Who is Done?

The Gipper

I have seen/heard quite a bit of conversation lately along these lines: " Is QB so and so done where he is?"

The usual suspects are:

Is Jimmy Garrapolo done in San Francisco?

Is Dak Prescott done in Dallas?

Is Drew Brees with his injury, done in New Orleans?

Are ALL the QBs in Chicago done: Trubisky, Foles etc.?

Is Stafford done in Detroit.....along the lines of "should he try to force his way out?

Is Rivers done in Indy after this year?

Is Tom Brady done in Tampa...or just done period?

Who will the QB in Washington next year? Are Smith and Haskins both done there?

Is Darnold done with the Jets....who may go get Trevor Lawrence?

So....for you all....tell us who you think may be done in their situation?

The Cysko Kid

Carson wentz might be done in Philly

The Gipper

@the-cysko-kid said:

Carson wentz might be done in Philly

Yea, he was a major one I forgot.

SdBacker80

@the-gipper said:

I have seen/heard quite a bit of conversation lately along these lines: " Is QB so and so done where he is?"

The usual suspects are:

Is Jimmy Garrapolo done in San Francisco?

Is Dak Prescott done in Dallas?

Is Drew Brees with his injury, done in New Orleans?

Are ALL the QBs in Chicago done: Trubisky, Foles etc.?

Is Stafford done in Detroit.....along the lines of "should he try to force his way out?

Is Rivers done in Indy after this year?

Is Tom Brady done in Tampa...or just done period?

Who will the QB in Washington next year? Are Smith and Haskins both done there?

Is Darnold done with the Jets....who may go get Trevor Lawrence?

So....for you all....tell us who you think may be done in their situation?

Grapes is not done in SF - Kyle likes him.

Dak is not done in big D

Same with Brees.

Chicago will do a clean slate.

Stafford will be a Lion.

I feel like Indy will look elsewhere and maybe make a big trade or maybe stafford will be a Colt.

Surprise here...Brady will retire.

Smith stays in Washington. Haskins no way

Darnold is gone...new regime will clean house

Forgot one- Matt Ryan will be out in Atlanta

Tour2ma

@sdbacker80 said:

Forgot one- Matt Ryan will be out in Atlanta

Pretty much agree with your takes based upon on-field performance, but that's not the only consideration, i.e., $$$. For example:

Ryan inked an extension in 2019. Cut would be very expensive... in the area of $50mm... so can't see him going anywhere.
at about $10mm Darnold and Foles are relatively cheap axes, but can their teams even afford that much against their caps?
Trubs would add another $9mm to CHI's tab.

I think Brady's decision will be set by how TB finishes. Anything less than a SB win and I see him back.

Most interesting name is Dak because it's not just up to the team. Why would he stay in DAL?SF is a helluva lot closer to being title competitive than DAL.

Marcus Spears was asked yesterday on NFL Live about where Dak might go and without hesitation he said SF. That seems like a great match to me and dumping Jimmy G costs less than $3mm. They may like Jimmy, but a healthy Dak is an obvious upgrade and it's not like Jimmy is or has been healthy.

Finally if you are da 'Boyz, how do you pay Dak $35+mm via a 2nd tag to keep him for one more year?

The Gipper

@sdbacker80 said:

Grapes is not done in SF - Kyle likes him. I think that is true...but there are rumors

Dak is not done in big D...his deal is done at the end of this year, I think he is just playing on the tender.... But I have heard he may NOT want to come back to Dallas

Same with Brees. The issue is injury....and age obviously.

Chicago will do a clean slate. Agree, but there is more wrong with their offense than the QB. They need OL

Stafford will be a Lion. Probably, but if he had a chance to book elsewhere I think he would jump at it.

I feel like Indy will look elsewhere and maybe make a big trade or maybe stafford will be a Colt. Or Darnold...or Dak?

Surprise here...Brady will retire. I don't think so. They make the playoffs this year (they have a weak remaining schedule),

Smith stays in Washington. Haskins no way. Well, Smith will stay....but he is not their long term answer.

