Baker Mayfield
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Obviously he looked poor today, but I think we're missing the fact he's a little more dinged up in that shoulder than he and the team are leading on.
Mayfield's 'problem' has never been accuracy. You saw the accuracy there the first two weeks. What changed week 3? A huge pop on the shoulder, albeit non-throwing. I could have been seeing what I wanted to see, but I swear I noticed a wince on 3-4 throws down the field. It's my understanding as well that he's wearing a protective device that maybe needs to be reconsidered. Baker was clearly playing at a top 10-12 level from the back half of 2020 through first two weeks this year-hopefully this injury is the problem.
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I just believe baker is better without OBJ is out there
it is true it's bakers problem not OBj's. he was open all day and baker kept missing him.
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We can run the ballWe can stop the run.
We can defend the pass
We can rush the passer
Special Teams aside from a dropped punt snap have been very good.
We haven’t been plagued by penalties
Passing game while working well at times is still a work in progress
We could protect the ball better (but 0 turnovers today)
QB play needs to improve.
It is October 3 and this is a very good team
We’ve played an elite offense, a very good offense, a great defense and we’ve played in two tough environments.
Chargers are next they will play a physical division game against the Raiders. That series is always physical and the games are ugly…we are fortunate to catch them next week.
We can run the ballWe can stop the run.
We can defend the pass
We can rush the passer
Special Teams aside from a dropped punt snap have been very good.
We haven’t been plagued by penalties
Passing game while working well at times is still a work in progress
We could protect the ball better (but 0 turnovers today)
QB play needs to improve.
It is October 3 and this is a very good team
We’ve played an elite offense, a very good offense, a great defense and we’ve played in two tough environments.
Chargers are next they will play a physical division game against the Raiders. That series is always physical and the games are ugly…we are fortunate to catch them next week.
so what you are saying is we are good QB play away from a super bowl? not great qb play just good.
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Maybe if he puts "Stop Overthrowing Open Receivers" on the back of his helmet would bring awareness to him. OBJ is changing his helmet banner to "But I Was Open"
I hope Baker gets healthy and back on track.....he'll be just fine
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No doubt it wasn't a good effort, but we won.
the d was magnificant......its about time....correct me if i am wrong, but i thought i heard cousings was the number one ranked qb going into the game....so the d did great...as far as the offense..........the sucked....again....don't care what excuses are out there, obj and baker just never hit it off since day one...don't want to hear this shit about injuries...the pandemic...laci of practice together because there are teams out there with new recievers on their respective teams and they are doing well....it just did not happen....we still need that wr with explosiveness......we don't have one......can't rely on our rb's all the time.....as far as baker goes...he better own up this weekend vs. the lightning bolts....and then the cards.....hmmmmmmmm....i don't know.....
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Baker was bad. He made some bad decisions. - 1st drive of nd half, Felton standing there, wide open, beyond the sticks, Baker plainly sees him but tries to run instead, so we punt. He had a bunch of open targets that he just plain airmailed over their heads. Thank God the defense saved the day (and Chubb & Hunt).
Baker was bad. He made some bad decisions. - 1st drive of nd half, Felton standing there, wide open, beyond the sticks, Baker plainly sees him but tries to run instead, so we punt. He had a bunch of open targets that he just plain airmailed over their heads. Thank God the defense saved the day (and Chubb & Hunt).
me thinks baker thought he was lamar on that play......sorry baker you cannot run like lamar...get that thought out of your head....
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Watching the Bucs and Pats play last night - even Brady was overthrowing wr's a lot of the game.
It happens. Years ago, under a lot of pressure, Peyton Manning threw three interceptions in a playoff game.
Under a lot of pressure, knowing both OT's and Tretter were playing hurt, going against a very, very solid defense, Baker playing with a hurt shoulder...
and he makes no excuses for his "piss poor play".....I admire that hugely. He'll bounce back. I still think he aggravated his left shoulder on that run. I'm wondering if Wills should sit out a week or two. He finally had to leave the game, limping pretty good on his ankle.
The Chargers are a terrific passing offense, not much of a rushing offense. That should help Baker a lot. Need to get Schwartz more involved next week.
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Stefanski today said from what he’s seen in practice, it’s not bakers shoulder that is the issue for lack of accuracy
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Stefanski today said from what he’s seen in practice, it’s not bakers shoulder that is the issue for lack of accuracy
Stefanski today said from what he’s seen in practice, it’s not bakers shoulder that is the issue for lack of accuracy
Then you have to wonder what exactly is the problem. Mechanics gone to hell? Maybe one of our resident experts can comment.
