Baker Mayfield
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somebody should create a poll on which new age QB will be first to win a Super Bowl. Minus Pat Mahomes because he already won.
Mac Jones
Trevor Lawerence
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Lamar Jackson
Baker Mayfield
Justin Herbert
Tua Tagovailoa
Kyler Murray
Jalen Hurts
Did I miss any?
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Lamar Jackass still threw the same amount of interceptions... HEALTHY!
Jackson
Pct Yds TD Int Sck QBR 64.4 2,882 16 13 38 94.5 Mayfield
3,010Passing yards17Passing touchdowns13InterceptionsA classic Baker apologist post, cherry picking some random stat from another QB to justify Baker's shittyness.
Here's some real, actual data comparing all starting QB's in 2021. The key stat is not how many interceptions, but how many interceptions per attempt. You'll note Baker was 4th worst in interceptions per attempt in the entire NFL. The only QB's worse were Justin Fields, Mike Glennon, and Zach Wilson - two rookies and a 3rd string QB thrust into the starting role due to injuries - all on terrible teams. No matter how you spin it, Baker was complete dog shit this year.
NAME SEASON TM GP INT ATT INTERCEPTIONS PER ATTEMPT Justin Fields Justin Fields 2021 CHICHI 12 159 13.25 Mike Glennon Mike Glennon 2021 NYGNYG 6 90 15 Zach Wilson Zach Wilson 2021 NYJNYJ 13 213 16.38461538 Baker Mayfield Baker Mayfield 2021 CLECLE 14 253 18.07142857 Andy Dalton Andy Dalton 2021 CHICHI 8 149 18.625 Taylor Heinicke Taylor Heinicke 2021 WASWAS 16 321 20.0625 Jimmy Garoppolo Jimmy Garoppolo 2021 SFSF 15 301 20.06666667 Tua Tagovailoa Tua Tagovailoa 2021 MIAMIA 13 263 20.23076923 Davis Mills Davis Mills 2021 HOUHOU 13 263 20.23076923 Sam Darnold Sam Darnold 2021 CARCAR 12 243 20.25 Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson 2021 BALBAL 12 246 20.5 Mac Jones Mac Jones 2021 NENE 17 352 20.70588235 Ryan Tannehill Ryan Tannehill 2021 TENTEN 17 357 21 Trevor Lawrence Trevor Lawrence 2021 JAXJAX 17 359 21.11764706 Matt Ryan Matt Ryan 2021 ATLATL 17 375 22.05882353 Joe Burrow Joe Burrow 2021 CINCIN 16 366 22.875 Matthew Stafford Matthew Stafford 2021 LARLAR 17 404 23.76470588 Kyler Murray Kyler Murray 2021 ARIARI 14 333 23.78571429 Josh Allen Josh Allen 2021 BUFBUF 17 409 24.05882353 Ben Roethlisberger Ben Roethlisberger 2021 PITPIT 16 390 24.375 Derek Carr Derek Carr 2021 LVLV 17 428 25.17647059 Dak Prescott Dak Prescott 2021 DALDAL 16 410 25.625 Patrick Mahomes Patrick Mahomes 2021 KCKC 17 436 25.64705882 Justin Herbert Justin Herbert 2021 LACLAC 17 443 26.05882353 Tom Brady Tom Brady 2021 TBTB 17 485 28.52941176 A classic Baker apologist post, cherry picking some random stat from another QB to justify Baker's shittyness.
Here's some real, actual data comparing all starting QB's in 2021. The key stat is not how many interceptions, but how many interceptions per attempt. You'll note Baker was 4th worst in interceptions per attempt in the entire NFL. The only QB's worse were Justin Fields, Mike Glennon, and Zach Wilson - two rookies and a 3rd string QB thrust into the starting role due to injuries - all on terrible teams. No matter how you spin it, Baker was complete dog shit this year.
