Baker Mayfield
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LJ by a landslide... The threat of his legs is so great that his arm/ Head limitations in the passing game matter not. And it is now clear that he brings all the intangibles Baker does... e.g., leadership.
Limits? Yes... but he is still learning at the Pro level and so those limits might ease with time. He has the tools, just needs the refinement. Easier said than realized... hell to the yeah... but so long as he runs smartly and avoids major injury... he has a chance.
If he does not, then he could go the way of Mahomes, from whom some of the luster has faded.
I would still take Baker over LJ... I believe LJ's career will be a short one...
I would still take Baker over LJ... I believe LJ's career will be a short one...
LJ will probably get hurt for good one of these days - he is amazing at running, except vs Miami,
but he doesn't throw long with accuracy at all. And some of his interceptions look very, very bad.
With a bad offensive line, sure, LJ would run for ya.
I'll take Baker every time outside of that.
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Lamar has an MVP trophy and Baker does not.. because Lamar is both a better passer and runner than Baker. Lamar has a Heisman - just like Baker.
Every rationale you could make for Baker holds for Lamar -- Lamar's passing stats better with more All-Pros in OL, better with a better running game, better with better WR's, etc. So far in 2021, Lamar has more passing TD's [14 to BM's 8] - and throws them at a higher % than Baker. This is to be expected -- In Lamar's MVP season, he led the league in pass TD's and TD%. Also in 2021, Lamar has more passing yards [2447 to 1917] .. and has 4 game-winning drives while Baker has none. Links go to profootballreference. And Lamar has nearly half of Baltimore's 1400 rushing yards this season.. If he really needs to have a label on him, Lamar is a passing QB whose side hustle is his NFL-level RB skills.
By way of comparison, when you add rushing, LJ has 1200 more total yards at this point in his career [as of this week he's started exactly 3 full seasons of games, 9 so far plus the 7 in his year 1] than Russell Wilson. Just look at his numbers as if you'd never thought about him before... Trying to shoehorn facts into a preconceived notion is never worth it because you'll find yourself defending some really odd ideas.
BAL lost on Thursday.. If all of Chubb, Hunt, and DJ had ACL's, how would our running game look? The lolphins blitzed a ton [through BAL's shorthanded OL] and outside of garbage time shut down BAL's offense with their good DB's.. wouldn't shock me if Jevon Holland gets DROY. Cleveland's offense has never been shut down this year, right? This happens to good QB's all the time.. Aaron Rodgers had a abysmal week 1 this season, Mahomes was annhilated by Titans a couple weeks ago. IMHO a ton of blitzing is the blueprint to beat BAL, but the beauty of football is that we'll see. There were also a lot of BAL dropped passes and unimaginative playcalling - you know, another day in the NFL.
But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Lamar has an MVP trophy and Baker does not.. because Lamar is both a better passer and runner than Baker. Lamar has a Heisman - just like Baker.
Every rationale you could make for Baker holds for Lamar -- Lamar's passing stats better with more All-Pros in OL, better with a better running game, better with better WR's, etc. So far in 2021, Lamar has more passing TD's [14 to BM's 8] - and throws them at a higher % than Baker. This is to be expected -- In Lamar's MVP season, he led the league in pass TD's and TD%. Also in 2021, Lamar has more passing yards [2447 to 1917] .. and has 4 game-winning drives while Baker has none. Links go to profootballreference. And Lamar has nearly half of Baltimore's 1400 rushing yards this season.. If he really needs to have a label on him, Lamar is a passing QB whose side hustle is his NFL-level RB skills.
By way of comparison, when you add rushing, LJ has 1200 more total yards at this point in his career [as of this week he's started exactly 3 full seasons of games, 9 so far plus the 7 in his year 1] than Russell Wilson. Just look at his numbers as if you'd never thought about him before... Trying to shoehorn facts into a preconceived notion is never worth it because you'll find yourself defending some really odd ideas.
