Browns vs. Jaguars Data Points
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Zombo said:
Yes, I have sat in that stadium in Jacksonville and been disappointed many times.
Remember, Jacksonville was in the AFC Central from 1995-2001.
I think the Browns will be locked in this week, though ... But you always have to watch out for the wounded animal.
Zombo
I was there for the last game before leaving for Baltimore. We lost on a terrible pass interference call at the last second. Lol. It was poetic.
However, I was ALSO there for the Quincy Morgan Hail Mary! That shit was one of the best sporting experiences in my life. Punches were thrown, smack was talked, cops were involved, and we ran down the ramps of the stadium like we won the championship.
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Denzel Ward pulled a calf muscle, with an MRI pending.
His status for Sunday’s game is uncertain.
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Denzel Ward pulled a calf muscle, with an MRI pending.
His status for Sunday’s game is uncertain.
Denzel Ward pulled a calf muscle, with an MRI pending.
His status for Sunday’s game is uncertain.
When the hell did that happen?
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Denzel Ward pulled a calf muscle, with an MRI pending.
His status for Sunday’s game is uncertain.
When the hell did that happen?
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I saw it on the sports report on channel 8 news out of Cleveland this morning.
They had a graphic up on the screen about it, but unfortunately my boss was on the phone at that time (TV was muted).
Ward does not want to lose the race to see which highly drafted CB is out the most games this year, himself or Greedy.?
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...was listening to The Fan during the day at work. For a long time it sounded like Ward's injury was quite serious. I think his tweet this morning was a prayer of some sort. Fortunate to hear that he'll be back. It took Teller multiple weeks to come back from his calf injury.
We're going to suffer mightily without Ward & Myles. Hopefully we can slip out of florida with a win Sunday, Tenn I had as a loss on my schedule but I was hoping that we could be at full strength for the Ravens game...I'd be surprised if Ward is back by then.
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I still miss him....as does our defense. We'd be really different on D with him.
Prepare for a shock... I disagree.
He was never a tone-setting type MLB. I mean can you recall a single hit he made that prompted you to say, "Whoa"? I can't...
Would we be better? Yes... but not demonstrably different.
But rest easy... he might be back down the road as his (IMO) oversized contract is back-loaded going from a very friendly $5.4mm this season to $9.9 next to $13.6 in 2014 with the bulk of the back-end non-guaranteed.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I still miss him....as does our defense. We'd be really different on D with him.
Prepare for a shock... I disagree.
He was never a tone-setting type MLB. I mean can you recall a single hit he made that prompted you to say, "Whoa"? I can't...
Would we be better? Yes... but not demonstrably different.
But rest easy... he might be back down the road as his (IMO) oversized contract is back-loaded going from a very friendly $5.4mm this season to $9.9 next to $13.6 in 2014 with the bulk of the back-end non-guaranteed.
He was never a tone-setting type MLB. I mean can you recall a single hit he made that prompted you to say, "Whoa"? I can't..
I kind of agree with you there. Joe was never a Ray Lewis or Kuechly guy (God I wanted him so badly), but he was a guy who made plays, ya know? Interceptions, fumble recoveries, sacks, or whatever. He was around the ball ALWAYS, and he could cover. That being said, Schobert hasn't really played all that well this season I don't think (I could be wrong).
In end, it's a good thing we didn't sign him because of the covid budget crunch next year, so we're still in good shape. We've got to extend Ward, Teller, Chubb, and probably others.
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The thing is, the Browns, in their entire history have not really ever had that major stud at MLB. In checking, I see that Mike Johnson went to two Pro Bowls and is about the best that we have had in my recollection. Eddie Johnson is an MLB that we have fond memories of. . And Pepper Johnson went to one. Johnson, Johnson, and Johnson. Schobert did make the PB in 2017. Walt Michaels went to a number of PBs in the 50s, but he alternated from the middle to the outside...and that was before my time so I never really saw him play to know if he really was that stud.
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I always wondered if Schobert would have been better cast at the weakside LB in the 4-3, instead of the MLB position.