Darnold is gone...new regime will clean house. So, are you saying new GM, new coach, new QB? I tend to agree.

Forgot one- Matt Ryan will be out in Atlanta. I just don't think so here.

And what about Wentz?

The Gipper

@tour2ma said:

Pretty much agree with your takes based upon on-field performance, but that's not the only consideration, i.e., $$$. For example:

Ryan inked an extension in 2019. Cut would be very expensive... in the area of $50mm... so can't see him going anywhere.

at about $10mm Darnold and Foles are relatively cheap axes, but can their teams even afford that much against their caps?

Trubs would add another $9mm to CHI's tab.

I think Brady's decision will be set by how TB finishes. Anything less than a SB win and I see him back.

Most interesting name is Dak because it's not just up to the team. Why would he stay in DAL?SF is a helluva lot closer to being title competitive than DAL.

Marcus Spears was asked yesterday on NFL Live about where Dak might go and without hesitation he said SF. That seems like a great match to me and dumping Jimmy G costs less than $3mm. They may like Jimmy, but a healthy Dak is an obvious upgrade and it's not like Jimmy is or has been healthy.

Finally if you are da 'Boyz, how do you pay Dak $35+mm via a 2nd tag to keep him for one more year?

Then that begs the question: Where do the Cowboys turn? I don't think they are going to cast their fortunes with Andy Dalton.

SdBacker80

@the-gipper said:

Then that begs the question: Where do the Cowboys turn? I don't think they are going to cast their fortunes with Andy Dalton.

They aren’t getting rid of Dak next season

The Gipper

@sdbacker80 said:

They aren’t getting rid of Dak next season

Again, Dak will be FA....he may get rid of them. Unless they want to tag him again.

SdBacker80

@the-gipper said:

Again, Dak will be FA....he may get rid of them. Unless they want to tag him again.

Does Dak have leverage next season? He may have some doubts as other teams have doubts on him coming back healthy next year and or having lingering effects of the injury the following year. Name a team looking for a QB are you anchoring yourself to 35-40M plus a year on that? If you recall he didn’t want to sign for more than 4 years. I think Dallas is most likely team to take a gamble and it may not be as rich of a contract.

D Bone

@sdbacker80 said:

Grapes is not done in SF - Kyle likes him.

Dak is not done in big D

Same with Brees.

Chicago will do a clean slate.

Stafford will be a Lion.

I feel like Indy will look elsewhere and maybe make a big trade or maybe stafford will be a Colt.

Surprise here...Brady will retire.

Smith stays in Washington. Haskins no way

Darnold is gone...new regime will clean house

Forgot one- Matt Ryan will be out in Atlanta

Thanks for saving me time typing. I concur with all of it.

Unsympathetic

Hurts is starting next week for Philly - Wentz is already done. Wentz was subbed out middle of the game last week.

Bob806

I think Rivers might hang 'em up, retire. He's got a bad case of turf toe that requires surgery.

He's had a pretty fine career, not a lot of playoff success of course. The Colts took a flyer on him, its kind of worked out with 4 to play.

Tour2ma

@sdbacker80 said:

Does Dak have leverage next season?

Yes... because he's a UFA. Whenever you control where you sign... you have leverage.

Plus I guarantee you that after the failed 2020 contract negotiations Dak feels no allegiance to DAL.

@sdbacker80 said:

He may have some doubts as other teams have doubts on him coming back healthy next year and or having lingering effects of the injury the following year. Name a team looking for a QB are you anchoring yourself to 35-40M plus a year on that? If you recall he didn’t want to sign for more than 4 years. I think Dallas is most likely team to take a gamble and it may not be as rich of a contract.

Two things...

Word is that Dak is already ahead of schedule in his recovery/rehab which was only 4 - 6 months long. It's almost been two months since the injury.
Teams have medical staffs to evaluate the soundness of players, but with the above timetable staffs should be able to see for themselves how well the recovery went.