BAL lost on Thursday.. If all of Chubb, Hunt, and DJ had ACL's, how would our running game look? The lolphins blitzed a ton [through BAL's shorthanded OL] and outside of garbage time shut down BAL's offense with their good DB's.. wouldn't shock me if Jevon Holland gets DROY. Cleveland's offense has never been shut down this year, right? This happens to good QB's all the time.. Aaron Rodgers had a abysmal week 1 this season, Mahomes was annhilated by Titans a couple weeks ago. IMHO a ton of blitzing is the blueprint to beat BAL, but the beauty of football is that we'll see. There were also a lot of BAL dropped passes and unimaginative playcalling - you know, another day in the NFL.
But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one Baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
Yeah- he's good at present...
Running QBs in the NFL = Not For Long. To date, the running back disguised as a quarterback Lamar has avoided a kill shot. It's coming- I guarantee it. How soon we forget RG III....
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But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one Baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
Yeah- he's good at present...
Running QBs in the NFL = Not For Long. To date, the running back disguised as a quarterback Lamar has avoided a kill shot. It's coming- I guarantee it. How soon we forget RG III....
Yeah- he's good at present...
Running QBs in the NFL = Not For Long. To date, the running back disguised as a quarterback Lamar has avoided a kill shot. It's coming- I guarantee it. How soon we forget RG III....
Depending on how anyone ranks them including longevity and results I'd start with:
1. Vick 2. Cunningham 3.Young 4. Tarkenton then a whole bunch come in and how you want to rank them. Have fun......
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Lamar has an MVP trophy and Baker does not.. because Lamar is both a better passer and runner than Baker. Lamar has a Heisman - just like Baker.
Every rationale you could make for Baker holds for Lamar -- Lamar's passing stats better with more All-Pros in OL, better with a better running game, better with better WR's, etc. So far in 2021, Lamar has more passing TD's [14 to BM's 8] - and throws them at a higher % than Baker. This is to be expected -- In Lamar's MVP season, he led the league in pass TD's and TD%. Also in 2021, Lamar has more passing yards [2447 to 1917] .. and has 4 game-winning drives while Baker has none. Links go to profootballreference. And Lamar has nearly half of Baltimore's 1400 rushing yards this season.. If he really needs to have a label on him, Lamar is a passing QB whose side hustle is his NFL-level RB skills.
By way of comparison, when you add rushing, LJ has 1200 more total yards at this point in his career [as of this week he's started exactly 3 full seasons of games, 9 so far plus the 7 in his year 1] than Russell Wilson. Just look at his numbers as if you'd never thought about him before... Trying to shoehorn facts into a preconceived notion is never worth it because you'll find yourself defending some really odd ideas.
BAL lost on Thursday.. If all of Chubb, Hunt, and DJ had ACL's, how would our running game look? The lolphins blitzed a ton [through BAL's shorthanded OL] and outside of garbage time shut down BAL's offense with their good DB's.. wouldn't shock me if Jevon Holland gets DROY. Cleveland's offense has never been shut down this year, right? This happens to good QB's all the time.. Aaron Rodgers had a abysmal week 1 this season, Mahomes was annhilated by Titans a couple weeks ago. IMHO a ton of blitzing is the blueprint to beat BAL, but the beauty of football is that we'll see. There were also a lot of BAL dropped passes and unimaginative playcalling - you know, another day in the NFL.
But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
Lamar has an MVP trophy and Baker does not.. because Lamar is both a better passer and runner than Baker. Lamar has a Heisman - just like Baker.
Every rationale you could make for Baker holds for Lamar -- Lamar's passing stats better with more All-Pros in OL, better with a better running game, better with better WR's, etc. So far in 2021, Lamar has more passing TD's [14 to BM's 8] - and throws them at a higher % than Baker. This is to be expected -- In Lamar's MVP season, he led the league in pass TD's and TD%. Also in 2021, Lamar has more passing yards [2447 to 1917] .. and has 4 game-winning drives while Baker has none. Links go to profootballreference. And Lamar has nearly half of Baltimore's 1400 rushing yards this season.. If he really needs to have a label on him, Lamar is a passing QB whose side hustle is his NFL-level RB skills.
