Pittsburgh Issues
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The fact is the Steelers have a number of issues for next season, many of which have been discussed this morning on the TV sports talk shows:
1. There in Ben Rs salary. He is set to make 41 million. He says he is willing to take a massive pay cut. Per what I heard, per whatever rules, the least that he can take is 23 million.** But apparently even doing that would still put them at least 14 million over the cap...and they would have to trim to get down to there.
2. They may do that by the following: They may lose all of the following for next year: Conner, Dupree, Smith-Shuster who are Free Agents. Letting them go would mean losing those salaries. BUT if they want to keep TJ Watt and Minkah Fitzpatrick in the future it is time to sign them to extensions, which they may not be able to do with that cap space even if BR cuts his salary to the 23 million.
***I also hear that the NFLPA may intervene and say: BR, no way should you even think of taking that kind of a cut. They don't want to see QBs taking massive pay cuts. Of course, they may not care that if he is cut outright that he could go from 41 million to -0-. After all, if they did cut BR...who is going to sign him....in this atmosphere of many, many other younger QBs being available. He would probably have to retire.
3. They may be losing a chunk of their O-Line and have to rebuild there. Pouncey may retire. Villanueva may be gone. They have a rebuilding job there......and I think most people say that is not what you want to do with a 40 year old QB.
4. BR's skill set, even if they find a way to bring him back, is questionable. He no longer has the pocket mobility to avoid tacklers, nor can he shed those tacklers like he could when he was younger where he was one of the best ever at that. Also, as one guy on TV described it : He has become Checkdown Charlie. He can rarely spread the field with downfield passes like he once could.
5. Should they punt on BR? Let him go and go after another QB? Problem is they are NOT in a position to go after the two primary guys that may be available in a trade, either Watson or Stafford. Not and keep a team around them. No cap space. Plus, they don't have the resources. They would probably have to trade some of their top assets: Watt/Fitzpatrick/Claypool, plus multiple first round picks to get either of them. And what top FA QB can they sign? Prescott could ask like 35 million. They would have to come in around that 23 mill figure to get a QB...and the top FAs will go for far more. And if they do punt on BR....do they decide to "rebuild"? Do they give a chance to either Rudolph or Haskins who they have now? Do they draft a first round QB?
6. They don't have a running game to speak of. Conner may be gone and wasn't all that to begin with. They have a promising young guy from Maryland...McFarland, plus they have Snell and Samuels. Meh to those two. They likely will have to get lucky in the draft in a lower round.
7. Does Joe Haden have anything left? They have Minkah, but beyond that? again, meh.
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I thought Rudolph played rather well in the regular season finale. There were a couple passes where he wasn’t on the same page as his receiver, but aside from that he made some big time throws that game.
I would guess they let Ben give it a go if he wants one more shot at it, and they’ll restructure or do whatever needs to happen to make that happen. But Rudolph may be their dude going forward after Ben hangs it up.
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Ben is not going to make it slinging it 40+ times a game.
They need to fix their line and I don’t know how they do that given their constraints.
A good all purpose back would help.
They need to nail the draft
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He will be back and I highly doubt he's paid what he's owed. If he really wants guys like juju back he's going to need to sign an extension on a qualifying level with voidable years and bring his hit down. Tomlin is also doing these hires in the right way, bringing in a line coach before he hires an OC to make sure they jive and the candidates are pretty good. Fraley for the line and possibly pep hamilton at OC. Ben has already said he wants to be back so the only way he doesn't return is if the Steelers don't want him.
Emmm, doesn't sound good.
Emmm, doesn't sound good.
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season. I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back. John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract. He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
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BINGO!
Here is the difference nickers. He signed a contract with the steelers for vet minimum with ZERO guarantees. Soooooo you can't compare him to any of those guys. He's absolutely zero risk for the Steelers and anyone trying to paint it as a negative is being weird.
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Even if they cut Ben he still will count $23 million against the cap in dead money.
I don't know what gipper said but ben isn't being paid what his contract states. He's on record as is Art Rooney 2 that he cant come back on his current contract. I expect him to take a substantial pay cut, especially because he's saying he wants juju back.
