Baker Mayfield
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Which is the case in about 32 NFL towns every week. Elite don't grow on trees.
So you surround him with all you can (which we've still yet to do) and.... soldier on.
Said it a couple days ago... time to shut BAKER down.... get him fixed and let him heal so we can at least evaluate his repair.
You'll be happy to know the majority 60% of the WKNR poll agrees with you. With the Thursday night game and the mini-bye, it's obvious what the Browns should do. That shoulder is never going to be "right" for the rest of the season. Off season surgery is almost a foregone conclusion.
We can beat Denver with Keenum behind center- IF Chubb and Landry are healed up enough to play.
You'll be happy to know the majority 60% of the WKNR poll agrees with you. With the Thursday night game and the mini-bye, it's obvious what the Browns should do. That shoulder is never going to be "right" for the rest of the season. Off season surgery is almost a foregone conclusion.
We can beat Denver with Keenum behind center- IF Chubb and Landry are healed up enough to play.
don't think chubb is playing....keenum will probably end up playing and he may be carted off the field by time the game is over...denver probably wins this one and puts the browns out of its misery....hey, this is cleveland browns football...don't you know this by now......whatever can go wrong, will go wrong...
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You'll be happy to know the majority 60% of the WKNR poll agrees with you. With the Thursday night game and the mini-bye, it's obvious what the Browns should do. That shoulder is never going to be "right" for the rest of the season. Off season surgery is almost a foregone conclusion.
We can beat Denver with Keenum behind center- IF Chubb and Landry are healed up enough to play.
don't think chubb is playing....keenum will probably end up playing and he may be carted off the field by time the game is over...denver probably wins this one and puts the browns out of its misery....hey, this is cleveland browns football...don't you know this by now......whatever can go wrong, will go wrong...
don't think chubb is playing....keenum will probably end up playing and he may be carted off the field by time the game is over...denver probably wins this one and puts the browns out of its misery....hey, this is cleveland browns football...don't you know this by now......whatever can go wrong, will go wrong...
yeah... Keep the negative attitude going... That's a LOSER mentality..
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Zombo said:
Baker's labrum is completely torn, he's playing, suck it.
Z
You'd probably want him out there if he had a broken arm.
DON'T try and minimize it Z. It's a significant injury that will take 4-6 weeks to heal after off season surgery, and another 6 weeks of rehab to be back to normal.
If it was his throwing shoulder- he'd be done for the year.
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I have a concern with Stef now. Baker has a big personality, and you have to be able to deliver bad news - he shouldn't be playing.
The oline isn't going to be at full strength, you're facing a better pass rush than last week and Baker isn't going to be magically healed. It would take a minor miracle to have his accuracy improved from last week along with his penchant for holding onto the ball.
I just don't see this as a winning recipe without severely cutting down the playbook.
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great fucking movie infact i have that tee shirt
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Zombo said:
He had a 102.4 rating today, with one arm, his two starting tackles out, his best wr out, and his best running back out.
And we've given up 84 points in 2 weeks.
So, maybe take a different angle on this.
Z
QBR is garbage, we've been through this.
One arm? Then Keenum should play, I suggested as much when he injured his shoulder. Remember we had this chat last week and you said "He'll defeat his injury like his opponent". Defeat, Z... like having half your arm being useless is somehow the colonists beating the British. You won't find me arguing about the rest of the personnel, but Bakers decision making, when given the opportunity to make a smart play or a play that wouldn't hurt the team, was incredibly subpar. So while his left arm might be bad, his mind shouldn't be.
You also said "he'll earn your respect back". Baker never didn't have my respect, but you take my observations as overly critical as opposed to what they are - in depth offerings.
Bakers average depth of target is slowly decreasing, it started happening before his injury. The line play hasn't been great, but Baker hasn't been good enough to compensate either. This team is in a funky combination of issues with health and quality of play. I don't see any one player being the sole cause, but the largest microscope will always be put on the guy that always has the ball in his hands.
QBR is garbage, we've been through this.
