together before live games are being played.
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