By way of comparison, when you add rushing, LJ has 1200 more total yards at this point in his career [as of this week he's started exactly 3 full seasons of games, 9 so far plus the 7 in his year 1] than Russell Wilson. Just look at his numbers as if you'd never thought about him before... Trying to shoehorn facts into a preconceived notion is never worth it because you'll find yourself defending some really odd ideas.
BAL lost on Thursday.. If all of Chubb, Hunt, and DJ had ACL's, how would our running game look? The lolphins blitzed a ton [through BAL's shorthanded OL] and outside of garbage time shut down BAL's offense with their good DB's.. wouldn't shock me if Jevon Holland gets DROY. Cleveland's offense has never been shut down this year, right? This happens to good QB's all the time.. Aaron Rodgers had a abysmal week 1 this season, Mahomes was annhilated by Titans a couple weeks ago. IMHO a ton of blitzing is the blueprint to beat BAL, but the beauty of football is that we'll see. There were also a lot of BAL dropped passes and unimaginative playcalling - you know, another day in the NFL.
But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
A better passer?... Are you fucking high?
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one Baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
Yeah- he's good at present...
Running QBs in the NFL = Not For Long. To date, the running back disguised as a quarterback Lamar has avoided a kill shot. It's coming- I guarantee it. How soon we forget RG III....
Yeah- he's good at present...
Running QBs in the NFL = Not For Long. To date, the running back disguised as a quarterback Lamar has avoided a kill shot. It's coming- I guarantee it. How soon we forget RG III....
I've been kind of waiting for this too, and I've always been in the camp of "Lamar will flourish early, but injuries or the league catching up to him will catch up to him", but let's remember pocket QBs whose careers ended early like Tim Couch, Troy Aikman, Sam Bradford, David Carr etc who sat in the pocket like a traditional quarterback does and got the snot kicked out of them, and whose careers prematurely ended.
The most famous quarterback injury ever, to this day, is Joe Theismann setting up in the pocket and getting annihilated by Lawrence Taylor.
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I'll say this, if we don't figure out our red zone offense, we won't win this game and many others this year. I'm not sure what changed from last year, but we're really struggling. Penalties, ugly plays, inefficient pass formations, failed 4th downs, and whatever else...we aren't scoring the ball inside the 20's.
Where are our easy TDs? Every week I watch the NFL and there are simple plays which score. It seems like an act of God for us to punch it in, which is why Baker has only 8 passing tds. Pats have a terrific defense. If we get to the red zone, we need touchdowns or we don't win.
The play calling in the RedZone hasn't been good at all. It's like a one read to a WR and the scramble drill. Last week Landry went out on a slant and fell over and that was basically the entire play. He had to throw it away.
I don't understand why Kev overthinks it down there. He rarely gives it to Chubb inside the 10. I know when Hunt out (which is usually the back in that situation) but run the damn ball. One read jump balls aren't really effective.
I think the last easy RedZone play was the Bronco game when they went play action and threw to to a wide open FB. Seems like that play should work almost every time with our run game.
The play calling in the RedZone hasn't been good at all. It's like a one read to a WR and the scramble drill. Last week Landry went out on a slant and fell over and that was basically the entire play. He had to throw it away.
I don't understand why Kev overthinks it down there. He rarely gives it to Chubb inside the 10. I know when Hunt out (which is usually the back in that situation) but run the damn ball. One read jump balls aren't really effective.
I think the last easy RedZone play was the Bronco game when they went play action and threw to to a wide open FB. Seems like that play should work almost every time with our run game.
It's funny, that was the one play I could think of. There's obviously been others, but that's the one I'd like to replicate, specifically for Baker and his confidence. How about more Harrison Bryant? I like him!
I have a very bad feeling that we're not going to be able to run the ball and we're going to get down early due to random ass turnovers that somehow go their way and cause our passing game to either win or lose it.
