Brett Ratliff
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The folks at Football Outsiders made a surprising point about Mangini's offense in New York:
Football Outsiders said:
The Browns offense may mimic what the Jets did in 2008. If so, expect the team to abandon the run before the national anthem each week. The Jets were a good running team (fifth in DVOA, as opposed to 22nd in passing DVOA), but Mangini’s staff treated runs like inconvenient obligations. The Jets ran on 56 percent of their first downs, but then ran just 41 percent of the time on all other downs, including just 31 percent of all third-and-short situations. It’s as if Mangini’s staff called a first-down handoff, shouted “Are you satisfied?” to the guys at the New York Post who demanded more Thomas Jones every week, then spread the field and ordered Favre to throw a short hitch, regardless of the situation.Not sure whether Mangini or Schottenheimer deserves the blame for that. Probably both of them.
Aloysius said:
The folks at Football Outsiders made a surprising point about Mangini's offense in New York:Not sure whether Mangini or Schottenheimer deserves the blame for that. Probably both of them.
You know that's a good way to describe the offensive play callling. I'd say both deserve the blame, we'll find out this year with Schotty staying behind (who knows, maybe Rex will be even MORE conservative on offense).
Mangini is smart (despite what people in NY say). He'll figure out the offense.
The 09 Browns are set up for success, IMO. Winning a couple of key divisional games will set the pace (week 3 & 6 both on the road - that's tough). 7 of the first 11 games on the road, to include Pitt, & Bal, but the schedule is not unbearable. A lot of games are within driving distance. I think this is a huge factor for NFL teams. We went to the west coast 4 times last year (from NY), and lost every game.
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To answer your question on Ratliff, he has been decent. Not starting material, but better than the 4th QB, Bartel. Unforunately, his best asset (that cannon attached to his right shoulder) is overlooked because DA has a stronger cannon. A lot of his deep passes are wobbly and his short passes tend to wobble at the end, but he's still young and a good #3 QB. Much better than Bartel, again.
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To answer your question on Ratliff, he has been decent. Not starting material, but better than the 4th QB, Bartel. Unforunately, his best asset (that cannon attached to his right shoulder) is overlooked because DA has a stronger cannon. A lot of his deep passes are wobbly and his short passes tend to wobble at the end, but he's still young and a good #3 QB. Much better than Bartel, again.
To answer your question on Ratliff, he has been decent. Not starting material, but better than the 4th QB, Bartel. Unforunately, his best asset (that cannon attached to his right shoulder) is overlooked because DA has a stronger cannon. A lot of his deep passes are wobbly and his short passes tend to wobble at the end, but he's still young and a good #3 QB. Much better than Bartel, again.
Well, it's interesting you say that (cannon), because Pennington's lack of one probably increased Ratliff's stock. Some guys are still wondering about him, and a few even think he'd start over the two guys you have, but these are the homer fans who don't understand football. There's a reason the guy was undrafted. Not to say he can't be a great QB (it happens, right), but he's in a tough situation to succeed in Cleveland.
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To answer your question on Ratliff, he has been decent. Not starting material, but better than the 4th QB, Bartel. Unforunately, his best asset (that cannon attached to his right shoulder) is overlooked because DA has a stronger cannon. A lot of his deep passes are wobbly and his short passes tend to wobble at the end, but he's still young and a good #3 QB. Much better than Bartel, again.
Well, it's interesting you say that (cannon), because Pennington's lack of one probably increased Ratliff's stock. Some guys are still wondering about him, and a few even think he'd start over the two guys you have, but these are the homer fans who don't understand football. There's a reason the guy was undrafted. Not to say he can't be a great QB (it happens, right), but he's in a tough situation to succeed in Cleveland.
Well, it's interesting you say that (cannon), because Pennington's lack of one probably increased Ratliff's stock. Some guys are still wondering about him, and a few even think he'd start over the two guys you have, but these are the homer fans who don't understand football. There's a reason the guy was undrafted. Not to say he can't be a great QB (it happens, right), but he's in a tough situation to succeed in Cleveland.
The loser of this QB competiton will most likely be shopped in the offseason. I think Mangini brought Ratliff in for a reason. He wasn't just a throwin. The kid is working with the #3 group because of the competition so yo aren't really getting a good look at him.
Persoonally, I like what I see in him. He could definately play in this league. You can always look at Cassels and know there's a chance.
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Aug 5th, 2009 @ 7:16 pm by Steve Doerschuk
- No. 3 QB Brett Ratliff has had a quiet camp after some misguided buzz that he might horn into the race for No. 1.
Ratliff is a likeable fellow who had a laugh today about last year’s preseason game at Cleveland.
He was a Jet then, with Brett Favre on his way in, and Chad Pennington on his way out.
“It was my coming-out party,” said Ratliff, who played three quarters and had a monster game. His first pass as an NFL quarterback was in that game, a 71-yarder to David Clowney.
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In his roundup of this morning's practice, Steve King talks to the "other" QB on the roster about his role now and into the future.