NAME SEASON TM GP INT ATT INTERCEPTIONS PER ATTEMPT Justin Fields Justin Fields 2021 CHICHI 12 159 13.25 Mike Glennon Mike Glennon 2021 NYGNYG 6 90 15 Zach Wilson Zach Wilson 2021 NYJNYJ 13 213 16.38461538 Baker Mayfield Baker Mayfield 2021 CLECLE 14 253 18.07142857 Andy Dalton Andy Dalton 2021 CHICHI 8 149 18.625 Taylor Heinicke Taylor Heinicke 2021 WASWAS 16 321 20.0625 Jimmy Garoppolo Jimmy Garoppolo 2021 SFSF 15 301 20.06666667 Tua Tagovailoa Tua Tagovailoa 2021 MIAMIA 13 263 20.23076923 Davis Mills Davis Mills 2021 HOUHOU 13 263 20.23076923 Sam Darnold Sam Darnold 2021 CARCAR 12 243 20.25 Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson 2021 BALBAL 12 246 20.5 Mac Jones Mac Jones 2021 NENE 17 352 20.70588235 Ryan Tannehill Ryan Tannehill 2021 TENTEN 17 357 21 Trevor Lawrence Trevor Lawrence 2021 JAXJAX 17 359 21.11764706 Matt Ryan Matt Ryan 2021 ATLATL 17 375 22.05882353 Joe Burrow Joe Burrow 2021 CINCIN 16 366 22.875 Matthew Stafford Matthew Stafford 2021 LARLAR 17 404 23.76470588 Kyler Murray Kyler Murray 2021 ARIARI 14 333 23.78571429 Josh Allen Josh Allen 2021 BUFBUF 17 409 24.05882353 Ben Roethlisberger Ben Roethlisberger 2021 PITPIT 16 390 24.375 Derek Carr Derek Carr 2021 LVLV 17 428 25.17647059 Dak Prescott Dak Prescott 2021 DALDAL 16 410 25.625 Patrick Mahomes Patrick Mahomes 2021 KCKC 17 436 25.64705882 Justin Herbert Justin Herbert 2021 LACLAC 17 443 26.05882353 Tom Brady Tom Brady 2021 TBTB 17 485 28.52941176 You are complete dog shit EVERY YEAR!
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A classic Baker apologist post, cherry picking some random stat from another QB to justify Baker's shittyness.
Here's some real, actual data comparing all starting QB's in 2021. The key stat is not how many interceptions, but how many interceptions per attempt. You'll note Baker was 4th worst in interceptions per attempt in the entire NFL. The only QB's worse were Justin Fields, Mike Glennon, and Zach Wilson - two rookies and a 3rd string QB thrust into the starting role due to injuries - all on terrible teams. No matter how you spin it, Baker was complete dog shit this year.
NAME SEASON TM GP INT ATT INTERCEPTIONS PER ATTEMPT Justin Fields Justin Fields 2021 CHICHI 12 159 13.25 Mike Glennon Mike Glennon 2021 NYGNYG 6 90 15 Zach Wilson Zach Wilson 2021 NYJNYJ 13 213 16.38461538 Baker Mayfield Baker Mayfield 2021 CLECLE 14 253 18.07142857 Andy Dalton Andy Dalton 2021 CHICHI 8 149 18.625 Taylor Heinicke Taylor Heinicke 2021 WASWAS 16 321 20.0625 Jimmy Garoppolo Jimmy Garoppolo 2021 SFSF 15 301 20.06666667 Tua Tagovailoa Tua Tagovailoa 2021 MIAMIA 13 263 20.23076923 Davis Mills Davis Mills 2021 HOUHOU 13 263 20.23076923 Sam Darnold Sam Darnold 2021 CARCAR 12 243 20.25 Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson 2021 BALBAL 12 246 20.5 Mac Jones Mac Jones 2021 NENE 17 352 20.70588235 Ryan Tannehill Ryan Tannehill 2021 TENTEN 17 357 21 Trevor Lawrence Trevor Lawrence 2021 JAXJAX 17 359 21.11764706 Matt Ryan Matt Ryan 2021 ATLATL 17 375 22.05882353 Joe Burrow Joe Burrow 2021 CINCIN 16 366 22.875 Matthew Stafford Matthew Stafford 2021 LARLAR 17 404 23.76470588 Kyler Murray Kyler Murray 2021 ARIARI 14 333 23.78571429 Josh Allen Josh Allen 2021 BUFBUF 17 409 24.05882353 Ben Roethlisberger Ben Roethlisberger 2021 PITPIT 16 390 24.375 Derek Carr Derek Carr 2021 LVLV 17 428 25.17647059 Dak Prescott Dak Prescott 2021 DALDAL 16 410 25.625 Patrick Mahomes Patrick Mahomes 2021 KCKC 17 436 25.64705882 Justin Herbert Justin Herbert 2021 LACLAC 17 443 26.05882353 Tom Brady Tom Brady 2021 TBTB 17 485 28.52941176 You are complete dog shit EVERY YEAR!
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The only brain damaged people in this thread are the one's who think Baker is leading us to a Super Bowl. I imagine the brain damage has occurred from years of alcohol abuse (probably due to the Browns) and regularly overdosing on Lawson's chip dip.
o.k so who who gonna get to replace him ?
o.k so who who gonna get to replace him ?
...and so this is the $64k question. But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker. Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby. We know that OBJ was not very productive here. Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
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Do you feel better about yourself now nickers?
No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.
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Do you feel better about yourself now nickers?
No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.
No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.
Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.