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Ben is not going to make it slinging it 40+ times a game.
They need to fix their line and I don’t know how they do that given their constraints.
A good all purpose back would help.
They need to nail the draft
Ben is not going to make it slinging it 40+ times a game.
They need to fix their line and I don’t know how they do that given their constraints.
A good all purpose back would help.
They need to nail the draft
Are you guys paying attention to what is going on? A lot of this is out there on the national level. He's taking a pay cut, how much of one is unknown. Vance retiring immediately opened up over 5M and DeCastro and Heyward are supposedly going to restructure. All of which has opened the door to speculation that the Steelers could be as much as 30M under the cap. If Harris is there at 24 he very well could be the pick or they go lineman and I assume at this point if Ben comes back he's going to convince Pouncey to not retire. The issues aren't as rampant with Ben saying "i don't care about what I'm paid" on the record as people are making it out to be at this point.
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Emmm, doesn't sound good.
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season. I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back. John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract. He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season. I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back.
Boy you must really be high. See the thread on this matter. Even if BR accepts the 23 mill minimum, that still leaves them 14 mill over. You still have to cut a bunch.
John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract.
You and Clayton must be on LSD. Do you really think guys are going to go way way lowball just to stick with The Steelers? This ain't the 70s.
He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
Right now....January 29, 2021? No. Wait till the new NFL year starts. St. Patrick's Day may have a whole new meaning in Pisstown
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Even if they cut Ben he still will count $23 million against the cap in dead money.
I don't know what gipper said but ben isn't being paid what his contract states. He's on record as is Art Rooney 2 that he cant come back on his current contract. I expect him to take a substantial pay cut, especially because he's saying he wants juju back.
I don't know what gipper said but ben isn't being paid what his contract states. He's on record as is Art Rooney 2 that he cant come back on his current contract. I expect him to take a substantial pay cut, especially because he's saying he wants juju back.
Maybe your sorry ass should catch up on things happening with your own team. Even if he takes the max pay cut....over NFLPA objections....it is still not enough to sign S-S. With that, and even if Vance's 5 mill goes off, according to the news today they would still be 9 million over. Where do you get that they could be 30 million under.
Does anyone with a brain out there have any actual data?
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Emmm, doesn't sound good.
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season. I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back. John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract. He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season.
Sure, he doesn't.
I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back.
Hmmm, how steep?
John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract.
Pure speculation.
He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
Nothing bad? Being burdened with a washed up QB, TONS of players walking on a team that went 1-4 down the stretch before being BLOWN OUT at home in the 1st week of the playoffs? You could be looking at the basement of north, at best 3rd place. Tomlin is likely to have his 1st taste of a losing season.
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I have come up with a few things. Here are just some blurbs:
With McDonald's retirement, the Steelers have a projected deficit of $24 million dollars should there be a $180 million dollar salary cap, per Spotrac. Wherever the final cap number rests, Pittsburgh will inevitably have work to do in order to be in compliance by the first league day of the year, March 17.
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QB Ben Roethlisberger
Cap Number: $41 million
Dead Money: $22.25 million
Potential Savings: $19 millionthat $41 million cap number is the highest in the NFL, and quite frankly, it needs to come down a few notches. This can be accomplished by a simple contract extension, spreading Roethlisberger's money down the line a few years and potentially freeing up $14.3 million dollars for 2021.
It appears as if there are two routes the Steelers will take when it comes to Roethlisberger. Should he retire, they will save $19 million dollars in cap space. Should he wish to return, an extension is crucial in allowing more financial freedom for the front office.
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Given the severe lack of depth behind Joe Haden, a very small chance of signing meaningful players in free agency and the organization's lack of success drafting at the position, Haden likely sticks around as the team's best cornerback despite also being one of the oldest players on the team.
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More on their potential players they may have to cut:
https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/gm-report/pittsburgh-steelers-cap-casualty-options
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Here is the difference nickers. He signed a contract with the steelers for vet minimum with ZERO guarantees. Soooooo you can't compare him to any of those guys. He's absolutely zero risk for the Steelers and anyone trying to paint it as a negative is being weird.
