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Answering the Complicated Odell Beckham Question

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  • The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    Yes......the issue that needs to be resolved is:

    Can he recover from  his injury in order to be at full strength for next season? 

  • https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/answering-the-odell-beckham-question

    There are issues with Cleveland Browns receiver Odell Beckham that need to be resolved if he's going to be successful, but it's a mistake to attribute the dramatic improvement of the passing game entirely on the occurrence of his injury.

    Just in terms of what Mayfield was seeing from defenses, where his eyes are and how he was manipulating defenders is night and day from the earlier part of the season. In other words, if Beckham were healthy, there's every reason to believe he would be benefiting as much as every other weapon in this offense is currently.

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    @vambo said:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/answering-the-odell-beckham-question

    There are issues with Cleveland Browns receiver Odell Beckham that need to be resolved if he's going to be successful, but it's a mistake to attribute the dramatic improvement of the passing game entirely on the occurrence of his injury.

    Just in terms of what Mayfield was seeing from defenses, where his eyes are and how he was manipulating defenders is night and day from the earlier part of the season. In other words, if Beckham were healthy, there's every reason to believe he would be benefiting as much as every other weapon in this offense is currently.

    His money will be much better spent on the defensive side of the ball. Best of luck to him.  

  • @vambo said:

    https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/browns-maven-features/answering-the-odell-beckham-question

    There are issues with Cleveland Browns receiver Odell Beckham that need to be resolved if he's going to be successful, but it's a mistake to attribute the dramatic improvement of the passing game entirely on the occurrence of his injury.

    Just in terms of what Mayfield was seeing from defenses, where his eyes are and how he was manipulating defenders is night and day from the earlier part of the season. In other words, if Beckham were healthy, there's every reason to believe he would be benefiting as much as every other weapon in this offense is currently.

    His money will be much better spent on the defensive side of the ball. Best of luck to him.  

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @d-bone said:

    His money will be much better spent on the defensive side of the ball. Best of luck to him.  

    Do you think maybe we could have used him on Sunday? 

  • @d-bone said:

    His money will be much better spent on the defensive side of the ball. Best of luck to him.  

    Do you think maybe we could have used him on Sunday? 

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Do you think maybe we could have used him on Sunday? 

    He would been on the COVID list. 

  • @d-bone said:

    His money will be much better spent on the defensive side of the ball. Best of luck to him.  

    Do you think maybe we could have used him on Sunday? 

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Do you think maybe we could have used him on Sunday? 

    We could've used Jerry Rice and Flipper Anderson too.... and don't even get me started on the '85 Bears defense. 

  • nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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    Fuck Odell.. We don't need him...

  • Fuck Odell.. We don't need him...

    LBC mikeL LBC mike wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

    Fuck Odell.. We don't need him...

    having him in the field with the others makes hunt and chub lethal.

  • @nickers said:

    Fuck Odell.. We don't need him...

    having him in the field with the others makes hunt and chub lethal.

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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    @lbc-mike said:

    having him in the field with the others makes hunt and chub lethal.

    Having him on the field will force Baker into bad habits...

  • @lbc-mike said:

    having him in the field with the others makes hunt and chub lethal.

    Having him on the field will force Baker into bad habits...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

    Having him on the field will force Baker into bad habits...

    Or not,  Alicia. 

  • @lbc-mike said:

    having him in the field with the others makes hunt and chub lethal.

    Having him on the field will force Baker into bad habits...

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

    Having him on the field will force Baker BACK into bad habits...

    FIFY?

  • @nickers said:

    Having him on the field will force Baker into bad habits...

    Or not,  Alicia. 

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    Or not,  Alicia. 

    Relax , Karen!

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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    Show me again the new Stefon Diggs trade deal ?... than we might talk.?. If Josh Allen can do it? Baker can't? ? (ney!)

  • @the-gipper said:

    Or not,  Alicia. 

    Relax , Karen!

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

    Relax , Karen!

    I always am, Gomer.

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on last edited by
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    The great tragedy of OBJ getting hurt during the Bengals game is that he would have likely had 150 yards and 2 tds. I want to run it all back with our WRs. With a real offseason and everyone on the same page. 

  • IbleedbrownI Ibleedbrown wrote on last edited by
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    For shits and giggles l ran some numbers on Browns rushing stats this year with OBJ, and without OBJ. The theory here is that OBJ “stretches the field” and loosens up the run game.