Even then the contract base may not be as rich as it once was... unless it's another tag by DAL which is set by rule. Problem is that if you look at DAL's 2021 cap-space you can see that is not really an option. They have an unbelievable $92mm in 2021 dead money tied up in three players... Cooper, Elliot and Lawrence.

Teams that want to hedge a little can use incentive clauses and even option years. So a team can commit to invest as little as $20mm or so while offering a package that hits $30+mm/yr.

LondonBrown

@bob806 said:

I think Rivers might hang 'em up, retire. He's got a bad case of turf toe that requires surgery.

He's had a pretty fine career, not a lot of playoff success of course. The Colts took a flyer on him, its kind of worked out with 4 to play.

Rivers has been a fantastic QB

SdBacker80

@tour2ma said:

Yes... because he's a UFA. Whenever you control where you sign... you have leverage.

Plus I guarantee you that after the failed 2020 contract negotiations Dak feels no allegiance to DAL.

Two things...

Word is that Dak is already ahead of schedule in his recovery/rehab which was only 4 - 6 months long. It's almost been two months since the injury.

Teams have medical staffs to evaluate the soundness of players, but with the above timetable staffs should be able to see for themselves how well the recovery went.

Even then the contract base may not be as rich as it once was... unless it's another tag by DAL which is set by rule. Problem is that if you look at DAL's 2021 cap-space you can see that is not really an option. They have an unbelievable $92mm in 2021 dead money tied up in three players... Cooper, Elliot and Lawrence.

Teams that want to hedge a little can use incentive clauses and even option years. So a team can commit to invest as little as $20mm or so while offering a package that hits $30+mm/yr.

I understand he’s an UFA. He’s coming off of a serious injury going into the UFA. this is ideal...never.

He’s coming back...I get it ...is he right? When he moves in the pocket is he thinking about stepping up in the pocket and getting that ankle rolled on. For a guy that doesn’t want to be locked into something long termish it’s a risk

My opinion... I would think his current team is likely more willing to assume the risk- he knows the system, the team, etc.

ill be surprised if he’s on another team next year

Tour2ma

I assumed you knew he was a UFA. Just don't understand how that translates into "no leverage".

I'll be surprised if Dak stays put. I'm watching another team play tonite where he's be a welcome addition. I believe the team's HC is named Belichick.

Dak's a tough competitor. Any apprehension he might have, which IMO will be little to none, will disappear when he gets off the turf after his first contact.

Tour2ma

Of course if Dak's watching the game he's likely to say, "Thanks for the interest, Bill, but no thanks. I can get beat up in Dallas."

hoorta

@the-gipper said:

Then that begs the question: Where do the Cowboys turn? I don't think they are going to cast their fortunes with Andy Dalton.

Dallas is going to suck bad enough to be in the draft a QB derby. They're currently 4th (actually 3rd, because the Bengals aren't drafting a QB).

PS- a brief perusal of the Rams- Patriots game, I'd add Cam Newton to the "done" list.

gumby73

If the draft order stays as is? Let's just say the draft could start at pick #2... Does QB Gardner Minshew look like a NFL Starting QB or a Back-up QB?

Buckeyes QB Justin Fields could be a Jags pick? or LT Penei Sewell could be chosen to protect Minshew's future? (Jags LT Cam Robinson rookie deal expires after 2020 season)

As of now...Jags sit on #2 pick...Cowboys #4 pick... Eagles #6 pick... Atlanta #8 pick.. Denver #10 pick...

The Jags could receive a Sashi butt-load of rebuilding picks while passing on Justin Fields?.. Minshew a) could be traded on his rookie deal until 2023? b,) Kept as Fields starting competition?

Should we, Fear the Stache is done in Jacksonville? ?

Edit--The smallest untold story in Greenville,NC? 1.) The ECU Pirates hired a new Athletic director.. 2.)Walked in the door & fired former Pirate player and Than ECU Head Coach Ruffin McNeill.. 3.) To open the door for than QB Garner Minshew to transfer from ECU to Washington State.. $4.) Sooners HC Lincoln Riley was Ruffin's/Minshew's Offensive Coordinator.... ?‍️ ?