One arm? Then Keenum should play, I suggested as much when he injured his shoulder. Remember we had this chat last week and you said "He'll defeat his injury like his opponent". Defeat, Z... like having half your arm being useless is somehow the colonists beating the British. You won't find me arguing about the rest of the personnel, but Bakers decision making, when given the opportunity to make a smart play or a play that wouldn't hurt the team, was incredibly subpar. So while his left arm might be bad, his mind shouldn't be.
You also said "he'll earn your respect back". Baker never didn't have my respect, but you take my observations as overly critical as opposed to what they are - in depth offerings.
Bakers average depth of target is slowly decreasing, it started happening before his injury. The line play hasn't been great, but Baker hasn't been good enough to compensate either. This team is in a funky combination of issues with health and quality of play. I don't see any one player being the sole cause, but the largest microscope will always be put on the guy that always has the ball in his hands.
well put......
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Zombo said:
Baker's labrum is completely torn, he's playing, suck it.
Z
You'd probably want him out there if he had a broken arm.
DON'T try and minimize it Z. It's a significant injury that will take 4-6 weeks to heal after off season surgery, and another 6 weeks of rehab to be back to normal.
If it was his throwing shoulder- he'd be done for the year.
You'd probably want him out there if he had a broken arm.
DON'T try and minimize it Z. It's a significant injury that will take 4-6 weeks to heal after off season surgery, and another 6 weeks of rehab to be back to normal.
If it was his throwing shoulder- he'd be done for the year.
he will end up like rg3 if he does not watch himself and let his ego get in the way.....best to sit out the rest of the season for his own good whether he is in cleve next yr or not....shoulder injury took its toll on poor ole bernie....derrick thomas ended his career.......
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I have a concern with Stef now. Baker has a big personality, and you have to be able to deliver bad news - he shouldn't be playing.
The oline isn't going to be at full strength, you're facing a better pass rush than last week and Baker isn't going to be magically healed. It would take a minor miracle to have his accuracy improved from last week along with his penchant for holding onto the ball.
I just don't see this as a winning recipe without severely cutting down the playbook.
. I just don't see this as a winning recipe without severely cutting down the playbook.
Either he gets put on the shelf and gets surgery, and his season is over, or he continues to play, with middling results.
Either way, this could very well torpedo the Browns attempt at a long playoff run.
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Thanks U... maybe it's not as bad as I initially thought, but it's still not good... Baker has his 10 days off, but if it was me, I'd sit him a couple more games. Other than having Hunt and JOK on IR, if everyone else is full go, MHO is we can take the Steelers with Keenum at QB.
Baker is one tough dude, that shoulder has to hurt like hell. From personal experience- my wife fractured her humerus head in a skiing accident, and they put her on some heavy duty narcotic pain killers for the trip back to Ohio.
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Zombo said:
With all due respect, Baker is not your wife. And he's worth 7 points a week over Case. He's playing, fuck the shoulder, he has the Super Bowl until the Thursday Night opener next year to have surgery and heal.
Z
Just stop with the rah, rah sis boom bah with Baker already. Or did you miss that background stuff where his pain level is so high, it's affecting his sleep, and the shoulder is swelling up? Stuff like that can't affect his play? Sorry Z, Mayfield will play when the Medical Staff says it's safe for him to play, and not until. Or would you rather trot him out there and see that shoulder get even more screwed up than it already is- (easily could happen) and have Case quarterbacking the team for the rest of the year?
You want my opinion? We're getting Chubb and Conklin back for the Steelers. Minus Baker, we'll be as close to full strength as we've been since the opener. Sit him one additional week- based on that, we should be able to beat Pittsburg with Keenum at quarterback. LOL, or you going to be oblivious that Watt & Company are already making plans- if Baker is in there, make sure when you sack him- he lands on that left shoulder.
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Zombo said:
We are 0-55 Super Bowls so far.
This is the best roster we have had in those 55 years.
Shoot him up and send him out there... Case Keenum is just a guy ... Baker is a Legend In Waiting.
Z
Of course he'll be a Cleveland Legend IF he wins a Super Bowl. Doubtless he's the best QB we've had since Bernie, and before that Otto. But I don't think there's anyone on the Board old enough to remember seeing him play. My 90+ year old Mom probably does though.
From my medical perspective, it's just not that simple as "shooting a guy up" and sending him out there to face the opposition. Ballpeen and me happen to agree... Sending Mayfield to face the Steelers and Watt is (to my mind) tossing a bloodied Baker into a shark tank.