The Browns would get in trouble with the league if Baker does have a shoulder injury they're not reporting. Not like that sort of stuff doesn't happen all the time.
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We can run the ballWe can stop the run.
We can defend the pass
We can rush the passer
Special Teams aside from a dropped punt snap have been very good.
We haven’t been plagued by penalties
Passing game while working well at times is still a work in progress
We could protect the ball better (but 0 turnovers today)
QB play needs to improve.
It is October 3 and this is a very good team
We’ve played an elite offense, a very good offense, a great defense and we’ve played in two tough environments.
Chargers are next they will play a physical division game against the Raiders. That series is always physical and the games are ugly…we are fortunate to catch them next week.
so what you are saying is we are good QB play away from a super bowl? not great qb play just good.
so what you are saying is we are good QB play away from a super bowl? not great qb play just good.
I’m not saying he’s great, good or bad. We just need him to perform better on a consistent basis. I think he’s more than capable of stringing together many great performances we saw that in the second half of 2020.
The Bears game it looked like his feet were a mess. Yesterday it looked like he was stepping into his throws he just misfired multiple times timing perhaps off. He was wide right on a couple big ones to OBJ and one to Bryant
It looks like we are performing well in other areas of the game. I don’t know what it will take to get out of the AFC but our play in other areas leads me to believe we are capable.
Just as important as Baker, our Front 4 needs to stay healthy and maintain this high level of play. We had 22 pressures yesterday 16!!! Yes 16…came from occasions where we only pressured with the front 4. Now we praised Woods and he’s dialed up some blitz packages and mixed coverages much better these past two weeks but our front 4 is the main culprit to this emergence. And Woods is going to call on them each week to get pressure.
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No doubt it wasn't a good effort, but we won.
the d was magnificant......its about time....correct me if i am wrong, but i thought i heard cousings was the number one ranked qb going into the game....so the d did great...as far as the offense..........the sucked....again....don't care what excuses are out there, obj and baker just never hit it off since day one...don't want to hear this shit about injuries...the pandemic...laci of practice together because there are teams out there with new recievers on their respective teams and they are doing well....it just did not happen....we still need that wr with explosiveness......we don't have one......can't rely on our rb's all the time.....as far as baker goes...he better own up this weekend vs. the lightning bolts....and then the cards.....hmmmmmmmm....i don't know.....
the d was magnificant......its about time....correct me if i am wrong, but i thought i heard cousings was the number one ranked qb going into the game....so the d did great...as far as the offense..........the sucked....again....don't care what excuses are out there, obj and baker just never hit it off since day one...don't want to hear this shit about injuries...the pandemic...laci of practice together because there are teams out there with new recievers on their respective teams and they are doing well....it just did not happen....we still need that wr with explosiveness......we don't have one......can't rely on our rb's all the time.....as far as baker goes...he better own up this weekend vs. the lightning bolts....and then the cards.....hmmmmmmmm....i don't know.....
OBJ had his guy beat deep on missed PI call on Peterson- throw was off too and two other times in the second half. One other time he was stride for stride and Baker threw the ball behind and wide and OBJ couldn’t turn and one arm it.
He did nothing wrong yesterday and he showed that he’s more the capable of beating man coverage. If he gets a decent throw on just one of those three plays I mentioned are we even having this discussion?
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Stefanski today said from what he’s seen in practice, it’s not bakers shoulder that is the issue for lack of accuracy
Stefanski today said from what he’s seen in practice, it’s not bakers shoulder that is the issue for lack of accuracy
Interesting. Not quite a full under the bus throw by Stef, but a nice subtle "Listen, the dude isn't hurt, he just hasn't played well the last couple of weeks".
I like it.
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Stefanski today said from what he’s seen in practice, it’s not bakers shoulder that is the issue for lack of accuracy
Then you have to wonder what exactly is the problem. Mechanics gone to hell? Maybe one of our resident experts can comment.
The Browns would get in trouble with the league if Baker does have a shoulder injury they're not reporting. Not like that sort of stuff doesn't happen all the time.
Then you have to wonder what exactly is the problem. Mechanics gone to hell? Maybe one of our resident experts can comment.
The Browns would get in trouble with the league if Baker does have a shoulder injury they're not reporting. Not like that sort of stuff doesn't happen all the time.
No resident expert here....there was one throw later in the game. I think a pass to maybe Hooper. As soon as baker threw the ball I knew it was high. It almost looked like it slipped out of his hand...sure enough it sailed over Hoops head.
