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  • S SdBacker80

    @tiamat63 said:

    Homeless guy didn't have the scouting department.

    The same Fiesta bowl where Texas scored 3 points in the entire 1st half?   If anything, that was the first defense to make Colt look human.

    Although I was good with him being picked in the 3rd round.  I really feel the injury cost him quite a bit in terms of NFL production.  Despite not being the biggest QB, Colt had a pretty live arm at Texas.   Was never the same in Cleveland.

    He had 414 passing yards against a D with guys like Jenkins Laurinaitis Heyward.  Impressive game winning drive too

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #33

    @sdbacker80 said:

    He had 414 passing yards against a D with guys like Jenkins Laurinaitis Heyward.  Impressive game winning drive too

    Feint praise:   he actually did better in a Browns uniform than  did Brady Quinn.

    Passing

     
    Johnny
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
    Career       15 8 2-6-0 147 258 57.0 1675 7 2.7 7 2.7 78 61 6.5 5.8 11.4 111.7 74.4   22 167 5.39 4.76 7.9     5
    2014 22 CLE qb 2 5 2 0-2-0 18 35 51.4 175 0 0.0 2 5.7 6 32 5.0 2.4 9.7 35.0 42.0 7.3 3 26 3.92 1.55 7.9     1
    2015 23 CLE qb 2 10 6 2-4-0 129 223 57.8 1500 7 3.1 5 2.2 72 61 6.7 6.3 11.6 150.0 79.4 54.1 19 141 5.62 5.26 7.9     4

    Passing.....Quinn.....Just look at the Cleveland numbers

    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
    Career       24 20 4-16-0 296 550 53.8 3043 12 2.2 17 3.1 148 59 5.5 4.6 10.3 126.8 64.4   41 236 4.75 3.86 6.9 1 2 2
    3 yrs CLE     14 12 3-9-0 184 353 52.1 1902 10 2.8 9 2.5 99 59 5.4 4.8 10.3 135.9 66.8   20 113 4.80 4.25 5.4 1 2 3
    1 yr KAN     10 8 1-7-0 112 197 56.9 1141 2 1.0 8 4.1 49 57 5.8 4.2 10.2 114.1 60.1   21 123 4.67 3.20 9.6     -1
    2007 23 CLE   10 1 0   3 8 37.5 45 0 0.0 0 0.0 3 18 5.6 5.6 15.0 45.0 56.8 67.0 0 0 5.63 5.63 0.0     0
    2008 24 CLE   10 3 3 1-2-0 45 89 50.6 518 2 2.2 2 2.2 24 42 5.8 5.3 11.5 172.7 66.6 46.5 1 9 5.66 5.10 1.1 1 1 1
    2009 25 CLE QB 10 10 9 2-7-0 136 256 53.1 1339 8 3.1 7 2.7 72 59 5.2 4.6 9.8 133.9 67.2 42.7 19 104 4.49 3.93 6.9 0 1 2
    2012 28 KAN qb 9 10 8 1-7-0 112 197 56.9 1141 2 1.0 8 4.1 49 57 5.8 4.2 10.2 114.1 60.1 26.0 21 123 4.67 3.20 9.6     -1
    1 comeback, 2 game-winning drives - full summary
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @sdbacker80 said:

    He had 414 passing yards against a D with guys like Jenkins Laurinaitis Heyward.  Impressive game winning drive too

    Feint praise:   he actually did better in a Browns uniform than  did Brady Quinn.