He was smart player who was good against the pass, but definitely not Butkus against the run.
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50% chance of rain now. God I'm so sick of bad weather. Come on weather gods! ?
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I always wondered if Schobert would have been better cast at the weakside LB in the 4-3, instead of the MLB position.
He was smart player who was good against the pass, but definitely not Butkus against the run.
I always wondered if Schobert would have been better cast at the weakside LB in the 4-3, instead of the MLB position.
He was smart player who was good against the pass, but definitely not Butkus against the run.
No they tried that. It didn’t work
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The thing is, the Browns, in their entire history have not really ever had that major stud at MLB. In checking, I see that Mike Johnson went to two Pro Bowls and is about the best that we have had in my recollection. Eddie Johnson is an MLB that we have fond memories of. . And Pepper Johnson went to one. Johnson, Johnson, and Johnson. Schobert did make the PB in 2017. Walt Michaels went to a number of PBs in the 50s, but he alternated from the middle to the outside...and that was before my time so I never really saw him play to know if he really was that stud.
The thing is, the Browns, in their entire history have not really ever had that major stud at MLB.
Dick Ambrose was about as good as we've ever had. I mean the guy's nickname was "Bam Bam"...
And of course there was Vince Costello in the middle back in our heyday. Held down the spot for a decade. Met Vince at the '64 teams Hiram reunion.
No they tried that. It didn’t work
Not exactly... he played some LOLB his rookie year in Horton's 3-4. Played heavier and looked slow. Kirksey filled one of the ILB slots.
The next year it was the trimmed-down Joe that moved into the middle of Williams' 4-3. Kirk moved outside. I think Williams knew what he was doing, but Joe likely would have done well outside.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Zombo said:
Bottlegate!
I threw bottles!
Z
Thatta boy! Just a few days later, somebody posted a picture of Stan (Atenears) in the wind-up throwing a bottle while he was already nervous about a potential court case with Merletti. I hit the deck LMAO and he told me "it's not funny Flugel that Merletti is a bad dude." I said you just tell that Stadium Five-O Chief nobody fux with your curve ball.
I miss that guy!
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The thing is, the Browns, in their entire history have not really ever had that major stud at MLB.
Dick Ambrose was about as good as we've ever had. I mean the guy's nickname was "Bam Bam"...
And of course there was Vince Costello in the middle back in our heyday. Held down the spot for a decade. Met Vince at the '64 teams Hiram reunion.
No they tried that. It didn’t work
Not exactly... he played some LOLB his rookie year in Horton's 3-4. Played heavier and looked slow. Kirksey filled one of the ILB slots.
The next year it was the trimmed-down Joe that moved into the middle of Williams' 4-3. Kirk moved outside. I think Williams knew what he was doing, but Joe likely would have done well outside.
Dick Ambrose was about as good as we've ever had. I mean the guy's nickname was "Bam Bam"...
And of course there was Vince Costello in the middle back in our heyday. Held down the spot for a decade. Met Vince at the '64 teams Hiram reunion.
They were pretty good, but certainly not HOF caliber. In fact, in checking neither of them actually ever made a Pro Bowl. Mike Johnson and Walt Michaels are the only Browns MLBs that I see making more than one.
Not exactly... he played some LOLB his rookie year in Horton's 3-4. Played heavier and looked slow. Kirksey filled one of the ILB slots.
The next year it was the trimmed-down Joe that moved into the middle of Williams' 4-3. Kirk moved outside. I think Williams knew what he was doing, but Joe likely would have done well outside.
That was what I was thinking of....the fact that he played on the outside his rookie year...and they felt the need to put him inside.
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Dick Ambrose was about as good as we've ever had. I mean the guy's nickname was "Bam Bam"...
And of course there was Vince Costello in the middle back in our heyday. Held down the spot for a decade. Met Vince at the '64 teams Hiram reunion.
They were pretty good, but certainly not HOF caliber. In fact, in checking neither of them actually ever made a Pro Bowl. Mike Johnson and Walt Michaels are the only Browns MLBs that I see making more than one.