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I do know pitching mechanics....so, when a pitcher gets fast below the shoulder, he tends to throw high as he tries to get his arm back in to the proper slot, but invariably ends up late with the arm and the ball goes high.
Yesterday, baker did look to have "happy feet", like he didn't trust the line, and he was hurried quite a bit, so there is that.
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Stefanski today said from what he’s seen in practice, it’s not bakers shoulder that is the issue for lack of accuracy
Then you have to wonder what exactly is the problem. Mechanics gone to hell? Maybe one of our resident experts can comment.
The Browns would get in trouble with the league if Baker does have a shoulder injury they're not reporting. Not like that sort of stuff doesn't happen all the time.
Then you have to wonder what exactly is the problem. Mechanics gone to hell? Maybe one of our resident experts can comment.
The Browns would get in trouble with the league if Baker does have a shoulder injury they're not reporting. Not like that sort of stuff doesn't happen all the time.
Footwork and shoulder direction are the next best explanations. Although I was never a fan of how much knee bend he has in his stance. Need him to stand a little "taller" and really drive off that back foot to gather his velocity. Sometimes I genuinely believe he's throwing with the strength of his upper body and arm too* much. If the ball leaves his hands a little early on a more 3/4 style delivery, can cause the nose of the ball to sail high.
Educated guesses at this point.
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I still contend that Baker is injured, and it is hampering his accuracy.
Compare how he looked for the second half of last season and the first two games of this season, to how he has looked vs Chicago and Minnesota.
That being said, I don't think people who question if he is someone who will be a top-level QB are crazy either.
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Then you have to wonder what exactly is the problem. Mechanics gone to hell? Maybe one of our resident experts can comment.
The Browns would get in trouble with the league if Baker does have a shoulder injury they're not reporting. Not like that sort of stuff doesn't happen all the time.
Footwork and shoulder direction are the next best explanations. Although I was never a fan of how much knee bend he has in his stance. Need him to stand a little "taller" and really drive off that back foot to gather his velocity. Sometimes I genuinely believe he's throwing with the strength of his upper body and arm too* much. If the ball leaves his hands a little early on a more 3/4 style delivery, can cause the nose of the ball to sail high.
Educated guesses at this point.
Educated guesses at this point.
Your 1st claim seems accurate.. Your not popping anybodies shoulder joint back into place without the pain of some stretched ligaments in that shoulder.. Torn? the browns staff can't hide
any doctors? have at it... https://teachmeanatomy.info/upper-limb/joints/shoulder/
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I still contend that Baker is injured, and it is hampering his accuracy.
Compare how he looked for the second half of last season and the first two games of this season, to how he has looked vs Chicago and Minnesota.
That being said, I don't think people who question if he is someone who will be a top-level QB are crazy either.
I still contend that Baker is injured, and it is hampering his accuracy.
Compare how he looked for the second half of last season and the first two games of this season, to how he has looked vs Chicago and Minnesota.
...kinda' from the moment of that hit to now. That could qualify as an Occam's Razor.
It seems though, that he can throw it pretty nicely when he 'feels' that he can follow right on through with the throw, transferring his weight forward. All QB's have to throw it when they can't lean into it. Baker tends to sail his.
He was sacked 5 times and ruffed up pretty good in that Bears game....with a gimpy Wills, and the two replacements who came in for him. And this Vikings game was a game with a gimpy Wills and rookie replacement. It could be that he just doesn't 'feel' safe in the pocket like he used to. Or/And a painful left shoulder.
Or, it was bad gravity and he could do nothing right...(Kurt Vonnegut)
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Dutch I fucken love you man (no homo) but we could have Devante or Hopkins out there and they would NOT caught those passes that were 10 yards overthrown. This is all on Baker, he sucked dick today. End of story. Odell in theory is an all-pro WR and he (as in Baker) can't seem to make it happen. Dude had at least one break away TD maybe 2.
Oh no, man this is getting twisted.
I think the Vikings game was on Baker, OBJ did nothing (that I know of) wrong. I was referring to the whole "Does Baker do better with or without OBJ" discussion in general. Definitely not saying OBJ was to blame for yesterday.
Oh no, man this is getting twisted.
I think the Vikings game was on Baker, OBJ did nothing (that I know of) wrong. I was referring to the whole "Does Baker do better with or without OBJ" discussion in general. Definitely not saying OBJ was to blame for yesterday.
Ok misunderstanding. Also have you watched the Jay and Silent Bob Reboot?
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