    Passing

     
    Johnny
    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
    Career       15 8 2-6-0 147 258 57.0 1675 7 2.7 7 2.7 78 61 6.5 5.8 11.4 111.7 74.4   22 167 5.39 4.76 7.9     5
    2014 22 CLE qb 2 5 2 0-2-0 18 35 51.4 175 0 0.0 2 5.7 6 32 5.0 2.4 9.7 35.0 42.0 7.3 3 26 3.92 1.55 7.9     1
    2015 23 CLE qb 2 10 6 2-4-0 129 223 57.8 1500 7 3.1 5 2.2 72 61 6.7 6.3 11.6 150.0 79.4 54.1 19 141 5.62 5.26 7.9     4

    Passing.....Quinn.....Just look at the Cleveland numbers

    Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV
    Career       24 20 4-16-0 296 550 53.8 3043 12 2.2 17 3.1 148 59 5.5 4.6 10.3 126.8 64.4   41 236 4.75 3.86 6.9 1 2 2
    3 yrs CLE     14 12 3-9-0 184 353 52.1 1902 10 2.8 9 2.5 99 59 5.4 4.8 10.3 135.9 66.8   20 113 4.80 4.25 5.4 1 2 3
    1 yr KAN     10 8 1-7-0 112 197 56.9 1141 2 1.0 8 4.1 49 57 5.8 4.2 10.2 114.1 60.1   21 123 4.67 3.20 9.6     -1
    2007 23 CLE   10 1 0   3 8 37.5 45 0 0.0 0 0.0 3 18 5.6 5.6 15.0 45.0 56.8 67.0 0 0 5.63 5.63 0.0     0
    2008 24 CLE   10 3 3 1-2-0 45 89 50.6 518 2 2.2 2 2.2 24 42 5.8 5.3 11.5 172.7 66.6 46.5 1 9 5.66 5.10 1.1 1 1 1
    2009 25 CLE QB 10 10 9 2-7-0 136 256 53.1 1339 8 3.1 7 2.7 72 59 5.2 4.6 9.8 133.9 67.2 42.7 19 104 4.49 3.93 6.9 0 1 2
    2012 28 KAN qb 9 10 8 1-7-0 112 197 56.9 1141 2 1.0 8 4.1 49 57 5.8 4.2 10.2 114.1 60.1 26.0 21 123 4.67 3.20 9.6     -1
    1 comeback, 2 game-winning drives - full summary
    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #34

    @the-gipper said:

    Feint praise:   he actually did better in a Browns uniform than  did Brady Quinn.

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    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Not on the forums but I remember that day...

    Yea....fucking hell....so do I.  We have a 17 pt. lead on the road vs Shittstown.    Butch goes into motherfucking prevent defense in the middle of the 3rd qtr.....giving those Spermsuckers momentum.  (Foge Fazio...RIP...our DC was livid about that).  Still, if Northcutt hadn't committed  "The Drop"  ....every bit as bad in my mind as The Fumble.....worse actually, because at least with Byner the fumble was caused by a good defensive play....here, it was just an out and out Drop.  If not for The Drop,  we still win that game. 

    Go to the 15:30 mark about:

    CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on
    #35

    @the-gipper said:

    Yea....fucking hell....so do I.  We have a 17 pt. lead on the road vs Shittstown.    Butch goes into motherfucking prevent defense in the middle of the 3rd qtr.....giving those Spermsuckers momentum.  (Foge Fazio...RIP...our DC was livid about that).  Still, if Northcutt hadn't committed  "The Drop"  ....every bit as bad in my mind as The Fumble.....worse actually, because at least with Byner the fumble was caused by a good defensive play....here, it was just an out and out Drop.  If not for The Drop,  we still win that game. 

    Go to the 15:30 mark about:

    Man that game was choked, hard. The possession before that Northcutt drop, 3rd and 3, and Holcomb throws a duck 20 yards downfield. Just get the first down and keep the chains moving ...
    At the end, that last ditch attempt to get out of bounds and give Phil Dawson a chance to tie bothers me.. we all know he would’ve made it.

  • nickersN nickers wrote on
    #36

    It's never good to dwell on failed investments.. Move on...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #37

    ab10d83fff36d183d24181e8a8463f01--deep-t

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    😂
  • S SdBacker80

    @tiamat63 said:

    Homeless guy didn't have the scouting department.

    The same Fiesta bowl where Texas scored 3 points in the entire 1st half?   If anything, that was the first defense to make Colt look human.

