2021 'Who are you watching?' NFL prospect thread.
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One name sure to be there for us is Wake's Bashum...
... if only his play lived up to his name.
Based on some unexpectedly decent Pro Day times I watched three 2020 games and was left to wonder what others see that earns him Round 2 status, let alone bottom of the 1st. IIRC the games were Clemson, NC State and NC(?)... not sure about the last one.
Major takeaways...
- no get-off... Seriously the man was consistently a beat slower out of his 3-point than every other lineman on both sides of the ball.
- low agility... He beat one OT on one play on a speed rush... and then could not turn the corner to get to the QB.
- inability to find the ball... In a later game he spent more time in a 2-point. I think it was so he could at least see where the ball started.
- edge insecurity... I saw wide ZBS plays to his side (usually LDE) where he turned his back to the OL on him and ran with them as if it was a race to the sideline. RBs regularly made cut back decisions... and yardage.
Any positives? Maybe one... assignment discipline. Kid stayed at home when the play went away, broke down and looked ready for QB keeping any option. Problem was when the QB made a bad read and did keep it he was able to beat Bashum to the outside anyway.
I wasn't expecting much... and got a lot less than I was expecting.
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I don't know this Cleveland writer?.. but he's blunt & bold & certainly not Mary Kay
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One name sure to be there for us is Wake's Bashum...
... if only his play lived up to his name.
Based on some unexpectedly decent Pro Day times I watched three 2020 games and was left to wonder what others see that earns him Round 2 status, let alone bottom of the 1st. IIRC the games were Clemson, NC State and NC(?)... not sure about the last one.
Major takeaways...
- no get-off... Seriously the man was consistently a beat slower out of his 3-point than every other lineman on both sides of the ball.
- low agility... He beat one OT on one play on a speed rush... and then could not turn the corner to get to the QB.
- inability to find the ball... In a later game he spent more time in a 2-point. I think it was so he could at least see where the ball started.
- edge insecurity... I saw wide ZBS plays to his side (usually LDE) where he turned his back to the OL on him and ran with them as if it was a race to the sideline. RBs regularly made cut back decisions... and yardage.
Any positives? Maybe one... assignment discipline. Kid stayed at home when the play went away, broke down and looked ready for QB keeping any option. Problem was when the QB made a bad read and did keep it he was able to beat Bashum to the outside anyway.
I wasn't expecting much... and got a lot less than I was expecting.
One name sure to be there for us is Wake's Bashum...
nope.
Carlos Basham Jr. EDGE Wake Forest - Draft Player Profile ...
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I'm on my 2nd game for Bash. I'll have a couple time stamped videos by Sunday afternoon.
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I don't know this Cleveland writer?.. but he's blunt & bold & certainly not Mary Kay
I don't know this Cleveland writer?.. but he's blunt & bold & certainly not Mary Kay
Rousseau: 14 games 15.5 sacks. He was second only to Chase Young in 2019. That was his first full season at DE in college football. The “experts” i see point out the competition getting the sacks against inferior interior lineman. Of those sacks half appear to be Rousseau chasing down and closing on the QB (impressively) not necessarily beating his man. Looks to me that he needs coached up to use his hands and develop some pass rush setups to match his size. BUT the closing burst and pursuit and range and motor I see is GREAT...keep in mind he would be chasing and pursuing guys like Burrow and Jackson- who keep plays alive and would be looking over their shoulder to see where Myles is coming. You have to love a tall bodied interior force too getting his mitts in passing lanes.
Now I’m throwing Paye in here 11.5 sacks in 28 games. We discredited this by saying the scheme was the cause of the sack numbers being less than remarkable. I don’t recall and OSU/UM game where he was on the field that I thought OSU has to be concerned with this guy. He tested much better he’s got all the buzz and to get him you’d have to move up. Just Don’t see it from my perspective.
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Numbers look like a good day 3 get, but 1:1 reps outside of the most recent SrBowl are light on the intertubes. Anyone heard anything about Benjamin St. Juste [CB - Minnesota]? He went against Bateman every day for 2 years, he's at minimum better than Tavierre Thomas..
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Numbers look like a good day 3 get, but 1:1 reps outside of the most recent SrBowl are light on the intertubes. Anyone heard anything about Benjamin St. Juste [CB - Minnesota]? He went against Bateman every day for 2 years, he's at minimum better than Tavierre Thomas..
Numbers look like a good day 3 get, but 1:1 reps outside of the most recent SrBowl are light on the intertubes. Anyone heard anything about Benjamin St. Juste [CB - Minnesota]? He went against Bateman every day for 2 years, he's at minimum better than Tavierre Thomas..
Since 2014 Minnesota has had a DB drafted every season but 2018. Last year they had two. That’s pretty impressive for a program that hasn’t had great success the last couple decades aside from a couple seasons. -
Numbers look like a good day 3 get, but 1:1 reps outside of the most recent SrBowl are light on the intertubes. Anyone heard anything about Benjamin St. Juste [CB - Minnesota]? He went against Bateman every day for 2 years, he's at minimum better than Tavierre Thomas..
