Best NFL player by position, by P-5 conference
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Pardon Gippers buckeye homerism
... am a homer too, but JT was the best LT candidate I'd ever seen coming out of any college school.. Munoz a real close 2nd... two of THe Best
EDit--- Watch for this kid next season... LT Penei Sewell-- from Oregon.. a 6'6 munster, that gives up nothing
If you're choosing Ditka (Pitt) over Mackey, then that would make 3 players from Pittsburgh, over one (Warfield) from OSU, and we certainly won't want that.
Gip may regret he started this thread.
If you're choosing Ditka (Pitt) over Mackey, then that would make 3 players from Pittsburgh, over one (Warfield) from OSU, and we certainly won't want that.
Gip may regret he started this thread.
Not at all. I wanted this conversation thank you. Do you think that Woody will have the guts to take on the challenge I gave him? And I guess I didn't think about the fact that I picked 3 Pitt players...as many as OSU players (more if I drop Eddie George in favor of Franco)
Wait till we get to the Defense.
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Here is the defense:
Defensive Ends:
Big Ten: Carl Eller, Univ. of Minnesota
Pac-12: Terrelll Suggs Arizona St.
SEC: Reggie White Tennessee
ACC: Bruce Smith Va. Tech
Big 12: LeRoy Selmon, Oklahoma
Defensive Tackles:
Big Ten: Randy White, Maryland
Pac 12: Curly Culp AZ St.
SEC: Dan Hampton Arkansas
ACC: Warren Sapp Miami Fla
Big 12: Bob Lilley TCU
Outside Linebacker
Big Ten: Trying to choose between Andre Tippett (Iowa), Bobby Bell (Minn.) and Jack Ham (Penn St.
Pac 12: Clay Matthews II (our Clay Matthews) USC
SEC: Derrick Thomas Alabama
ACC: Lawrence Taylor NC
Big 12: Zack Thomas Texas Tech
Middle Linebacker:
Big Ten: Dick Butkus Illinois (over fellow Ill. grad Ray Nitschke)
Pac 12: Junior Seau USC
SEC: Larry Grantham (Ole Miss)......the SEC really has NOT produced great MLBs...I had to dig hard to find him.
ACC: Ray Lewis Miami Fla
Big 12: Mike Singletary Baylor
Cornerback:
Big 10: Rod Woodson Purdue (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.
Pac 12: Mike Haynes AZ St.
SEC: Champ BAiley Georgia
ACC: Deion Sanders FSU
Big 12: Aqib Talib Kansas
Safety:
Big Ten: Paul Krause Iowa
Pac 12: Ronnie Lott USC
SEC: Yale Lary Tex A&M
ACC: Ed Reed Miami
Big 12: Bobby Dillon Texas
Again, if you think I missed someone (highly possible) or if you think there could be someone better...let us know.
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OK, so, let's look at Eddie George and Francisco Franco side by side:
George:
9 years 2865 attempts 10,441 yards 68 TDs 3.6 yards per attempt 74.0 yards per game
Franco:
13 years 2949 attempts 12,120 yards 91 TDs 4.1 ypa 70.1 ypg
Sure, OK Franco has 4 SBs.....but I suggest that if Eddie were on those Steelers, he would have done as well or better.
Also....take note: Franco had 9505 yards after his 9th season....where George retired after 9 seasons with 10, 441. (of course longevity also counts). But then....George was obviously carrying the load far more than Franco...as he is less than 100 attempts short of Franco in those 4 fewer years.
(Franco and George ARE the top two RBs from the Big Ten in terms of straight rushing yards)
While you have to probably give the nod to Franco.....if you were asking me to draft one of them right now based on their talent coming out of college: I am choosing George.
Also...on the other hand, before too many years I believe it will all be superfluous as Ezekiel Elliot will overtake both of them.
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Derrick Thomas was great-no doubt. But I'd have put him in a tie with a guy still playing on a high level - Von Miller.
And who knows what Bo Jackson was going to be in the long run without that horrific injury. I think he is the greatest back I ever personally saw play the game. Emmit just
had the good fortune not to have that kind of injury early in his career.
BTW Syracuse was not ACC nor was A&M SEC when Brown and Miller went into the pros.
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Derrick Thomas was great-no doubt. But I'd have put him in a tie with a guy still playing on a high level - Von Miller.
And who knows what Bo Jackson was going to be in the long run without that horrific injury. I think he is the greatest back I ever personally saw play the game. Emmit just
had the good fortune not to have that kind of injury early in his career.