    Although I was good with him being picked in the 3rd round.  I really feel the injury cost him quite a bit in terms of NFL production.  Despite not being the biggest QB, Colt had a pretty live arm at Texas.   Was never the same in Cleveland.

    He had 414 passing yards against a D with guys like Jenkins Laurinaitis Heyward.  Impressive game winning drive too

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #38

    @sdbacker80 said:

    He had 414 passing yards against a D with guys like Jenkins Laurinaitis Heyward.  Impressive game winning drive too

    Christ, I'd hope so.  Pretty sure he threw the ball like 60 times that game.    

    Even though I remember Obbanaya (spell check) being a capable back, he never got many touches.     Side note - Colt not winning the Heisman that year was a crime.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @sdbacker80 said:

    He had 414 passing yards against a D with guys like Jenkins Laurinaitis Heyward.  Impressive game winning drive too

    Christ, I'd hope so.  Pretty sure he threw the ball like 60 times that game.    

    Even though I remember Obbanaya (spell check) being a capable back, he never got many touches.     Side note - Colt not winning the Heisman that year was a crime.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #39

    @tiamat63 said:

      Side note - Colt not winning the Heisman that year was a crime.

    And yet who ended up with the better NFL career??

    All I remember about Colt's last college game was wimping out against Bama in the 1st Q of NC game.

    Dutch OvenD tiamat63T 2 Replies
  • T TexasAg1969

    @tiamat63 said:

      Side note - Colt not winning the Heisman that year was a crime.

    And yet who ended up with the better NFL career??

    All I remember about Colt's last college game was wimping out against Bama in the 1st Q of NC game.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #40

    @texasag1969 said:

    And yet who ended up with the better NFL career??

    All I remember about Colt's last college game was wimping out against Bama in the 1st Q of NC game.

    Didn't he severely separate his throwing shoulder?

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @texasag1969 said:

    And yet who ended up with the better NFL career??

    All I remember about Colt's last college game was wimping out against Bama in the 1st Q of NC game.

    Didn't he severely separate his throwing shoulder?

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #41

    @dutch-oven said:

    Didn't he severely separate his throwing shoulder?

    Didn't turn out so severe after all. More like his daddy told the coach he was not going back in. Didn't want to risk an NFL career over a "maybe" injury.

    EDIT: Looked it up. "Pinched nerve" a.k.a. stinger.

  • T TexasAg1969

    @dutch-oven said:

    Didn't he severely separate his throwing shoulder?

    Didn't turn out so severe after all. More like his daddy told the coach he was not going back in. Didn't want to risk an NFL career over a "maybe" injury.

    EDIT: Looked it up. "Pinched nerve" a.k.a. stinger.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on
    #42

    @texasag1969 said:

    Didn't turn out so severe after all. More like his daddy told the coach he was not going back in. Didn't want to risk an NFL career over a "maybe" injury.

    EDIT: Looked it up. "Pinched nerve" a.k.a. stinger.

    I thought this was the injury that affected his throwing for years? Or did he get hurt with the Browns and I'm forgetting it? 

    (Browns years some times feel like dog years... ten Browns seasons ago seem like 40) 

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven

    @texasag1969 said:

    Didn't turn out so severe after all. More like his daddy told the coach he was not going back in. Didn't want to risk an NFL career over a "maybe" injury.

    EDIT: Looked it up. "Pinched nerve" a.k.a. stinger.

    I thought this was the injury that affected his throwing for years? Or did he get hurt with the Browns and I'm forgetting it? 

    (Browns years some times feel like dog years... ten Browns seasons ago seem like 40) 

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #43

    @dutch-oven said:

    I thought this was the injury that affected his throwing for years? Or did he get hurt with the Browns and I'm forgetting it? 

    (Browns years some times feel like dog years... ten Browns seasons ago seem like 40) 

    He started the 6th game on for the Browns his rookie season after the 1st & 2nd stringers were injured. They had wanted to develop him more instead of playing him that year.

