Browns Training Camp 2020

ballpeen

@orion said:

Athletes who voluntarily opt out must be under contract or subject to a tender. The contract will toll to the 2021 season, and the player will be eligible for a stipend of $150,000, treated as a salary advance against the tolled contract.

...so, is opting out a smart move for an undrafted guy? (like Drake Dorbeck) Assuming that he was just gonna get cut anyway.

If he had long odds to make the team, opting out is smart. Now he minimizes his risk of sickness and will still get invited back next season since he is still under contract. He may not get a stipend since he may not have any or much guaranteed money remaining, but if his wife and him feel like they are good, that is a family decision.

Not every player lives in a big house. Most of the undrafted guys live in some apartment just like most us did when we were 22 years old.

Orion

@ballpeen said:

He may not get a stipend

Well, that's what we need to know in order to determine how good a decision it is. I guess I'm thinking financially. It's 150k he either gets or he doesn't. - Of course, if it sounds too good to be true then it usually isn't true. Do we see a lot of undrafted rookies opting for the 150k 'bird in the hand'?

Next year might (hopefully) be much better as far as having a chance to show how good you are. This year, if he's one of the bottom 10, he along with the other 9 will have to be cut before the team is allowed to put pads on.

...again, I'm talking money. Anybody wanting to stay away from a possible FL Marlins situation, for health reasons regarding COVID, that decision cannot be second guessed.

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Edit: I just read somewhere (fox sports) that undrafted rookies get nothing if they opt out (except their signing bonus). You'd have to be a drafted rookie to qualify. So, never mind to all of the above.

gumby73

Pardon.. to those that get to hear these locally... but to the out of state fans? here's something ya might enjoy from today's meeting with the media..

Rather lengthy... so skip the ads... Enjoy! some players are actually on the grass

gumby73

@gumby73 said:

Drew Forbes-- Drew was on the roster longer than 3 weeks in 2019.. If Forbes was considered high risk? He's entitled to 350K.. if no high risk? 150K..

Forbes agent statement.. https://cleveland.com/browns/2020/07/browns-guard-drew-forbes-opted-out-for-a-medical-reason-and-grappled-with-it-for-several-days-agent-says.html

fair enough..good luck Drew

Orion

The Cleveland Browns have made the following roster moves:

Waived (4): WR Tony Brown, LB Jermaine Grace, DE George Obinna, DT Justin Zimmer (non-football injury)

The Browns active roster is currently at 80 players.

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We don't need no stinking 90 players! This is a peculiar year. New coaches installing new systems. Deprived of OTA's. Lost TC time to COVID testing and sitting around waiting for results. They just don't have the time to teach and evaluate 90 guys while installing systems. They've gotta be at 80 before the pads go on anyway...let's be at 80...if someone that you like gets cut somewhere you can bring him in.

gumby73

WR Tony Brown jumped on Giants roster the very next day..

And as most expected.. https://cleveland.com/browns/2020/08/jarvis-landy-placed-on-activepup-with-hip-to-start-browns-training-camp-but-hes-still-on-schedule-and-eyeing-the-opener.html

The Gipper

@gumby73 said:

WR Tony Brown jumped on Giants roster the very next day..

And as most expected.. https://cleveland.com/browns/2020/08/jarvis-landy-placed-on-activepup-with-hip-to-start-browns-training-camp-but-hes-still-on-schedule-and-eyeing-the-opener.html

Thought both he and OBJ were all over any injury issues lingering from last year?

gumby73

@the-gipper said:

Thought both he and OBJ were all over any injury issues lingering from last year?

Obj got his surgery done right after tossing lute around in the LSU locker room..Jarvis was with him, but waited a few weeks longer still deciding.. Bone chip fragments were cleaned away from his hip joint area.. nothing biggie ..Maintenance & tune up..Juice we be ready to bless'em Week 1.. but I did not realize he had to play his own home nurse though ?‍?

gumby73

@orion said:

The Cleveland Browns have placed G Drew Forbes and T Drake Dorbeck on the reserve/opt-out list*. In addition, the club placed TE Pharaoh Brown on active/PUP.