BTW Syracuse was not ACC nor was A&M SEC when Brown and Miller went into the pros.
Derrick Thomas was great-no doubt. But I'd have put him in a tie with a guy still playing on a high level - Von Miller.
Maybe when their careers are over...not now. Even then, it may still be a homer choice on your part.
And who knows what Bo Jackson was going to be in the long run without that horrific injury. I think he is the greatest back I ever personally saw play the game. Emmit just
had the good fortune not to have that kind of injury early in his career.
I understand, still, injury can be said to have curtailed a lot of careers....but I think for this I have to go with the longer careers (its why I still had Bobby Layne over Mahomes...though someday). Bo just didn't get the chance.
BTW Syracuse was not ACC nor was A&M SEC when Brown and Miller went into the pros.
I get that last point....it is why I said to select them under the current conference alignment. There has been so much shuffling of teams in and out of various conferences. Randy White's Maryland team did not play in the Big Ten. See the above discussion about Franco. Penn St. was not Big Ten at the time he played. The one A&M guy I did pick, Yale Lary, certainly did not play in the SEC.
Maybe YOU could do a "best of the Southwest Conference". A great conference, now defunct. I think there could have been some good choices for that: Dickerson RB for SMU....etc. You do that, and I will do the MAC, my school conference.
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Here is My Mid American Conf. All NFL team. It actually stacks up pretty darn well with the P-5 :
Offense:
Quarterback: Ben Roethlisberger, Miami, Oh (will be HOF
RB Kareem Hunt Toledo (alternate full career: Michael Turner No. Illinois)
WR: Antonio Brown Central Michigan (note, Marshall was in MAC when Randy Moss played...but is not now and I am just going by current lineup)
TE: Antonio Gates Kent St. (possible HOF?)
OT: Joe Staley Cent. Michigan
OC/C: Brandon Brooks Miami Oh. (currently active )
Defense:
DE: Jason Taylor, Akron HOF
DT: Andy Harmon Kent State
OLB: Khalil Mack Buffalo.....(on track for HOF?)
MLB: Jack Lambert Kent St. HOF
Safety: Emlen Tunnell Toledo HOF
Cornerback: Dwight Smith, Akron (2 Super Bowl Ints)
Special Teams: Josh Cribbs Kent St. (If they would reserve slots in HOF for ST players...Cribbs would be high on the list)
Utility: Julian Edelman Kent St.
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More "Data" points in this regard: Of the Top 12 NFL RBs that came out of the Big Ten...in terms of career production, half of them have been from Ohio St.:
1. Franco Penn St.
2. Eddie George Ohio St.
3. Ronnie Harmon Iowa (especially good receiving back)
4. Robert Smith Ohio St.
5. Keith Byars Ohio St.
6. Mike Pruitt Purdue
7. Leveon Bell, Michigan St.....active
8. Otis Armstrong Purdue
9. John Brockington, OSU
10. Pete Johnson OSU
11. Larry Johnson Penn St..
12. Ezekiel Elliott Ohio State....active
If you were to go down to the Top 20....3 more Buckeyes would be on the list: Ron Springs, Archie Griffin, Jim Otis
But, note....the source I used only counted players whose teams were in the Big Ten at the time they played for that team; ergo, if we count all RBs who ever played for current Big Ten teams even if they weren't in the Big Ten at the time, you would probably also get the likes of these players:
Lydell Mitchell PSU
Curt Warner PSU
Ray Rice Rutgers.
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Derrick Thomas was great-no doubt. But I'd have put him in a tie with a guy still playing on a high level - Von Miller.
Maybe when their careers are over...not now. Even then, it may still be a homer choice on your part.
And who knows what Bo Jackson was going to be in the long run without that horrific injury. I think he is the greatest back I ever personally saw play the game. Emmit just
had the good fortune not to have that kind of injury early in his career.
I understand, still, injury can be said to have curtailed a lot of careers....but I think for this I have to go with the longer careers (its why I still had Bobby Layne over Mahomes...though someday). Bo just didn't get the chance.
BTW Syracuse was not ACC nor was A&M SEC when Brown and Miller went into the pros.
I get that last point....it is why I said to select them under the current conference alignment. There has been so much shuffling of teams in and out of various conferences. Randy White's Maryland team did not play in the Big Ten. See the above discussion about Franco. Penn St. was not Big Ten at the time he played. The one A&M guy I did pick, Yale Lary, certainly did not play in the SEC.