Since 2014 Minnesota has had a DB drafted every season but 2018. Last year they had two. That’s pretty impressive for a program that hasn’t had great success the last couple decades aside from a couple seasons.
Since 2014 Minnesota has had a DB drafted every season but 2018. Last year they had two. That’s pretty impressive for a program that hasn’t had great success the last couple decades aside from a couple seasons.Minny always seems to have a name or two. Eric Decker was a dog. Don't forget they had Lawrence Maroney and Marion the barbarian in the same backfield at one point.
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One name sure to be there for us is Wake's Bashum...
nope.
Carlos Basham Jr. EDGE Wake Forest - Draft Player Profile ...
nope.
Carlos Basham Jr. EDGE Wake Forest - Draft Player Profile ...
Guess again... or at least find a relevant rebuttal. You know... like a ranking...
And FYI... "TDN" stands for The Draft Network, a/k/a, your referenced source where Bashum is their 9th ranked Edge on both boards.
You really do have comprehension issues.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
nope.
Carlos Basham Jr. EDGE Wake Forest - Draft Player Profile ...
Guess again... or at least find a relevant rebuttal. You know... like a ranking...
And FYI... "TDN" stands for The Draft Network, a/k/a, your referenced source where Bashum is their 9th ranked Edge on both boards.
You really do have comprehension issues.
Guess again... or at least find a relevant rebuttal. You know... like a ranking...
And FYI... "TDN" stands for The Draft Network, a/k/a, your referenced source where Bashum is their 9th ranked Edge on both boards.
You really do have comprehension issues.
I think Cal is referring to the spelling of the last name.
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I don't know this Cleveland writer?.. but he's blunt & bold & certainly not Mary Kay
Rousseau: 14 games 15.5 sacks. He was second only to Chase Young in 2019. That was his first full season at DE in college football. The “experts” i see point out the competition getting the sacks against inferior interior lineman. Of those sacks half appear to be Rousseau chasing down and closing on the QB (impressively) not necessarily beating his man. Looks to me that he needs coached up to use his hands and develop some pass rush setups to match his size. BUT the closing burst and pursuit and range and motor I see is GREAT...keep in mind he would be chasing and pursuing guys like Burrow and Jackson- who keep plays alive and would be looking over their shoulder to see where Myles is coming. You have to love a tall bodied interior force too getting his mitts in passing lanes.
Now I’m throwing Paye in here 11.5 sacks in 28 games. We discredited this by saying the scheme was the cause of the sack numbers being less than remarkable. I don’t recall and OSU/UM game where he was on the field that I thought OSU has to be concerned with this guy. He tested much better he’s got all the buzz and to get him you’d have to move up. Just Don’t see it from my perspective.
Rousseau: 14 games 15.5 sacks. He was second only to Chase Young in 2019.
Supposedly his pro day was not impressive.
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Rousseau: 14 games 15.5 sacks. He was second only to Chase Young in 2019.
Supposedly his pro day was not impressive.
Supposedly his pro day was not impressive.
Yeah I heard that...his teammate Jaelan Phillips had a better pro day.
Rousseau started over Phillips and Phillips has a concussion history.
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Guess again... or at least find a relevant rebuttal. You know... like a ranking...
And FYI... "TDN" stands for The Draft Network, a/k/a, your referenced source where Bashum is their 9th ranked Edge on both boards.
You really do have comprehension issues.
I think Cal is referring to the spelling of the last name.
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Bash'em or Bash'-uuummm ? might be tour's way of thinking?
anywho?
If this unknown LT fell to us in the 4th/5th round? Would ya try swinging him to protect both right and or left tackle?
@tour2ma.. I've found my guy.. Stick him behind Conklin ...
TDN--
Brady Christensen aligned at left tackle for the Cougars offense. He plays the game with average overall athleticism, with regards to his agility and movement skills. He does a good job handling edge defenders in their conference. However, his athletic limitations may be an issue at the next level. Although he aligns at left tackle, he could be better suited at right tackle while also adding value at guard. He plays with the level of football intelligence required to play multiple positions. He has redeeming value in his size, strength, and football IQ, but would likely struggle against athletic rushers in the NFL if he remains at left tackle.
Ideal Role: Backup swing offensive tackle.
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Bash'em or Bash'-uuummm ? might be tour's way of thinking?
anywho?
If this unknown LT fell to us in the 4th/5th round? Would ya try swinging him to protect both right and or left tackle?
@tour2ma.. I've found my guy.. Stick him behind Conklin ...
TDN--
Brady Christensen aligned at left tackle for the Cougars offense. He plays the game with average overall athleticism, with regards to his agility and movement skills. He does a good job handling edge defenders in their conference. However, his athletic limitations may be an issue at the next level. Although he aligns at left tackle, he could be better suited at right tackle while also adding value at guard. He plays with the level of football intelligence required to play multiple positions. He has redeeming value in his size, strength, and football IQ, but would likely struggle against athletic rushers in the NFL if he remains at left tackle.
Ideal Role: Backup swing offensive tackle.