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Hey another jet fan here. Was also checking how Ratliff was doing but didn't seem to find anything but I guess that is understandable considering he is behind on the depth chart with DA and Quinn competing. Like John said a lot jet fans were pulling for him, and a lot of homers but what else is new. I guess it was just refreshing seeing a big "prototypical" QB with an arm after seeing Pennington all those years. But anyway..
You guys like Mangini so far as a HC? The one thing I didn't like about him was that to me , he seemed so stubborn with some of the decisions he made. Like he wanted to keep doing something until it worked, when everyone else knew it clearly wasn't going to work and it just kept costing the team. Also hated the way he punished the players or put them in the doghouse so often. I understand you shouldn't be making mistakes, but to bench a guy or take him off the field could sometimes hurt their confidence and just set a bad example after that. For example our TE Dustin Keller one game had a couple of a drops one game, then the next game he had Bubba effin Franks starting ahead of him because of it. There is no point of that to me. To me you should be able to go out make mistakes, especially as a rookie, but then go back out and learn from them. Thats how you get better. Not by being punished.
The guy seems like a genius with x's and o's in the film room and breaking it down but never seemed to translate on the field come game time.
And obviously from a fan standpoint, his secrecy and being all confidential was aggrivating lol but that doesn't really matter at he end.
I still feel like he will learn from all his mistakes and also things that worked in NY and build on it and become a good HC for you guys. Good luck on the season!
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Marty Gitlin said:
Brett Ratliff took a step forward in his quest for the third QB spot by pinpointing a strike in the end zone to WR Braylon Edwards between two defenders. -
Ratliff should be given a fair shot to win the job, but I don't know how politically viable that is right now.
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Hey another jet fan here. Was also checking how Ratliff was doing but didn't seem to find anything but I guess that is understandable considering he is behind on the depth chart with DA and Quinn competing. Like John said a lot jet fans were pulling for him, and a lot of homers but what else is new. I guess it was just refreshing seeing a big "prototypical" QB with an arm after seeing Pennington all those years. But anyway..
You guys like Mangini so far as a HC? The one thing I didn't like about him was that to me , he seemed so stubborn with some of the decisions he made. Like he wanted to keep doing something until it worked, when everyone else knew it clearly wasn't going to work and it just kept costing the team. Also hated the way he punished the players or put them in the doghouse so often. I understand you shouldn't be making mistakes, but to bench a guy or take him off the field could sometimes hurt their confidence and just set a bad example after that. For example our TE Dustin Keller one game had a couple of a drops one game, then the next game he had Bubba effin Franks starting ahead of him because of it. There is no point of that to me. To me you should be able to go out make mistakes, especially as a rookie, but then go back out and learn from them. Thats how you get better. Not by being punished.
The guy seems like a genius with x's and o's in the film room and breaking it down but never seemed to translate on the field come game time.
And obviously from a fan standpoint, his secrecy and being all confidential was aggrivating lol but that doesn't really matter at he end.
I still feel like he will learn from all his mistakes and also things that worked in NY and build on it and become a good HC for you guys. Good luck on the season!
Hey another jet fan here. Was also checking how Ratliff was doing but didn't seem to find anything but I guess that is understandable considering he is behind on the depth chart with DA and Quinn competing. Like John said a lot jet fans were pulling for him, and a lot of homers but what else is new. I guess it was just refreshing seeing a big "prototypical" QB with an arm after seeing Pennington all those years. But anyway..
You guys like Mangini so far as a HC? The one thing I didn't like about him was that to me , he seemed so stubborn with some of the decisions he made. Like he wanted to keep doing something until it worked, when everyone else knew it clearly wasn't going to work and it just kept costing the team. Also hated the way he punished the players or put them in the doghouse so often. I understand you shouldn't be making mistakes, but to bench a guy or take him off the field could sometimes hurt their confidence and just set a bad example after that. For example our TE Dustin Keller one game had a couple of a drops one game, then the next game he had Bubba effin Franks starting ahead of him because of it. There is no point of that to me. To me you should be able to go out make mistakes, especially as a rookie, but then go back out and learn from them. Thats how you get better. Not by being punished.
The guy seems like a genius with x's and o's in the film room and breaking it down but never seemed to translate on the field come game time.
And obviously from a fan standpoint, his secrecy and being all confidential was aggrivating lol but that doesn't really matter at he end.
I still feel like he will learn from all his mistakes and also things that worked in NY and build on it and become a good HC for you guys. Good luck on the season!
If there is one thing I like about Mangini, his tough, no bullsh*t approach. It works to an extent, and sometimes it doesn't but for a team that sure lacking in discipline like our brownies, his approach sure helps.
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Ratliff should be given a fair shot to win the job, but I don't know how politically viable that is right now.
Ratliff should be given a fair shot to win the job, but I don't know how politically viable that is right now.
Ratliff is a good player and all, I'm not really sure if he has the credentials to lead this team. After all, we have Anderson, who was a pro-bowler, and a unproven first rounder in Quinn. So, it's a double edged sword.
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