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Stop with ND in the playoffs already

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  • @the-gipper said:

    I don't know....Is it?   

    yes

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #14

    @mld-woody said:

    yes

    Why do you think?

  • @mld-woody said:

    yes

    Why do you think?

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #15

    @the-gipper said:

    Why do you think?

    20 of the 28 possible slots have been 4 teams

    Bama or Clemson have been in every final but the first, and they've played each other 4 times (3 in the finals)

    The system allows the rich to get richer. There is a snowball effect with recruiting. Especially if the rich utilize bagmen. 

    The best chance to fix the system is NIL rights and/or paying the players. An expanded CFP wouldn't hurt though

  • @the-gipper said:

    Why do you think?

    20 of the 28 possible slots have been 4 teams

    Bama or Clemson have been in every final but the first, and they've played each other 4 times (3 in the finals)

    The system allows the rich to get richer. There is a snowball effect with recruiting. Especially if the rich utilize bagmen. 

    The best chance to fix the system is NIL rights and/or paying the players. An expanded CFP wouldn't hurt though

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
    #16

    @mld-woody said:

    20 of the 28 possible slots have been 4 teams

    Bama or Clemson have been in every final but the first, and they've played each other 4 times (3 in the finals)

    The system allows the rich to get richer. There is a snowball effect with recruiting. Especially if the rich utilize bagmen. 

    The best chance to fix the system is NIL rights and/or paying the players. An expanded CFP wouldn't hurt though

    At a minimum it should be an 8 team playoff which means 7 of the bowls. The rest can go to all other teams as usual. The only thing that I think all conferences should do is exactly what the SEC does. All bowl monies above expenses to the team going are put in the SEC pot and split equally among all SEC teams so that even in a zero win year, that team gets it's equal share.

  • @mld-woody said:

    20 of the 28 possible slots have been 4 teams

    Bama or Clemson have been in every final but the first, and they've played each other 4 times (3 in the finals)

    The system allows the rich to get richer. There is a snowball effect with recruiting. Especially if the rich utilize bagmen. 

    The best chance to fix the system is NIL rights and/or paying the players. An expanded CFP wouldn't hurt though

    At a minimum it should be an 8 team playoff which means 7 of the bowls. The rest can go to all other teams as usual. The only thing that I think all conferences should do is exactly what the SEC does. All bowl monies above expenses to the team going are put in the SEC pot and split equally among all SEC teams so that even in a zero win year, that team gets it's equal share.

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
    #17

    @texasag1969 said:

    The only thing that I think all conferences should do is exactly what the SEC does. All bowl monies above expenses to the team going are put in the SEC pot and split equally among all SEC teams so that even in a zero win year, that team gets it's equal share.

    The Big 10 has been doing this for decades. I'm pretty sure all the way back to Woody & Bo.

  • @mld-woody said:

    20 of the 28 possible slots have been 4 teams

    Bama or Clemson have been in every final but the first, and they've played each other 4 times (3 in the finals)

    The system allows the rich to get richer. There is a snowball effect with recruiting. Especially if the rich utilize bagmen. 

    The best chance to fix the system is NIL rights and/or paying the players. An expanded CFP wouldn't hurt though

    At a minimum it should be an 8 team playoff which means 7 of the bowls. The rest can go to all other teams as usual. The only thing that I think all conferences should do is exactly what the SEC does. All bowl monies above expenses to the team going are put in the SEC pot and split equally among all SEC teams so that even in a zero win year, that team gets it's equal share.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #18

    @texasag1969 said:

    At a minimum it should be an 8 team playoff which means 7 of the bowls. The rest can go to all other teams as usual. The only thing that I think all conferences should do is exactly what the SEC does. All bowl monies above expenses to the team going are put in the SEC pot and split equally among all SEC teams so that even in a zero win year, that team gets it's equal share.

    The big ten already shared revenue. In fact the big ten has the highest per team revenue. 

    Expanded playoffs will help. NIL would be big too.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    At a minimum it should be an 8 team playoff which means 7 of the bowls. The rest can go to all other teams as usual. The only thing that I think all conferences should do is exactly what the SEC does. All bowl monies above expenses to the team going are put in the SEC pot and split equally among all SEC teams so that even in a zero win year, that team gets it's equal share.

    The big ten already shared revenue. In fact the big ten has the highest per team revenue. 

    Expanded playoffs will help. NIL would be big too.

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
    #19

    @mld-woody said:

    The big ten already shared revenue. In fact the big ten has the highest per team revenue. 

    Expanded playoffs will help. NIL would be big too.

    I think it's a tough slippery slope regarding revenue sharing and paying players.

    Much of the revenue generated from football & basketball (at not only Big 10 schools) funds the other sports programs at the schools. I'm not sure it helps fund say, the science departments or english departments, etc. 

    The NCAA would have to change amateur rules, no? It would also effect athlete's who have Olympic dreams if they get paid (basketball in particular). 

    I do know some guys who played college football, and hear their horror stories about how they have to be careful in receiving any kind of financial aid. Even if their Aunts & Uncles want to send them $50 for Christmas it could be deemed illegal by the NCAA. It's a mess.

  • @mld-woody said:

    The big ten already shared revenue. In fact the big ten has the highest per team revenue. 

    Expanded playoffs will help. NIL would be big too.

    I think it's a tough slippery slope regarding revenue sharing and paying players.

    Much of the revenue generated from football & basketball (at not only Big 10 schools) funds the other sports programs at the schools. I'm not sure it helps fund say, the science departments or english departments, etc. 

    The NCAA would have to change amateur rules, no? It would also effect athlete's who have Olympic dreams if they get paid (basketball in particular). 