Maybe YOU could do a "best of the Southwest Conference". A great conference, now defunct. I think there could have been some good choices for that: Dickerson RB for SMU....etc. You do that, and I will do the MAC, my school conference.
I get that last point....it is why I said to select them under the current conference alignment. There has been so much shuffling of teams in and out of various conferences. Randy White's Maryland team did not play in the Big Ten. See the above discussion about Franco. Penn St. was not Big Ten at the time he played. The one A&M guy I did pick, Yale Lary, certainly did not play in the SEC.
Maybe YOU could do a "best of the Southwest Conference". A great conference, now defunct. I think there could have been some good choices for that: Dickerson RB for SMU....etc. You do that, and I will do the MAC, my school conference.
It would be Dickerson vs Earl-two really great pros.
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More "Data" points in this regard: Of the Top 12 NFL RBs that came out of the Big Ten...in terms of career production, half of them have been from Ohio St.:
1. Franco Penn St.
2. Eddie George Ohio St.
3. Ronnie Harmon Iowa (especially good receiving back)
4. Robert Smith Ohio St.
5. Keith Byars Ohio St.
6. Mike Pruitt Purdue
7. Leveon Bell, Michigan St.....active
8. Otis Armstrong Purdue
9. John Brockington, OSU
10. Pete Johnson OSU
11. Larry Johnson Penn St..
12. Ezekiel Elliott Ohio State....active
If you were to go down to the Top 20....3 more Buckeyes would be on the list: Ron Springs, Archie Griffin, Jim Otis
But, note....the source I used only counted players whose teams were in the Big Ten at the time they played for that team; ergo, if we count all RBs who ever played for current Big Ten teams even if they weren't in the Big Ten at the time, you would probably also get the likes of these players:
Lydell Mitchell PSU
Curt Warner PSU
Ray Rice Rutgers.
More "Data" points in this regard: Of the Top 12 NFL RBs that came out of the Big Ten...in terms of career production, half of them have been from Ohio St.:
1. Franco Penn St.
2. Eddie George Ohio St.
3. Ronnie Harmon Iowa (especially good receiving back)
4. Robert Smith Ohio St.
5. Keith Byars Ohio St.
6. Mike Pruitt Purdue
7. Leveon Bell, Michigan St.....active
8. Otis Armstrong Purdue
9. John Brockington, OSU
10. Pete Johnson OSU
11. Larry Johnson Penn St.....active
12. Ezekiel Elliott Ohio State....active
If you were to go down to the Top 20....3 more Buckeyes would be on the list: Ron Springs, Archie Griffin, Jim Otis
But, note....the source I used only counted players whose teams were in the Big Ten at the time they played for that team; ergo, if we count all RBs who ever played for current Big Ten teams even if they weren't in the Big Ten at the time, you would probably also get the likes of these players:
Lydell Mitchell PSU
Curt Warner PSU
Ray Rice Rutgers.
Larry Johnson is active?
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More "Data" points in this regard: Of the Top 12 NFL RBs that came out of the Big Ten...in terms of career production, half of them have been from Ohio St.:
1. Franco Penn St.
2. Eddie George Ohio St.
3. Ronnie Harmon Iowa (especially good receiving back)
4. Robert Smith Ohio St.
5. Keith Byars Ohio St.
6. Mike Pruitt Purdue
7. Leveon Bell, Michigan St.....active
8. Otis Armstrong Purdue
9. John Brockington, OSU
10. Pete Johnson OSU
11. Larry Johnson Penn St.....active
12. Ezekiel Elliott Ohio State....active
If you were to go down to the Top 20....3 more Buckeyes would be on the list: Ron Springs, Archie Griffin, Jim Otis
But, note....the source I used only counted players whose teams were in the Big Ten at the time they played for that team; ergo, if we count all RBs who ever played for current Big Ten teams even if they weren't in the Big Ten at the time, you would probably also get the likes of these players:
Lydell Mitchell PSU
Curt Warner PSU
Ray Rice Rutgers.
Larry Johnson is active?
Larry Johnson is active?
Wait, Wasn't he the one that was just traded from the Cards to Houston in the Hopkins trade?
Let's check....I guess I am thinking of the wrong guy. David Johnson.
What the hell....who can tell one Johnson from another....Larry, Lyndon, David, Andrew,
Call a porn star...she can have a Johnson in each hand...and other places.