I get that... But he brings an awful lot of baggage... It has to be pretty hard for him to swallow the fact that he basically failed in his hometown (Was DC)... You can only hope he grows up and uses that as part of fueling his own personal motivation.. But myself... I wasn't real high on him as a potential pro... I feel the same way about Justin Fields... I just see things they do that causes me to think.. Huge mental gaff moments... Physically.. He's as talented as they come...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season.
Sure, he doesn't.
I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back.
Hmmm, how steep?
John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract.
Pure speculation.
He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
Nothing bad? Being burdened with a washed up QB, TONS of players walking on a team that went 1-4 down the stretch before being BLOWN OUT at home in the 1st week of the playoffs? You could be looking at the basement of north, at best 3rd place. Tomlin is likely to have his 1st taste of a losing season.
So are we just making shit up now or what? Who has walked? Vance McDonald retired. Who else you got? Look man you can either be like the group of mouth breathers that just spew or you can actually back up what you say. You won 1 playoff game in how many years? Now you think you run the division? I don't think you or anyone else realize just how bad Randy Fichtner was as an OC. Ben coming back is only a benefit as he can either mentor a new QB or give us the best chance to win some games next season. No one knows what sort of money he is expecting but it won't be on the current sum of his contract. Art Rooney has already stated that publicly. I also already posted about how in theory there could be 30M in room with two restructures, vance retiring and ben taking less money and potential for even more depending on ben. I guess we are going to find. Better hope the Steelers don't draft Harris. lol
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Here is the difference nickers. He signed a contract with the steelers for vet minimum with ZERO guarantees. Soooooo you can't compare him to any of those guys. He's absolutely zero risk for the Steelers and anyone trying to paint it as a negative is being weird.
I get that... But he brings an awful lot of baggage... It has to be pretty hard for him to swallow the fact that he basically failed in his hometown (Was DC)... You can only hope he grows up and uses that as part of fueling his own personal motivation.. But myself... I wasn't real high on him as a potential pro... I feel the same way about Justin Fields... I just see things they do that causes me to think.. Huge mental gaff moments... Physically.. He's as talented as they come...
I get that... But he brings an awful lot of baggage... It has to be pretty hard for him to swallow the fact that he basically failed in his hometown (Was DC)... You can only hope he grows up and uses that as part of fueling his own personal motivation.. But myself... I wasn't real high on him as a potential pro... I feel the same way about Justin Fields... I just see things they do that causes me to think.. Huge mental gaff moments... Physically.. He's as talented as they come...
He's not being asked to be anything. He's bottom of the depth chart with zero contract guarantees. The Steelers are kicking the tires. If he turns it around it's a tremendous value and if he doesn't he gets cut. Here is something a lot of people don't realize. If he comes out and plays well he's a RFA and if someone wants to sign him his tender is a first rounder based on draft position soooo in theory if the Steelers don't want to keep the guy but he's desirable he could net them a first for next to zero. It's literally ZERO risk even with the baggage and the baggage is a lack of maturity, it's not a drug problem or a beating women problem. Pittsburgh aint exactly known for it's strip joints either. lol
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So are we just making shit up now or what? Who has walked? Vance McDonald retired. Who else you got? Look man you can either be like the group of mouth breathers that just spew or you can actually back up what you say. You won 1 playoff game in how many years? Now you think you run the division? I don't think you or anyone else realize just how bad Randy Fichtner was as an OC. Ben coming back is only a benefit as he can either mentor a new QB or give us the best chance to win some games next season. No one knows what sort of money he is expecting but it won't be on the current sum of his contract. Art Rooney has already stated that publicly. I also already posted about how in theory there could be 30M in room with two restructures, vance retiring and ben taking less money and potential for even more depending on ben. I guess we are going to find. Better hope the Steelers don't draft Harris. lol
Better hope the Steelers don't draft Harris. lol
drafting Bama's RB Najee Harris would make complete sense.. while I keep seeing mocked lineman going to Pitt..
What position was Oh Canada holding on your staff last season?
You good with Keith Butler returning?
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