    I do know some guys who played college football, and hear their horror stories about how they have to be careful in receiving any kind of financial aid. Even if their Aunts & Uncles want to send them $50 for Christmas it could be deemed illegal by the NCAA. It's a mess.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #20

    @bob806 said:

    I think it's a tough slippery slope regarding revenue sharing and paying players.

    Much of the revenue generated from football & basketball (at not only Big 10 schools) funds the other sports programs at the schools. I'm not sure it helps fund say, the science departments or english departments, etc. 

    The NCAA would have to change amateur rules, no? It would also effect athlete's who have Olympic dreams if they get paid (basketball in particular). 

    I do know some guys who played college football, and hear their horror stories about how they have to be careful in receiving any kind of financial aid. Even if their Aunts & Uncles want to send them $50 for Christmas it could be deemed illegal by the NCAA. It's a mess.

    The NCAA would have to change their rules or schools would have to agree to leave the NCAA

    Schools are eating $20M+ buyouts while also cancelling non revenue sports. The illusion of football and basketball being amateur sports is dead. 

  • @bob806 said:

    I think it's a tough slippery slope regarding revenue sharing and paying players.

    Much of the revenue generated from football & basketball (at not only Big 10 schools) funds the other sports programs at the schools. I'm not sure it helps fund say, the science departments or english departments, etc. 

    The NCAA would have to change amateur rules, no? It would also effect athlete's who have Olympic dreams if they get paid (basketball in particular). 

    I do know some guys who played college football, and hear their horror stories about how they have to be careful in receiving any kind of financial aid. Even if their Aunts & Uncles want to send them $50 for Christmas it could be deemed illegal by the NCAA. It's a mess.

    The NCAA would have to change their rules or schools would have to agree to leave the NCAA

    Schools are eating $20M+ buyouts while also cancelling non revenue sports. The illusion of football and basketball being amateur sports is dead. 

    Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
    #21

    @mld-woody said:

    The NCAA would have to change their rules or schools would have to agree to leave the NCAA

    Schools are eating $20M+ buyouts while also cancelling non revenue sports. The illusion of football and basketball being amateur sports is dead. 

    It's all about the $$. Colleges typically raise tuition 5-6% every year, while many families never realize that in pay raises over a two or 3 year period.

    I'm not here to argue about illusions or not illusions about amateur sports. In my mind they are amateur sports, but the revenue generated sure isn't amateur, that's for sure.

  • @mld-woody said:

    The big ten already shared revenue. In fact the big ten has the highest per team revenue. 

    Expanded playoffs will help. NIL would be big too.

    I think it's a tough slippery slope regarding revenue sharing and paying players.

    Much of the revenue generated from football & basketball (at not only Big 10 schools) funds the other sports programs at the schools. I'm not sure it helps fund say, the science departments or english departments, etc. 

    The NCAA would have to change amateur rules, no? It would also effect athlete's who have Olympic dreams if they get paid (basketball in particular). 

    I do know some guys who played college football, and hear their horror stories about how they have to be careful in receiving any kind of financial aid. Even if their Aunts & Uncles want to send them $50 for Christmas it could be deemed illegal by the NCAA. It's a mess.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #22

    @bob806 said:

    I think it's a tough slippery slope regarding revenue sharing and paying players.

    Much of the revenue generated from football & basketball (at not only Big 10 schools) funds the other sports programs at the schools. I'm not sure it helps fund say, the science departments or english departments, etc. 

    The NCAA would have to change amateur rules, no? It would also effect athlete's who have Olympic dreams if they get paid (basketball in particular). 

    I do know some guys who played college football, and hear their horror stories about how they have to be careful in receiving any kind of financial aid. Even if their Aunts & Uncles want to send them $50 for Christmas it could be deemed illegal by the NCAA. It's a mess.

    Amateur rules for the Olympics have been thrown out long ago. Where have you been on this?  

  • @mld-woody said:

    The NCAA would have to change their rules or schools would have to agree to leave the NCAA

    Schools are eating $20M+ buyouts while also cancelling non revenue sports. The illusion of football and basketball being amateur sports is dead. 

    It's all about the $$. Colleges typically raise tuition 5-6% every year, while many families never realize that in pay raises over a two or 3 year period.

    I'm not here to argue about illusions or not illusions about amateur sports. In my mind they are amateur sports, but the revenue generated sure isn't amateur, that's for sure.

    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
    #23

    @bob806 said:

    It's all about the $$. Colleges typically raise tuition 5-6% every year, while many families never realize that in pay raises over a two or 3 year period.

    Some have not realized that over   10-20 year period. 

    I'm not here to argue about illusions or not illusions about amateur sports. In my mind they are amateur sports, but the revenue generated sure isn't amateur, that's for sure.

  • @mld-woody said:

    The NCAA would have to change their rules or schools would have to agree to leave the NCAA

    Schools are eating $20M+ buyouts while also cancelling non revenue sports. The illusion of football and basketball being amateur sports is dead. 

    It's all about the $$. Colleges typically raise tuition 5-6% every year, while many families never realize that in pay raises over a two or 3 year period.

    I'm not here to argue about illusions or not illusions about amateur sports. In my mind they are amateur sports, but the revenue generated sure isn't amateur, that's for sure.

    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
    #24

    @bob806 said:

    It's all about the $$. Colleges typically raise tuition 5-6% every year, while many families never realize that in pay raises over a two or 3 year period.

    I'm not here to argue about illusions or not illusions about amateur sports. In my mind they are amateur sports, but the revenue generated sure isn't amateur, that's for sure.

    Exactly. So continuing to allow the schools and the NCAA to play this guy is foolish. The players should be paid, and at worst they should get NIL rights. 

    The schools fighting this now are the ones benefiting from the current broken system that they're succeeding in by bending the rules are just completely cheating