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I get that last point....it is why I said to select them under the current conference alignment. There has been so much shuffling of teams in and out of various conferences. Randy White's Maryland team did not play in the Big Ten. See the above discussion about Franco. Penn St. was not Big Ten at the time he played. The one A&M guy I did pick, Yale Lary, certainly did not play in the SEC.
Maybe YOU could do a "best of the Southwest Conference". A great conference, now defunct. I think there could have been some good choices for that: Dickerson RB for SMU....etc. You do that, and I will do the MAC, my school conference.
It would be Dickerson vs Earl-two really great pros.
It would be Dickerson vs Earl-two really great pros.
OK, you got the RBs....now give us your SW conf. best QB, WR/TE/OT/OG-C/DT/DE/MLB/OLB/S/CB.
Tommy Nobis? Was Baylor in the SWC?
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Here is My Mid American Conf. All NFL team. It actually stacks up pretty darn well with the P-5 :
Offense:
Quarterback: Ben Roethlisberger, Miami, Oh (will be HOF
RB Kareem Hunt Toledo (alternate full career: Michael Turner No. Illinois)
WR: Antonio Brown Central Michigan (note, Marshall was in MAC when Randy Moss played...but is not now and I am just going by current lineup)
TE: Antonio Gates Kent St. (possible HOF?)
OT: Joe Staley Cent. Michigan
OC/C: Brandon Brooks Miami Oh. (currently active )
Defense:
DE: Jason Taylor, Akron HOF
DT: Andy Harmon Kent State
OLB: Khalil Mack Buffalo.....(on track for HOF?)
MLB: Jack Lambert Kent St. HOF
Safety: Emlen Tunnell Toledo HOF
Cornerback: Dwight Smith, Akron (2 Super Bowl Ints)
Special Teams: Josh Cribbs Kent St. (If they would reserve slots in HOF for ST players...Cribbs would be high on the list)
Utility: Julian Edelman Kent St.
OT: Joe Staley Cent. Michigan .... OT Eric Fisher Cent. Mich.//// KC (central does know how to recruit some good back-2-back Tackles)
OC/C: Brandon Brooks Miami Oh. (currently active ) ... OG -TJ Lang Eastern Mich. ////GB
Defense:
OLB: Khalil Mack Buffalo.....(on track for HOF?) ... OLB- James Harrison ? Kent ST.// 5 PB's & 2 SB rings//// (could be jailed, in the bumble-bee 3rd jersey by now)
Cornerback: Dwight Smith, Akron (2 Super Bowl Ints) .... CB- Jimmy Ward N. Illinois// 49'ers
Good list Gip.... I could only find these MAC men^^ that might raise a small position debate...
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OT: Joe Staley Cent. Michigan .... OT Eric Fisher Cent. Mich.//// KC (central does know how to recruit some good back-2-back Tackles)
OC/C: Brandon Brooks Miami Oh. (currently active ) ... OG -TJ Lang Eastern Mich. ////GB
Defense:
OLB: Khalil Mack Buffalo.....(on track for HOF?) ... OLB- James Harrison ? Kent ST.// 5 PB's & 2 SB rings//// (could be jailed, in the bumble-bee 3rd jersey by now)
Cornerback: Dwight Smith, Akron (2 Super Bowl Ints) .... CB- Jimmy Ward N. Illinois// 49'ers
Good list Gip.... I could only find these MAC men^^ that might raise a small position debate...
Good list Gip.... I could only find these MAC men^^ that might raise a small position debate...
I know Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick....but hasn't he been kind of a bust? Staley was quite good.
I would not put Harrison over Mack...even ignoring Harrison's thuggery.
Not sure about Lang and Ward...not familiar with them.
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It would be Dickerson vs Earl-two really great pros.
OK, you got the RBs....now give us your SW conf. best QB, WR/TE/OT/OG-C/DT/DE/MLB/OLB/S/CB.
Tommy Nobis? Was Baylor in the SWC?
OK, you got the RBs....now give us your SW conf. best QB, WR/TE/OT/OG-C/DT/DE/MLB/OLB/S/CB.
Tommy Nobis? Was Baylor in the SWC?
Yes Baylor was SWC. I'll work on the rest tomorrow.
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Good list Gip.... I could only find these MAC men^^ that might raise a small position debate...
I know Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick....but hasn't he been kind of a bust? Staley was quite good.
