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  • @icecube said:

    I don't buy the "whole new system" thing.

    I do.

    It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire.  Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces.  They have to learn how to work together.

    Too much newness to expect great things.  I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype.   ---  i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem.  Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough.  After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field.

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    @orion said:

    I do.

    It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire.  Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces.  They have to learn how to work together.

    Too much newness to expect great things.  I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype.   ---  i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem.  Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough.  After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field.

    There are a limited amount of routes ran, they mostly all run the same routes. An 8 route is an 8 route. It's the terminology that changes. 

    And on D, how many times have you seen a D improve dramatically in the very 1st year of a new system? A lot. 

  • @orion said:

    I do.

    It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire.  Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces.  They have to learn how to work together.

    Too much newness to expect great things.  I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype.   ---  i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem.  Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough.  After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field.

    There are a limited amount of routes ran, they mostly all run the same routes. An 8 route is an 8 route. It's the terminology that changes. 

    And on D, how many times have you seen a D improve dramatically in the very 1st year of a new system? A lot. 

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    @icecube said:

    There are a limited amount of routes ran, they mostly all run the same routes. An 8 route is an 8 route. It's the terminology that changes. 

    And on D, how many times have you seen a D improve dramatically in the very 1st year of a new system? A lot. 

    The Defense had the secondary out for half the year with hamstrings and then when they returned relatively healthy the best pass rusher in football was out.  Wilks for whatever reason was awful here too.

     I argued with some on here that our overall the effort didn’t look that great.  It looked like some guys were not talented enough or just flat out quit.  A New leader would certainly change that. 
     

    As far as attitude of don’t expect much from year to year.  We were are very underachieving 6 win team that could have very well met Just some not all expectations and been a 9-10 win team.   
     

    im far more pessimistic in some areas though than others.  I don’t expect Wills to just change sides as a rookie in the NFL At one of the toughest positions and have a good season. He’s gonna struggle at times and we will certainly hear we need a vet there at times.  

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    Biggest factor?

    Health...

  • @orion said:

    I do.

    It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire.  Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces.  They have to learn how to work together.

    Too much newness to expect great things.  I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype.   ---  i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem.  Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough.  After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field.

    There are a limited amount of routes ran, they mostly all run the same routes. An 8 route is an 8 route. It's the terminology that changes. 

    And on D, how many times have you seen a D improve dramatically in the very 1st year of a new system? A lot. 

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    @icecube said:

    There are a limited amount of routes ran,

    Yes there are...but there are routes that some offensive systems really don't run.

    We have the talent to be successful.  If the ducks line up nicely.

  • D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    Coaching 

  • ATOMA ATOM wrote on last edited by
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    chomps

  • @icecube said:

    I don't buy the "whole new system" thing.

    I do.

    It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire.  Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces.  They have to learn how to work together.

    Too much newness to expect great things.  I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype.   ---  i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem.  Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough.  After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field.

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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    @orion said:

    I do.

    It's not a big deal for the RBs...but timing between receivers and the QB on new routes takes time to acquire.  Not to mention our 1st round pick needing to learn a new position...and of course the OL having perhaps three new pieces.  They have to learn how to work together.

    Too much newness to expect great things.  I'm not drinking the kool-aid nor will I entertain hype.   ---  i think buying into the hype last year by the team was a major problem.  Guys were not working hard enough nor taking it seriously enough.  After all, they were gonna be in the super bowl without even stepping onto the field.

    That's what I'm worried about too. I think all the teams with new coaching staffs may be behind the 8 ball.

    Like others mentioned,  the defense is a concern. I'm glad Wilks is gone, that scheme sucked. But it may take time to gel 

  • B blitzz2 wrote on last edited by
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    OL Play, protect the cornerstone..

    LB, pretty thin there, guess we will see if Mack and Co step up. Hopefully after training camp cuts, there will be some unexpected LB cuts.

    Coaching. Freddie was way in over his head,  Stef. hopefully plants the foundation going forward.

  • @icecube said:

    There are a limited amount of routes ran,

    Yes there are...but there are routes that some offensive systems really don't run.

    We have the talent to be successful.  If the ducks line up nicely.

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    @orion said:

    Yes there are...but there are routes that some offensive systems really don't run.

    We have the talent to be successful.  If the ducks line up nicely.

    True. If there is an epiphany. Let Stef have a chance. Let him run it. 

  • tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    Scoring more than the other teams.

  • Biggest factor?

    Health...

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    @tour2ma said:

    Biggest factor?

    Health...

    That's a given, but other than injuries...

  • @tour2ma said:

    Biggest factor?

    Health...

    That's a given, but other than injuries...

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @icecube said:

    That's a given, but other than injuries...

    More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance.

    Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off.

  • @icecube said:

    That's a given, but other than injuries...

    More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance.

    Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off.

    I Icecube wrote on last edited by
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    @tour2ma said:

    More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance.

    Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off.

    Are many teams any different? 

  • ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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    Hold the other team to fewer points every game.

    I win the chicken dinner.

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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    If ya want a honest answer on what not* to do? Ask Nick Chubb 

  • @tour2ma said:

    More than a given in our case. It's of paramount importance.

    Save maybe QB and Safety we don't have the depth to lose any starter without a serious talent fall off.

    Are many teams any different? 

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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    @icecube said:

    Are many teams any different? 

    Have to define "many", but yes, more than a couple are very different.

  • Hold the other team to fewer points every game.

    I win the chicken dinner.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @ballpeen said:

    Hold the other team to fewer points every game.

    I win the chicken dinner.

    BUZZZZ  too late.   Other got their hand on that poultry before you.    But we will leave a couple of wings for you. 

  • htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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    Coaching.

    We all saw just how different the same talent performed with Hue compared to Greg.

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on last edited by
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    People seem to forget that this team is LOADED.  Not only that, but

    1. they fixed their biggest weakness by replacing the head coach, upgrading from Kitchens to Stefanski.
    2. They also fixed their second-biggest weakness by buffing the OL with Conklin and Wills.  
    3. Buried in all this good news is that they added the BEST TE in the league in Austin Hooper.  And that is critical to beating the Steelers because a dynamic pass-catching TE slows their pass rush a lot.

  • People seem to forget that this team is LOADED.  Not only that, but

    1. they fixed their biggest weakness by replacing the head coach, upgrading from Kitchens to Stefanski.
    2. They also fixed their second-biggest weakness by buffing the OL with Conklin and Wills.  
    3. Buried in all this good news is that they added the BEST TE in the league in Austin Hooper.  And that is critical to beating the Steelers because a dynamic pass-catching TE slows their pass rush a lot.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @kvoethe said:

    People seem to forget that this team is LOADED.

    Substitute "Starting lineup" for "team" and my point is remade. 🙂