  • T TexasAg1969

    @tiamat63 said:

      Side note - Colt not winning the Heisman that year was a crime.

    And yet who ended up with the better NFL career??

    All I remember about Colt's last college game was wimping out against Bama in the 1st Q of NC game.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #44

    @texasag1969 said:

    And yet who ended up with the better NFL career??

    All I remember about Colt's last college game was wimping out against Bama in the 1st Q of NC game.

    I mean, Colt is still in the league and Bradford isn't.  So.......

    Edit: as for "whimping out".  I had something similar happen to me once.  Fullback caught me from the side on a lead, got under my pad and basically put his helmet square on my shoulder.   I still don't know how i stayed on my feet and helped in the scrum. But my arm started tingling then burning almost immediately.  About 20 minutes later I could barely make a fist.   Had little grip strength for a few days after that. 

    I'm lucky it was a 230lb fullback and not a 310lb Marcel Dareus.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @texasag1969 said:

    And yet who ended up with the better NFL career??

    All I remember about Colt's last college game was wimping out against Bama in the 1st Q of NC game.

    I mean, Colt is still in the league and Bradford isn't.  So.......

    Edit: as for "whimping out".  I had something similar happen to me once.  Fullback caught me from the side on a lead, got under my pad and basically put his helmet square on my shoulder.   I still don't know how i stayed on my feet and helped in the scrum. But my arm started tingling then burning almost immediately.  About 20 minutes later I could barely make a fist.   Had little grip strength for a few days after that. 

    I'm lucky it was a 230lb fullback and not a 310lb Marcel Dareus.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #45

    @tiamat63 said:

    I mean, Colt is still in the league and Bradford isn't.  So.......

    So Ingram is still in the league with a better career. I was thinking about 2009, Colt's Senior year.

  • T TexasAg1969

    @tiamat63 said:

    I mean, Colt is still in the league and Bradford isn't.  So.......

    So Ingram is still in the league with a better career. I was thinking about 2009, Colt's Senior year.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #46

    @texasag1969 said:

    So Ingram is still in the league with a better career. I was thinking about 2009, Colt's Senior year.

    Neat.  McCoy should have won it in 08.

    Toby Geheart should have in 09. But Bama apparently "needed" their 1st Heisman winner.

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @texasag1969 said:

    So Ingram is still in the league with a better career. I was thinking about 2009, Colt's Senior year.

    Neat.  McCoy should have won it in 08.

    Toby Geheart should have in 09. But Bama apparently "needed" their 1st Heisman winner.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #47

    @tiamat63 said:

    Neat.  McCoy should have won it in 08.

    Toby Geheart should have in 09. But Bama apparently "needed" their 1st Heisman winner.

    And he's proved it out over an excellent career.?

  • T TexasAg1969

    @tiamat63 said:

    Neat.  McCoy should have won it in 08.

    Toby Geheart should have in 09. But Bama apparently "needed" their 1st Heisman winner.

    And he's proved it out over an excellent career.?

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #48

    @texasag1969 said:

    And he's proved it out over an excellent career.?

    By this logic 1/2 of your schools Heisman winners should hand back in their statue. Because Manti Te'o is still playing and starting on occasion, while Johnny Hate crime is probably out sucking dick for his fix.

    Stick to the poli board, your own line of thinking was too easy to use against you.   Also, just a reminder, A&M is the useful idiot cousin of SEC schools.  You're a convenient program for them and little more.   So please, spare me your pimping of Bama's trophy winners.  They are at least a historically relavent program.

    T The GipperT 2 Replies
  • Canton MikeC Canton Mike

    @orion said:

    Lets see what 'The Patriot Way' looks like without Tom.

    Count me as one who thinks the Patriots will NOT suck without Brady.

    Mike

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on
    #49

    @canton-mike said:

    Count me as one who thinks the Patriots will NOT suck without Brady.