I would not put Harrison over Mack...even ignoring Harrison's thuggery.
Not sure about Lang and Ward...not familiar with them.
I know Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick....but hasn't he been kind of a bust? Staley was quite good.
the Chiefs were 2-14 before hiring Dorsey. Andy Reid was already in house and JD & Reid decided trading for QB Alex Smith was better than drafting one.. Fisher may have come from a draft class of nfl average Joe's? #1 pick Eric Fisher even admits his early struggles in this link.. https://si.com/nfl/chiefs/news/eric-fisher-battled-test-super-bowl so let's not settle on thinking Jedrick Wills or Andrew Thomas will have it any easier.. It's not on them either, that training camps can't even open. Big-Trust in Bill Callahan
KC adding Mitchell Schwartz & upgrading the interior OL finished KC's land of QB toys.. I'd even say, Cam Erving got better OL coaching just to get to average. Than still got KC fired at SB ending not matching up to what's coming up behind him.. it's what good teams do...and Good Luck Dallas. Erving will be there to get Dak back up...
but Sure... I'd put Joe Staley ahead of Eric Fisher. either Joe Thomas level? NopE !!
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Heard something about this on the radio today. Thought I would put it to the test: Who is the best player at each position to come out of each Power 5 Conference (as currently constituted). Here is my list. Let us know if you have alternative thoughts:
Quarterbacks:
Big Ten: Tom Brady, Michigan
Pac 12: John Elway Stanford
SEC: Peyton Manning, Tennessee
ACC: Dan Marino, Pitt
Big 12: Bobby Layne Texas (but...some day Mahomes may take this)
Running Backs:
Big Ten: Eddie George Ohio St. (though...I may have to relent and name Franco Harris...convince me I am right)
Pac 12: OJ Simpson USC
SEC: Emmitt Smith Florida
ACC: Jim Brown Syracuse
Big 12: Barry Sanders OK St.
Wide Receivers:
Big Ten: Paul Warfield Ohio St (by a scoche over Cris Carter)
Pac 12: James Lofton Stanford
SEC: Lance Alworth Arkansas (Julio Jones though may take over before career ends)
ACC: Larry Fitzgerald Pitt
Big 12: Tommy McDonald OK
Tight Ends
Big Ten Charlie Sanders Minnesota
Pac 12: Tony Gonzales Cal
SEC: Ozzie Newsome Alabama
ACC: Could not decide between Mike Ditka Pitt and John Mackey Syracuse
Big 12: Keith Jackson OK
Offensive Tackle:
Big Ten: Orlando Pace Ohio St.
Pac 12: Anthony Munoz USC
SEC: Lomas Brown Florida
ACC: Walter Jones FSU
Big 12: Mike McCormack Kansas
OCs/OGs
Big Ten: Mike Webster Wisconsin
Pac 12: Bruce Matthews USC
SEC: John Hannah Alabama
Big 12: Russell Okung Oklahoma
Defense later.
Heard something about this on the radio today. Thought I would put it to the test: Who is the best player at each position to come out of each Power 5 Conference (as currently constituted). Here is my list. Let us know if you have alternative thoughts:
Quarterbacks:
Big Ten: Tom Brady, Michigan
Pac 12: John Elway Stanford
SEC: Peyton Manning, Tennessee
ACC: Dan Marino, Pitt
Big 12: Bobby Layne Texas (but...some day Mahomes may take this)
Running Backs:
Big Ten: Eddie George Ohio St. (though...I may have to relent and name Franco Harris...convince me I am right)
Pac 12: OJ Simpson USC
SEC: Emmitt Smith Florida
ACC: Jim Brown Syracuse
Big 12: Barry Sanders OK St.
Wide Receivers:
Big Ten: Paul Warfield Ohio St (by a scoche over Cris Carter)
Pac 12: James Lofton Stanford
SEC: Lance Alworth Arkansas (Julio Jones though may take over before career ends)
ACC: Larry Fitzgerald Pitt
Big 12: Tommy McDonald OK
Tight Ends
Big Ten Charlie Sanders Minnesota
Pac 12: Tony Gonzales Cal
SEC: Ozzie Newsome Alabama
ACC: Could not decide between Mike Ditka Pitt and John Mackey Syracuse
Big 12: Keith Jackson OK
Offensive Tackle:
Big Ten: Orlando Pace Ohio St.