I normally try to stay away from teams cutting players. But with 2 lineman off the roster. And former Saints starting RG, now FA Larry Warford is opting out..The Jets have just cut their starting RG Brian Winters. He just turned 29. Played college at Kent State. From Hudson,Ohio..526 snaps, 2 penalties & 1 sack allowed in 2019.. Did we pass on a possible trade call? Waiting on the Jets to have to cut him?..7M left on 1 year left.. We don't have a 6'4 320 RG that can pull on our roster like Brian Winters.. and he won't be without a team very long.. It's not easy playing in Green ️?

gumby73

Jamie Gillan is back.? Garrett Gilbert to Covid reserve.? Karl Joesph(foot) goes to PUP list.? RB Brian Herrien was Waived. Brian Winters goes to Bills..

https://brownszone.com/2020/08/03/punter-jamie-gillan-activated-from-covid-19-list-no-3-qb-garrett-gilbert-placed-on-it/

Final player Opt-out is Thursday 4PM/Schefter

New CBA deal resolved https://nfl.com/news/opt-out-deadline-likely-thursday-later-choices-will-be-available

gumby73

@gumby73 said:

6 NFL players listed on reserve Covid 19 list.... 2 of 6 are Browns https://nfl.com/news/six-players-placed-on-reserve-covid-19-list

Hilliard & Moffatt return off of Covid reserve.. Garrett Gilbert & Ja'marcus Bradley remain on Covid reserve ..

@gumby73 said:

Here's is a Opt out list that should update daily https://espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29533526/players-opting-2020-nfl-season-coronavirus-concerns-tracking-full-list

Updated opt out list^^..Thursday 4PM deadline..

DT Andrew Billings opted out earlier today. Becoming the 50th player to do so...

Orion

@gumby73 said:

DT Andrew Billings opted out earlier today.

I was kinda' counting on him to help us.

gumby73

@orion said:

I was kinda' counting on him to help us.

Billings by far is our biggest opt out to date.. 1 year 3.5M rolled to cap..Timmy Jernigan or Snacks Harrison caught my eye as FA DT's still available..I'm now seeing G Colby Gossett has opt'd out late last night (high risk).. Am not sure what teams are waiting on? from roster 80? 16 will go to PS..Each team will only toss 10-11 players into the dumpster diving season..

The Gipper

@gumby73 said:

Hilliard & Moffatt return off of Covid reserve.. Garrett Gilbert & Ja'marcus Bradley remain on Covid reserve ..

Updated opt out list^^..Thursday 4PM deadline..

DT Andrew Billings opted out earlier today. Becoming the 50th player to do so...

I guess that means the Jordan Elliott, or is that Elliot Jordan.....will get a bigger role.

Orion

@gumby73 said:

G Colby Gossett has opt'd out late last night (high risk)

I'm assuming that the majority of opt outs would be linemen. Offensive & defensive.

I think, if we have a season, we may see RB's do rather well. Defensive players will be making more solo tackles, and RB's breaking solo tackles, because some guys will want to stay away from getting involved in gang tackles.

Dutch Oven

@orion said:

I'm assuming that the majority of opt outs would be linemen. Offensive & defensive.

I think, if we have a season, we may see RB's do rather well. Defensive players will be making more solo tackles, and RB's breaking solo tackles, because some guys will want to stay away from getting involved in gang tackles.

You really think in the heat of the moment that defensive players will shy away from making a tackle if other players are there already?

Orion

@dutch-oven said:

You really think in the heat of the moment that defensive players will shy away from making a tackle if other players are there already?

Yes.

In recent years I've seen more and more of it. What are they calling it? Career decisions? (or something) I think there would be more of it should they play this season.

Dutch Oven

@orion said:

Yes.

In recent years I've seen more and more of it. What are they calling it? Career decisions? (or something) I think there would be more of it should they play this season.

I never thought of this, but now that you've mentioned it, I'll definitely be looking to see if this is true.

D Bone

Business Decisions - or so they call it.

gumby73

@orion said:

I'm assuming that the majority of opt outs would be linemen. Offensive & defensive.

I think, if we have a season, we may see RB's do rather well. Defensive players will be making more solo tackles, and RB's breaking solo tackles, because some guys will want to stay away from getting involved in gang tackles.

I think once teams get to pad's? The new Oakley visor will be a real-option in the trenches at most camps..these are Hog Molly made & approved..Skill guys handling the football? not so much..but Russ Wilson is giving the visor a good workout in Seattle..

@the-gipper said:

I guess that means the Jordan Elliott, or is that Elliot Jordan.....will get a bigger role.

Elliot Jordan ain't ready for any bigger role than 10-12 snaps imho..Think what Pittsburgh & Ravens OL will do to this kid? 🥷...Elliott's game tape ain't awful.. But* Mr.Jordan needs some pro coaching.. tuning up his use of his powerful hands/arms.. While doing it? In the space of a phone booth, with better take offs. Imo.. he might have the use of Xavier Cooper in his rookie season..

Edit--I'd call, taking on Earl Campbell one on one a Career decision ?... Derrick Henry or Nick Chubb? that's your Business Decision...