PS- don't forget that "just a guy" Nick Foles won a Super Bowl when #1 QB Carson Wentz was shelved. The Browns have some quality depth darn near everywhere, learn to appreciate it.
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Zombo said:
We are 0-55 Super Bowls so far.
This is the best roster we have had in those 55 years.
Shoot him up and send him out there... Case Keenum is just a guy ... Baker is a Legend In Waiting.
Z
Of course he'll be a Cleveland Legend IF he wins a Super Bowl. Doubtless he's the best QB we've had since Bernie, and before that Otto. But I don't think there's anyone on the Board old enough to remember seeing him play. My 90+ year old Mom probably does though.
From my medical perspective, it's just not that simple as "shooting a guy up" and sending him out there to face the opposition. Ballpeen and me happen to agree... Sending Mayfield to face the Steelers and Watt is (to my mind) tossing a bloodied Baker into a shark tank.
PS- don't forget that "just a guy" Nick Foles won a Super Bowl when #1 QB Carson Wentz was shelved. The Browns have some quality depth darn near everywhere, learn to appreciate it.
P.S.- don't forget that "just a guy" Nick Foles won a Super Bowl when #1 QB Carson Wentz was shelved. The Browns have some quality depth darn near everywhere, learn to appreciate it.
Ya... But Nick Foles had a pretty awesome deep ball in his day.... We better hope the OLine and Chubb or Hunt are ready to go soon. Cause we ain't throwing deep with Case...
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So is an extra week of rest going to untear his ligament? If not, then my eye test saw that Case with 2 arms is the better option than Baker with 1.
I like Baker and think he is the best QB the Browns have had since Vinny ( < I'm sure that triggered more than 1 of you) and I really do hope he plays his entire career in Brown & Orange, but at this moment in time there is a better option already on the team.
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Baker had one bad game this season, and the national media, the local media, and a lot of the fans have decided that he is an average qb. Why doesn't it work that way for Mahomes or Jackson? They play like crap, and the blame is shifted to the o line, dropped passes, or anything else. Right now, as of today, Mayfield's qb rating is 97.8. Lamar Jackson is 97.7, and Mahomes is 97.9. You would think Mayfield would be light years behind those 2, just because of the way the media acts. I've decided not to give up on Baker yet. We tend to forget some of the amazing passes he's thrown, not just this season, but over the past 4 seasons. I believe he is the franchise qb. I also believe he has the potential to be the long term answer for us. The problem is, I also believe he has a fragile ego. He listens to his critics and gets stressed, which affects his performance. The shoulder injury doesn't help. While I would like to see him get back in there and play, I have a feeling he's done for the season. If that's the case, we are all done for the season. I like Case Keenum as a back up, for a game or 2, but he's not Baker...not by a long shot.
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Merge with other Baker thread
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I think Baker is fine.
He's top10 overall and above Dak in AY/A at 8.5 vs Dak's 8.4. That's addressing how deep the shots are and if he's hitting them.
By way of comparison, Darnold's AY/A was solid weeks 1-3 and was something like 1.5 vs Philly... which definitely matches the eye test, Darnold has been abysmal since week4.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
So is an extra week of rest going to untear his ligament? If not, then my eye test saw that Case with 2 arms is the better option than Baker with 1.
I like Baker and think he is the best QB the Browns have had since Vinny ( < I'm sure that triggered more than 1 of you) and I really do hope he plays his entire career in Brown & Orange, but at this moment in time there is a better option already on the team.
So is an extra week of rest going to untear his ligament? If not, then my eye test saw that Case with 2 arms is the better option than Baker with 1.
I like Baker and think he is the best QB the Browns have had since Vinny ( < I'm sure that triggered more than 1 of you) and I really do hope he plays his entire career in Brown & Orange, but at this moment in time there is a better option already on the team.
To say it a bit differently, I feel like the Browns can win a very similar game to what we did last week against Pittsburgh at home. This feeling is only emboldened assuming (well, hoping) that Conklin and Chubb are back as well. Assuming Mayfield isn't going to go under the knife, is it worth another week of rest?
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