Pac 12: Anthony Munoz USC
SEC: Lomas Brown Florida
ACC: Walter Jones FSU
Big 12: Mike McCormack Kansas
OCs/OGs
Big Ten: Mike Webster Wisconsin
Pac 12: Bruce Matthews USC
SEC: John Hannah Alabama
Big 12: Russell Okung Oklahoma
Defense later.
I might put Megatron over Fitz
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I know Eric Fisher was the #1 overall pick....but hasn't he been kind of a bust? Staley was quite good.
the Chiefs were 2-14 before hiring Dorsey. Andy Reid was already in house and JD & Reid decided trading for QB Alex Smith was better than drafting one.. Fisher may have come from a draft class of nfl average Joe's? #1 pick Eric Fisher even admits his early struggles in this link.. https://si.com/nfl/chiefs/news/eric-fisher-battled-test-super-bowl so let's not settle on thinking Jedrick Wills or Andrew Thomas will have it any easier.. It's not on them either, that training camps can't even open. Big-Trust in Bill Callahan
KC adding Mitchell Schwartz & upgrading the interior OL finished KC's land of QB toys.. I'd even say, Cam Erving got better OL coaching just to get to average. Than still got KC fired at SB ending not matching up to what's coming up behind him.. it's what good teams do...and Good Luck Dallas. Erving will be there to get Dak back up...
but Sure... I'd put Joe Staley ahead of Eric Fisher. either Joe Thomas level? NopE !!
the Chiefs were 2-14 before hiring Dorsey. Andy Reid was already in house and JD & Reid decided trading for QB Alex Smith was better than drafting one.. Fisher may have come from a draft class of nfl average Joe's? #1 pick Eric Fisher even admits his early struggles in this link.. https://si.com/nfl/chiefs/news/eric-fisher-battled-test-super-bowl so let's not settle on thinking Jedrick Wills or Andrew Thomas will have it any easier.. It's not on them either, that training camps can't even open. Big-Trust in Bill Callahan
KC adding Mitchell Schwartz & upgrading the interior OL finished KC's land of QB toys.. I'd even say, Cam Erving got better OL coaching just to get to average. Than still got KC fired at SB ending not matching up to what's coming up behind him.. it's what good teams do...and Good Luck Dallas. Erving will be there to get Dak back up...
but Sure... I'd put Joe Staley ahead of Eric Fisher. either Joe Thomas level? NopE !!
Well...the point there was just to say which OT was the best to come out of the MAC....not to compare them to players that came out of the Big Boys. Staley was pretty good, but sure, not up to like Pace/JT/Jim Parker/Munoz etc. level.
Though, I will say that I was unimpressed with the OTs that have come out of the SEC as when I was searching I thought it would be a piece of cake to find great OTs from that conference....but it was not. The best I could find was Lomas Brown....whom I highly disrespect...because he came to the Browns and just tanked and all he wanted was a paycheck. Nevertheless he was still the best I could come up with. I think Staley is at least on a par with him. (OGs/OCs were different....a number of great ones from SEC)
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Heard something about this on the radio today. Thought I would put it to the test: Who is the best player at each position to come out of each Power 5 Conference (as currently constituted). Here is my list. Let us know if you have alternative thoughts:
Quarterbacks:
Big Ten: Tom Brady, Michigan
Pac 12: John Elway Stanford
SEC: Peyton Manning, Tennessee
ACC: Dan Marino, Pitt
Big 12: Bobby Layne Texas (but...some day Mahomes may take this)
Running Backs:
Big Ten: Eddie George Ohio St. (though...I may have to relent and name Franco Harris...convince me I am right)
Pac 12: OJ Simpson USC
SEC: Emmitt Smith Florida
ACC: Jim Brown Syracuse
Big 12: Barry Sanders OK St.
Wide Receivers:
Big Ten: Paul Warfield Ohio St (by a scoche over Cris Carter)
Pac 12: James Lofton Stanford
SEC: Lance Alworth Arkansas (Julio Jones though may take over before career ends)
ACC: Larry Fitzgerald Pitt
Big 12: Tommy McDonald OK
Tight Ends
Big Ten Charlie Sanders Minnesota
Pac 12: Tony Gonzales Cal
SEC: Ozzie Newsome Alabama
ACC: Could not decide between Mike Ditka Pitt and John Mackey Syracuse
Big 12: Keith Jackson OK
Offensive Tackle:
Big Ten: Orlando Pace Ohio St.