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o.k so who who gonna get to replace him ?
...and so this is the $64k question. But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker. Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby. We know that OBJ was not very productive here. Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
...and so this is the $64k question. But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker. Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby. We know that OBJ was not very productive here. Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
is it me or did baker seem to be better in the shotgun ?
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So, what do you think we would have to give up for Joe Burrow?
Nothing, because it'll never happen. Just a dream scenario.
As for who can turn it around? Baker is a good candidate provided he commits to film study and cut out the terrible decision making. That's all this offense needs to at least be reliable.
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...and so this is the $64k question. But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker. Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby. We know that OBJ was not very productive here. Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
is it me or did baker seem to be better in the shotgun ?
is it me or did baker seem to be better in the shotgun ?
It's just you. Bakers numbers from the gun, especially on straight drops, have been bad since Oklahoma.
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o.k so who who gonna get to replace him ?
...and so this is the $64k question. But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker. Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby. We know that OBJ was not very productive here. Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
...and so this is the $64k question. But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker. Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby. We know that OBJ was not very productive here. Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
This reminded me of something I read a few years ago about Stefanski's time as OC in Minnesota. I did some digging and came up with this article from 2020 about why Stefon Diggs decided to leave the Vikings:
Stefon Diggs finally admits why he wanted out of Minnesota
"Minnesota finished with the second-most rushing attempts in 2017 when they went 13-3 and made it all the way to the NFC Championship. Then the Vikings offense got pass-happy under new offensive coordinator John DeFilippo in 2018 and Zimmer made it clear multiple times throughout the season that he wanted the team to run the ball more like they did in 2017.
DeFilippo didn’t listen to Minnesota’s head coach and it resulted in him getting fired before the 2018 season even ended.
Then Zimmer made Kevin Stefanski his offensive coordinator and the Vikings brought in Gary Kubiak to be an offensive adviser. Kubiak’s offensive scheme is known for its zone-blocking rushing attack and Minnesota wanted to implement his methods into their offense".
What struck me is the similarities between Diggs' criticism of the Vikings offensive scheme under Stefanski and OBJ and Co's critique of Stefanski as HC of the Browns. Stefanski is a disciple of Kubiak's system, so he priorities the running game over the passing game, perhaps to the detriment of the latter. It's all well and good to establish the run to help set up the passing game, but - to me at least - Stefanski relies too much on the running game and does not have a good enough passing game plan to compensate if that run game is shut down by opposing D's. Perhaps we don't have the personnel at WR to help stretch the field, but when you see that OBJ's performance in the final half of the 2021 season exceeded his production for the past year and a half with the Browns, barring injuries, it gets harder to blame OBJ being a diva as the sole reason for his lack of production with the Browns.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
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Do you feel better about yourself now nickers?
No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.
No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.
What do you think about this, calfox?
Oh...
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No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.
Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.
Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.
Village idiots here? Say it ain't so!!?
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No fair using stats against stats on this board. Applies double on the poliboard.
Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.
Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.
The nice thing is, some of them kind of "self-identify" by using communist-themed profile pics, so at least you can see them coming. ?
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Haha yeah I'm noticing that. If you counter the insanity with rational thought to some of the village idiots on here, you are met with immediate scorn.
The nice thing is, some of them kind of "self-identify" by using communist-themed profile pics, so at least you can see them coming. ?
some of them kind of "self-identify" by using communist-themed profile pics, so at least you can see them coming. ?
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o.k so who who gonna get to replace him ?
...and so this is the $64k question. But it's possible that the whole problem is more than just Baker. Perhaps part of it has to do with our offensive passing scheme...which of course is Stef's baby. We know that OBJ was not very productive here. Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
I say if you can’t ask OBJ ask his Father. I’m sure he’ll elaborate, possibly with video ?
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Opinions aside, Baker will be the Browns QB next season. Deal with it.
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Is it all on Baker? I wish that I could ask OBJ why he just absolutely had to leave a pretty successful team (at the time of his departure we were still thought to be) right in the middle of the season.
I say if you can’t ask OBJ ask his Father. I’m sure he’ll elaborate, possibly with video ?
I say if you can’t ask OBJ ask his Father. I’m sure he’ll elaborate, possibly with video ?
The screenshot rolling around on the twittersphere and Instagram of Odell being "open" against San Diego was the lead off on his fathers clip.
Somewhere in this thread I broke down how that really wasn't Bakers "fault" given the play design vs what the bolts defense was showing. However Baker isn't completely absolved from that play. My breakdown was fair.
It only highlighted how few people actually apply context and have the ability to do the work for themselves to find the answers. Or worse, how few people are willing to do it. The overwhelming majority will see something and align wherever their disposition previously held.
I trust odells dads video like I trust an arsonist watching my home.
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