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The play calling in the RedZone hasn't been good at all. It's like a one read to a WR and the scramble drill. Last week Landry went out on a slant and fell over and that was basically the entire play. He had to throw it away.
I don't understand why Kev overthinks it down there. He rarely gives it to Chubb inside the 10. I know when Hunt out (which is usually the back in that situation) but run the damn ball. One read jump balls aren't really effective.
I think the last easy RedZone play was the Bronco game when they went play action and threw to to a wide open FB. Seems like that play should work almost every time with our run game.
It's funny, that was the one play I could think of. There's obviously been others, but that's the one I'd like to replicate, specifically for Baker and his confidence. How about more Harrison Bryant? I like him!
I have a very bad feeling that we're not going to be able to run the ball and we're going to get down early due to random ass turnovers that somehow go their way and cause our passing game to either win or lose it.
It's funny, that was the one play I could think of. There's obviously been others, but that's the one I'd like to replicate, specifically for Baker and his confidence. How about more Harrison Bryant? I like him!
I have a very bad feeling that we're not going to be able to run the ball and we're going to get down early due to random ass turnovers that somehow go their way and cause our passing game to either win or lose it.
We'll be fine
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Zombo said:
I have no idea why people on this board keep underselling Baker on this board, this thread is embarrassing.
So now he doesn't have enough TD passes? Well we lead the league in rushing TDs ... so if we are getting down the field and scoring, the QB is doing his job!
Guy is out there throwing darts playing through injury, dealing with missing players, unhappy players, covid-infected players ... but it's never enough for some people. I guess they prefer pinball passing yards to a well executed game plan.
Z
Precisely... He's doing what is asked of him.. Doesn't complain... Plays within the gameplan.. Isn't flashing money signs or taking a weekend suarez in Vegas every other week... I think he's perfect for this team.. The kid plays hurt. He's not a pussy and... He's not a back stabbing kunt like Blowdell..
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Lamar has an MVP trophy and Baker does not.. because Lamar is both a better passer and runner than Baker. Lamar has a Heisman - just like Baker.
Every rationale you could make for Baker holds for Lamar -- Lamar's passing stats better with more All-Pros in OL, better with a better running game, better with better WR's, etc. So far in 2021, Lamar has more passing TD's [14 to BM's 8] - and throws them at a higher % than Baker. This is to be expected -- In Lamar's MVP season, he led the league in pass TD's and TD%. Also in 2021, Lamar has more passing yards [2447 to 1917] .. and has 4 game-winning drives while Baker has none. Links go to profootballreference. And Lamar has nearly half of Baltimore's 1400 rushing yards this season.. If he really needs to have a label on him, Lamar is a passing QB whose side hustle is his NFL-level RB skills.
By way of comparison, when you add rushing, LJ has 1200 more total yards at this point in his career [as of this week he's started exactly 3 full seasons of games, 9 so far plus the 7 in his year 1] than Russell Wilson. Just look at his numbers as if you'd never thought about him before... Trying to shoehorn facts into a preconceived notion is never worth it because you'll find yourself defending some really odd ideas.
BAL lost on Thursday.. If all of Chubb, Hunt, and DJ had ACL's, how would our running game look? The lolphins blitzed a ton [through BAL's shorthanded OL] and outside of garbage time shut down BAL's offense with their good DB's.. wouldn't shock me if Jevon Holland gets DROY. Cleveland's offense has never been shut down this year, right? This happens to good QB's all the time.. Aaron Rodgers had a abysmal week 1 this season, Mahomes was annhilated by Titans a couple weeks ago. IMHO a ton of blitzing is the blueprint to beat BAL, but the beauty of football is that we'll see. There were also a lot of BAL dropped passes and unimaginative playcalling - you know, another day in the NFL.