Pac 12: Anthony Munoz USC
SEC: Lomas Brown Florida
ACC: Walter Jones FSU
Big 12: Mike McCormack Kansas
OCs/OGs
Big Ten: Mike Webster Wisconsin
Pac 12: Bruce Matthews USC
SEC: John Hannah Alabama
Big 12: Russell Okung Oklahoma
Defense later.
I might put Megatron over Fitz
I might put Megatron over Fitz
I debated those two in my mind....plus a couple of others from current ACC schools. Like Michael Irvin, Andre Johnson and others. As a whole I think the current ACC lineup has produced the best WRs. It was probably Fitzgerald's longevity that had me put him on top. I could roll with either.
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Here is the defense:
Defensive Ends:
Big Ten: Carl Eller, Univ. of Minnesota
Pac-12: Terrelll Suggs Arizona St.
SEC: Reggie White Tennessee
ACC: Bruce Smith Va. Tech
Big 12: LeRoy Selmon, Oklahoma
Defensive Tackles:
Big Ten: Randy White, Maryland
Pac 12: Curly Culp AZ St.
SEC: Dan Hampton Arkansas
ACC: Warren Sapp Miami Fla
Big 12: Bob Lilley TCU
Outside Linebacker
Big Ten: Trying to choose between Andre Tippett (Iowa), Bobby Bell (Minn.) and Jack Ham (Penn St.
Pac 12: Clay Matthews II (our Clay Matthews) USC
SEC: Derrick Thomas Alabama
ACC: Lawrence Taylor NC
Big 12: Zack Thomas Texas Tech
Middle Linebacker:
Big Ten: Dick Butkus Illinois (over fellow Ill. grad Ray Nitschke)
Pac 12: Junior Seau USC
SEC: Larry Grantham (Ole Miss)......the SEC really has NOT produced great MLBs...I had to dig hard to find him.
ACC: Ray Lewis Miami Fla
Big 12: Mike Singletary Baylor
Cornerback:
Big 10: Rod Woodson Purdue (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.
Pac 12: Mike Haynes AZ St.
SEC: Champ BAiley Georgia
ACC: Deion Sanders FSU
Big 12: Aqib Talib Kansas
Safety:
Big Ten: Paul Krause Iowa
Pac 12: Ronnie Lott USC
SEC: Yale Lary Tex A&M
ACC: Ed Reed Miami
Big 12: Bobby Dillon Texas
Again, if you think I missed someone (highly possible) or if you think there could be someone better...let us know.
Here is the defense:
Defensive Ends:
Big Ten: Carl Eller, Univ. of Minnesota
Pac-12: Terrelll Suggs Arizona St.
SEC: Reggie White Tennessee
ACC: Bruce Smith Va. Tech
Big 12: LeRoy Selmon, Oklahoma
Defensive Tackles:
Big Ten: Randy White, Maryland
Pac 12: Curly Culp AZ St.
SEC: Dan Hampton Arkansas
ACC: Warren Sapp Miami Fla
Big 12: Bob Lilley TCU
Outside Linebacker
Big Ten: Trying to choose between Andre Tippett (Iowa), Bobby Bell (Minn.) and Jack Ham (Penn St.
Pac 12: Clay Matthews II (our Clay Matthews) USC
SEC: Derrick Thomas Alabama
ACC: Lawrence Taylor NC
Big 12: Zack Thomas Texas Tech
Middle Linebacker:
Big Ten: Dick Butkus Illinois (over fellow Ill. grad Ray Nitschke)
Pac 12: Junior Seau USC
SEC: Larry Grantham (Ole Miss)......the SEC really has NOT produced great MLBs...I had to dig hard to find him.
ACC: Ray Lewis Miami Fla
Big 12: Mike Singletary Baylor
Cornerback:
Big 10: Rod Woodson Purdue (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.
Pac 12: Mike Haynes AZ St.
SEC: Champ BAiley Georgia
ACC: Deion Sanders FSU
Big 12: Aqib Talib Kansas
Safety:
Big Ten: Paul Krause Iowa
Pac 12: Ronnie Lott USC
SEC: Yale Lary Tex A&M
ACC: Ed Reed Miami
Big 12: Bobby Dillon Texas
Again, if you think I missed someone (highly possible) or if you think there could be someone better...let us know.
On my "Homerism" note.....not one OSU player taken. And the only guy that played for the Browns was Clay Matthews.
Can anyone name an OLB that came out of the Pac 12 that was better than Clay?