    I counted the second Bengals game in the “without OBJ” column since he went down really early. Here’s what l came up with.

    With OBJ: 6 games/ 194 rushing attempts/ 1,017 yards/ 32.3 attempts per game/ 5.24 yards per carry

    Without OBJ: 9 games/ 270 rushing attempts/ 1,165 yards/ 30 attempts per game/ 4.31 yards per carry

    The most significant of those numbers is we were gaining almost and entire extra yard per carry with OBJ in there. In a game of inches, that’s like 33 of them. 

    The attempts columns were similar. We tried carrying it a little over 2 more times on average per game with OBJ as opposed to without. 
     

    I realize there’s other factors at play, but that’s at least some indication that having OBJ, or a guy like him, is good for the team.

  • @nickers said:

    Relax , Karen!

    I always am, Gomer.

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    I always am, Gomer.

    Now now , RuPaul... Don't over exert yourself LOL

  • For shits and giggles l ran some numbers on Browns rushing stats this year with OBJ, and without OBJ. The theory here is that OBJ “stretches the field” and loosens up the run game.

    I counted the second Bengals game in the “without OBJ” column since he went down really early. Here’s what l came up with.

    With OBJ: 6 games/ 194 rushing attempts/ 1,017 yards/ 32.3 attempts per game/ 5.24 yards per carry

    Without OBJ: 9 games/ 270 rushing attempts/ 1,165 yards/ 30 attempts per game/ 4.31 yards per carry

    The most significant of those numbers is we were gaining almost and entire extra yard per carry with OBJ in there. In a game of inches, that’s like 33 of them. 

    The attempts columns were similar. We tried carrying it a little over 2 more times on average per game with OBJ as opposed to without. 
     

    I realize there’s other factors at play, but that’s at least some indication that having OBJ, or a guy like him, is good for the team.

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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    @ibleedbrown said:

    For shits and giggles l ran some numbers on Browns rushing stats this year with OBJ, and without OBJ. The theory here is that OBJ “stretches the field” and loosens up the run game.

    I counted the second Bengals game in the “without OBJ” column since he went down really early. Here’s what l came up with.

    With OBJ: 6 games/ 194 rushing attempts/ 1,017 yards/ 32.3 attempts per game/ 5.24 yards per carry

    Without OBJ: 9 games/ 270 rushing attempts/ 1,165 yards/ 30 attempts per game/ 4.31 yards per carry

    The most significant of those numbers is we were gaining almost and entire extra yard per carry with OBJ in there. In a game of inches, that’s like 33 of them. 

    The attempts columns were similar. We tried carrying it a little over 2 more times on average per game with OBJ as opposed to without. 
     

    I realize there’s other factors at play, but that’s at least some indication that having OBJ, or a guy like him, is good for the team.

     I want his talent with out the attention whore antics...

  • @the-gipper said:

    I always am, Gomer.

    Now now , RuPaul... Don't over exert yourself LOL

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

    Now now , RuPaul... Don't over exert yourself LOL

    I never do Beevis. 

  • @ibleedbrown said:

    For shits and giggles l ran some numbers on Browns rushing stats this year with OBJ, and without OBJ. The theory here is that OBJ “stretches the field” and loosens up the run game.

    I counted the second Bengals game in the “without OBJ” column since he went down really early. Here’s what l came up with.

    With OBJ: 6 games/ 194 rushing attempts/ 1,017 yards/ 32.3 attempts per game/ 5.24 yards per carry

    Without OBJ: 9 games/ 270 rushing attempts/ 1,165 yards/ 30 attempts per game/ 4.31 yards per carry

    The most significant of those numbers is we were gaining almost and entire extra yard per carry with OBJ in there. In a game of inches, that’s like 33 of them. 

    The attempts columns were similar. We tried carrying it a little over 2 more times on average per game with OBJ as opposed to without. 
     

    I realize there’s other factors at play, but that’s at least some indication that having OBJ, or a guy like him, is good for the team.

     I want his talent with out the attention whore antics...

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

     I want his talent with out the attention whore antics...

    I can see that.  I want whores who give attention, not ones who demand it.  

  • @nickers said:

     I want his talent with out the attention whore antics...

    I can see that.  I want whores who give attention, not ones who demand it.  

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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    @the-gipper said:

    I can see that.  I want whores who give attention, not ones who demand it.  

    Amen to that...