    Mike

    Didn't NE go 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB in 2008 when Brady blew out his knee in the opener?  The last time Cleveland won 11 regular season games we had Vinny Testaverde starting at QB.   The thing both of these teams had in common was their Head Coach (Bill Belichick).  

    I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
    The GipperT 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @texasag1969 said:

    And he's proved it out over an excellent career.?

    By this logic 1/2 of your schools Heisman winners should hand back in their statue. Because Manti Te'o is still playing and starting on occasion, while Johnny Hate crime is probably out sucking dick for his fix.

    Stick to the poli board, your own line of thinking was too easy to use against you.   Also, just a reminder, A&M is the useful idiot cousin of SEC schools.  You're a convenient program for them and little more.   So please, spare me your pimping of Bama's trophy winners.  They are at least a historically relavent program.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #50

    @tiamat63 said:

    By this logic 1/2 of your schools Heisman winners should hand back in their statue. Because Manti Te'o is still playing and starting on occasion, while Johnny Hate crime is probably out sucking dick for his fix.

    Stick to the poli board, your own line of thinking was too easy to use against you.   Also, just a reminder, A&M is the useful idiot cousin of SEC schools.  You're a convenient program for them and little more.   So please, spare me your pimping of Bama's trophy winners.  They are at least a historically relavent program.

    Where did that come from? I've had no problem saying JFF was a miserable failure, so there really isn't any logic to use against me. I'll stop molesting your cat though.?

    tiamat63T 1 Reply
  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @texasag1969 said:

    And he's proved it out over an excellent career.?

    By this logic 1/2 of your schools Heisman winners should hand back in their statue. Because Manti Te'o is still playing and starting on occasion, while Johnny Hate crime is probably out sucking dick for his fix.

    Stick to the poli board, your own line of thinking was too easy to use against you.   Also, just a reminder, A&M is the useful idiot cousin of SEC schools.  You're a convenient program for them and little more.   So please, spare me your pimping of Bama's trophy winners.  They are at least a historically relavent program.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #51

    @tiamat63 said:

    By this logic 1/2 of your schools Heisman winners should hand back in their statue. Because Manti Te'o is still playing and starting on occasion, while Johnny Hate crime is probably out sucking dick for his fix.

    Stick to the poli board, your own line of thinking was too easy to use against you.   Also, just a reminder, A&M is the useful idiot cousin of SEC schools.  You're a convenient program for them and little more.   So please, spare me your pimping of Bama's trophy winners.  They are at least a historically relavent program.

    Maybe Bama should have had a couple of Heisman winners that were not:   Namath....but John Huarte won it his senior year.  1967...Stabler,  but  Gary Beban won  (but to be honest...Stabler did not have a great senior year....one of the reasons he dropped to 2d rounder)

  • FlugelF Flugel

    @canton-mike said:

    Count me as one who thinks the Patriots will NOT suck without Brady.

    Mike

    Didn't NE go 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB in 2008 when Brady blew out his knee in the opener?  The last time Cleveland won 11 regular season games we had Vinny Testaverde starting at QB.   The thing both of these teams had in common was their Head Coach (Bill Belichick).  

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on
    #52

    @flugel said:

    Didn't NE go 11-5 with Matt Cassel at QB in 2008 when Brady blew out his knee in the opener?  The last time Cleveland won 11 regular season games we had Vinny Testaverde starting at QB.   The thing both of these teams had in common was their Head Coach (Bill Belichick).  

    But he also went 5-11 with Drew Bledsoe at QB,  And in addition to  the year with 11 wins with Vinny, he also had 2 seasons with losing records with Vinny and others at QB. 

    I have always said:   Yes, BB is a good enough HC to have his team's make the occasional playoffs......but without Tom Brady....he has more losing seasons than winning seasons.  In fact, it is:   2 winning seasons  (1 making playoffs)   5 losing seasons  without Brady....  -0- losing seasons with him as his starter.

    Just the facts ma'am.

    But now we shall see going forward.  

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