I can find one guy who is arguable: Lance Briggs OLB from Arizona. But, overall I think I will stick with Clay.
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Here is the defense:
Defensive Ends:
Big Ten: Carl Eller, Univ. of Minnesota
Pac-12: Terrelll Suggs Arizona St.
SEC: Reggie White Tennessee
ACC: Bruce Smith Va. Tech
Big 12: LeRoy Selmon, Oklahoma
Defensive Tackles:
Big Ten: Randy White, Maryland
Pac 12: Curly Culp AZ St.
SEC: Dan Hampton Arkansas
ACC: Warren Sapp Miami Fla
Big 12: Bob Lilley TCU
Outside Linebacker
Big Ten: Trying to choose between Andre Tippett (Iowa), Bobby Bell (Minn.) and Jack Ham (Penn St.
Pac 12: Clay Matthews II (our Clay Matthews) USC
SEC: Derrick Thomas Alabama
ACC: Lawrence Taylor NC
Big 12: Zack Thomas Texas Tech
Middle Linebacker:
Big Ten: Dick Butkus Illinois (over fellow Ill. grad Ray Nitschke)
Pac 12: Junior Seau USC
SEC: Larry Grantham (Ole Miss)......the SEC really has NOT produced great MLBs...I had to dig hard to find him.
ACC: Ray Lewis Miami Fla
Big 12: Mike Singletary Baylor
Cornerback:
Big 10: Rod Woodson Purdue (other good ones: Herb Adderly MSU, Dick LeBeau OSU; Ty Law Mich.
Pac 12: Mike Haynes AZ St.
SEC: Champ BAiley Georgia
ACC: Deion Sanders FSU
Big 12: Aqib Talib Kansas
Safety:
Big Ten: Paul Krause Iowa
Pac 12: Ronnie Lott USC
SEC: Yale Lary Tex A&M
ACC: Ed Reed Miami
Big 12: Bobby Dillon Texas
Again, if you think I missed someone (highly possible) or if you think there could be someone better...let us know.
On my "Homerism" note.....not one OSU player taken. And the only guy that played for the Browns was Clay Matthews.
Can anyone name an OLB that came out of the Pac 12 that was better than Clay?
I can find one guy who is arguable: Lance Briggs OLB from Arizona. But, overall I think I will stick with Clay.
On my "Homerism" note.....not one OSU player taken. And the only guy that played for the Browns was Clay Matthews.
Can anyone name an OLB that came out of the Pac 12 that was better than Clay?
I can find one guy who is arguable: Lance Briggs OLB from Arizona. But, overall I think I will stick with Clay.
Heard something about this on the radio today. Thought I would put it to the test: Who is the best player at each position to come out of each Power 5 Conference (as currently constituted). Here is my list. Let us know if you have alternative thoughts:
Quarterbacks:
Big Ten: Tom Brady, Michigan
Pac 12: John Elway Stanford
SEC: Peyton Manning, Tennessee
ACC: Dan Marino, Pitt
Big 12: Bobby Layne Texas (but...some day Mahomes may take this)
Running Backs:
Big Ten: Eddie George Ohio St. (though...I may have to relent and name Franco Harris...convince me I am right)
Pac 12: OJ Simpson USC
SEC: Emmitt Smith Florida
ACC: Jim Brown Syracuse
Big 12: Barry Sanders OK St.
Wide Receivers:
Big Ten: Paul Warfield Ohio St (by a scoche over Cris Carter)
Pac 12: James Lofton Stanford
SEC: Lance Alworth Arkansas (Julio Jones though may take over before career ends)
ACC: Larry Fitzgerald Pitt
Big 12: Tommy McDonald OK
Tight Ends
Big Ten Charlie Sanders Minnesota
Pac 12: Tony Gonzales Cal
SEC: Ozzie Newsome Alabama
ACC: Could not decide between Mike Ditka Pitt and John Mackey Syracuse
Big 12: Keith Jackson OK
Offensive Tackle:
Big Ten: Orlando Pace Ohio St.
Pac 12: Anthony Munoz USC
SEC: Lomas Brown Florida
ACC: Walter Jones FSU
Big 12: Mike McCormack Kansas
OCs/OGs
Big Ten: Mike Webster Wisconsin
Pac 12: Bruce Matthews USC
SEC: John Hannah Alabama
Big 12: Russell Okung Oklahoma
Defense later.
I might put Megatron over Fitz
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