Bash'em or Bash'-uuummm ? might be tour's way of thinking?
anywho?
If this unknown LT fell to us in the 4th/5th round? Would ya try swinging him to protect both right and or left tackle?
@tour2ma.. I've found my guy.. Stick him behind Conklin ...
TDN--
Brady Christensen aligned at left tackle for the Cougars offense. He plays the game with average overall athleticism, with regards to his agility and movement skills. He does a good job handling edge defenders in their conference. However, his athletic limitations may be an issue at the next level. Although he aligns at left tackle, he could be better suited at right tackle while also adding value at guard. He plays with the level of football intelligence required to play multiple positions. He has redeeming value in his size, strength, and football IQ, but would likely struggle against athletic rushers in the NFL if he remains at left tackle.
Ideal Role: Backup swing offensive tackle.
The problem with evaluating any player from BYU, whether the QB or the OT, is that due to COVID they played not one power 5 team in 2020.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/252
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Bash'em or Bash'-uuummm ? might be tour's way of thinking?
anywho?
If this unknown LT fell to us in the 4th/5th round? Would ya try swinging him to protect both right and or left tackle?
@tour2ma.. I've found my guy.. Stick him behind Conklin ...
TDN--
Brady Christensen aligned at left tackle for the Cougars offense. He plays the game with average overall athleticism, with regards to his agility and movement skills. He does a good job handling edge defenders in their conference. However, his athletic limitations may be an issue at the next level. Although he aligns at left tackle, he could be better suited at right tackle while also adding value at guard. He plays with the level of football intelligence required to play multiple positions. He has redeeming value in his size, strength, and football IQ, but would likely struggle against athletic rushers in the NFL if he remains at left tackle.
Ideal Role: Backup swing offensive tackle.
The problem with evaluating any player from BYU, whether the QB or the OT, is that due to COVID they played not one power 5 team in 2020.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/252
The problem with evaluating any player from BYU, whether the QB or the OT, is that due to COVID they played not one power 5 team in 2020.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/252
Man-a-mal Brady has 2 flaws...Already age 23.. Arm Length 32.25... Brady has started every game since his red-shirt freshman year.. In fact.. he's played someone since 2018 & 38 starts..
Good news !! I have A&M's Carson Green on deck to watch? .. will he last till 5/6th round?
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Bash'em or Bash'-uuummm ? might be tour's way of thinking?
anywho?
If this unknown LT fell to us in the 4th/5th round? Would ya try swinging him to protect both right and or left tackle?
@tour2ma.. I've found my guy.. Stick him behind Conklin ...
TDN--
Brady Christensen aligned at left tackle for the Cougars offense. He plays the game with average overall athleticism, with regards to his agility and movement skills. He does a good job handling edge defenders in their conference. However, his athletic limitations may be an issue at the next level. Although he aligns at left tackle, he could be better suited at right tackle while also adding value at guard. He plays with the level of football intelligence required to play multiple positions. He has redeeming value in his size, strength, and football IQ, but would likely struggle against athletic rushers in the NFL if he remains at left tackle.
Ideal Role: Backup swing offensive tackle.
The problem with evaluating any player from BYU, whether the QB or the OT, is that due to COVID they played not one power 5 team in 2020.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/252
The problem with evaluating any player from BYU, whether the QB or the OT, is that due to COVID they played not one power 5 team in 2020.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/252
Technique will still be evident (should be) regardless of opponent.
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The problem with evaluating any player from BYU, whether the QB or the OT, is that due to COVID they played not one power 5 team in 2020.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/252
Technique will still be evident (should be) regardless of opponent.
Technique will still be evident (should be) regardless of opponent.
But will that hold up against NFL speed? That is the question.
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The problem with evaluating any player from BYU, whether the QB or the OT, is that due to COVID they played not one power 5 team in 2020.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/252
Man-a-mal Brady has 2 flaws...Already age 23.. Arm Length 32.25... Brady has started every game since his red-shirt freshman year.. In fact.. he's played someone since 2018 & 38 starts..
Good news !! I have A&M's Carson Green on deck to watch? .. will he last till 5/6th round?
Man-a-mal Brady has 2 flaws...Already age 23.. Arm Length 32.25... Brady has started every game since his red-shirt freshman year.. In fact.. he's played someone since 2018 & 38 starts..
Good news !! I have A&M's Carson Green on deck to watch? .. will he last till 5/6th round?
I'd go with their LT Dan Moore, Jr. first. He is likely 3-4th rounder and Green maybe 5-6th. But their best one is taking over the LT spot next year as a Jr,- Kenyon Green. He is going to be a great one there IMO. And one of the Matthews brothers, oft injured Luke, is finally taking over center. Kenyon says he's tearing it up in spring ball. Great bloodlines for sure with older brother Jake starting LT with the Falcons for many years now. Both sons of HOFamer Bruce.
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I liked Walker Little T Stanford but he appears to be a second day guy. Maybe too early for that spot for us.
Ben Cleveland G and James Hudson Cincy could be a good fit for our scheme- quick to the second level.
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