Not exactly... he played some LOLB his rookie year in Horton's 3-4. Played heavier and looked slow. Kirksey filled one of the ILB slots.
The next year it was the trimmed-down Joe that moved into the middle of Williams' 4-3. Kirk moved outside. I think Williams knew what he was doing, but Joe likely would have done well outside.
That was what I was thinking of....the fact that he played on the outside his rookie year...and they felt the need to put him inside.
- They were pretty good, but certainly not HOF caliber. In fact, in checking neither of them actually ever made a Pro Bowl. Mike Johnson and Walt Michaels are the only Browns MLBs that I see making more than one.
- That was what I was thinking of....the fact that he played on the outside his rookie year...and they felt the need to put him inside.
- Vince and Dick were both pretty good for a long time and impacted the games when they played. HOF is a ridiculous criteria and Pro Bowl isn't much better as it only means that a couple of others were better at their positions in a given year.
- Again, no... different Defensive schemes... different skill sets. There's no basis for saying Joe would or would not be good on the outside in a 4-3. Only thing that can be said is that Williams believed Joe's contributions would be greater inside.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
- They were pretty good, but certainly not HOF caliber. In fact, in checking neither of them actually ever made a Pro Bowl. Mike Johnson and Walt Michaels are the only Browns MLBs that I see making more than one.
- That was what I was thinking of....the fact that he played on the outside his rookie year...and they felt the need to put him inside.
- Vince and Dick were both pretty good for a long time and impacted the games when they played. HOF is a ridiculous criteria and Pro Bowl isn't much better as it only means that a couple of others were better at their positions in a given year.
- Again, no... different Defensive schemes... different skill sets. There's no basis for saying Joe would or would not be good on the outside in a 4-3. Only thing that can be said is that Williams believed Joe's contributions would be greater inside.
- Vince and Dick were both pretty good for a long time and impacted the games when they played. HOF is a ridiculous criteria and Pro Bowl isn't much better as it only means that a couple of others were better at their positions in a given year.
- So? To you making Pro Bowls and making the HOF are inconsequential when judging a player's career? Does the rest of the planet know about this?
- Again, no... different Defensive schemes... different skill sets. There's no basis for saying Joe would or would not be good on the outside in a 4-3. Only thing that can be said is that Williams believed Joe's contributions would be greater inside.
- Well, the basis is they tried him outside and apparently didn't like what they saw, so they put him inside and did like it. What scheme and where is Jacksonville playing him?
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Back to Ignore you go...
Same old Gipper... clueless when it comes to football.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Back to Ignore you go...
Same old Gipper... clueless when it comes to football.
The Clueless Coward of Cass County returns I see. Hall of Fame recognition and Pro Bowl recognition are ridiculous ways to assess a player's career. That is what this clown is saying. Does he read what he writes?
And the fact is...the people who are experts and in charge of things felt that Schobert would be better off inside.
So, Tour thinks he is smarter than all the players/coaches/GMs/sports writers in the NFL who look at player's careers and decide who were best at their jobs, and who are responsible for the deployment of the players in their employ.
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Well, here is another way to assess a players career: look at the Career Averages on PFR
Browns MLBs with top CAs:
Charlie Hall 62
Mike Johnson 56
Vince Costello 53
DQwell Jackson 51
Dick Ambrose 47
Eddie Johnson 43
Dale Lindsay 40
Walt Michaels played too early to have a proper Career Average score, as that particular stat really goes back to like 1960
So, OK, these are good, but by no means great scores and these were good but by no means great players. And I will repeat my claim that we have never really had that stud MLB ...HOF potential.
Compare these to a couple of outstanding OLBs in the Browns history:
Jim Houston....Career Average 89 and still has not had a sniff of HOF recognition
Clay Matthews 125 CA and while he is getting sniffs, he has not made HOF.
(Note: Chip Banks had a Career Average with the Browns of 55. so he would fall in the good, not great category IMO).
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