But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
Every rationale you could make for Baker holds for Lamar -- Lamar's passing stats better with more All-Pros in OL, better with a better running game, better with better WR's, etc. So far in 2021, Lamar has more passing TD's [14 to BM's 8] - and throws them at a higher % than Baker. This is to be expected -- In Lamar's MVP season, he led the league in pass TD's and TD%. Also in 2021, Lamar has more passing yards [2447 to 1917] .. and has 4 game-winning drives while Baker has none. Links go to profootballreference. And Lamar has nearly half of Baltimore's 1400 rushing yards this season.. If he really needs to have a label on him, Lamar is a passing QB whose side hustle is his NFL-level RB skills.
You failed to mention that LJ has thrown 8 interceptions this year compared to Baker’ 3 picks.
I look at LJ as a running back that happens to throw the ball.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
Lamar has an MVP trophy and Baker does not.. because Lamar is both a better passer and runner than Baker. Lamar has a Heisman - just like Baker.
Every rationale you could make for Baker holds for Lamar -- Lamar's passing stats better with more All-Pros in OL, better with a better running game, better with better WR's, etc. So far in 2021, Lamar has more passing TD's [14 to BM's 8] - and throws them at a higher % than Baker. This is to be expected -- In Lamar's MVP season, he led the league in pass TD's and TD%. Also in 2021, Lamar has more passing yards [2447 to 1917] .. and has 4 game-winning drives while Baker has none. Links go to profootballreference. And Lamar has nearly half of Baltimore's 1400 rushing yards this season.. If he really needs to have a label on him, Lamar is a passing QB whose side hustle is his NFL-level RB skills.
By way of comparison, when you add rushing, LJ has 1200 more total yards at this point in his career [as of this week he's started exactly 3 full seasons of games, 9 so far plus the 7 in his year 1] than Russell Wilson. Just look at his numbers as if you'd never thought about him before... Trying to shoehorn facts into a preconceived notion is never worth it because you'll find yourself defending some really odd ideas.
BAL lost on Thursday.. If all of Chubb, Hunt, and DJ had ACL's, how would our running game look? The lolphins blitzed a ton [through BAL's shorthanded OL] and outside of garbage time shut down BAL's offense with their good DB's.. wouldn't shock me if Jevon Holland gets DROY. Cleveland's offense has never been shut down this year, right? This happens to good QB's all the time.. Aaron Rodgers had a abysmal week 1 this season, Mahomes was annhilated by Titans a couple weeks ago. IMHO a ton of blitzing is the blueprint to beat BAL, but the beauty of football is that we'll see. There were also a lot of BAL dropped passes and unimaginative playcalling - you know, another day in the NFL.
But seriously, at some point it's time to drop the notion that any one baltimore loss "Proves Lamar Can Never Win" .. Nope, sorry. He's really good, he'll be there for the next 7 years or so, and if Baltimore wins a SB or two, he'll be a permanent fixture down the road in Canton.
A better passer?... Are you fucking high?
Are you fucking high?
You're high on your own supply if you think Baker - who's smaller than LJ - is a better passer than Lamar.
You're welcome to your own feelings, but not your own facts.
Zombo said:
I have no idea why people on this board keep underselling Baker
Baker Mayfield hasn't won an NFL MVP award. Lamar has - and he deserved it.
It's not underselling Baker to say he's not as good as a guy who has an NFL MVP.. that's actually about as objective as you can get. They're both good -- and Lamar is better..
You're overselling Baker to tell yourself he's better than one of the top tier of QB's in the league.
Zombo said:
we lead the league in rushing TDs
Great, but not related to Mayfield's performance vs Lamar.
Zombo said:
it's never enough for some people
I agree -- Lamar can't do enough to demonstrate to you that he's better than Mayfield.
Zombo said:
I guess they prefer pinball passing stats to a well executed game plan.
As opposed, of course, to Baltimore's game plan, right?
So if you aren't interested in coming up with some metric and sticking to that comparison whether it's a positive or negative result for you.. then it's really just feelings and not an actual analysis of anything. It's just a bad choice to try to compare Baker to, of all people, Lamar Jackson...
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Are you fucking high?
You're high on your own supply if you think Baker - who's smaller than LJ - is a better passer than Lamar.
You're welcome to your own feelings, but not your own facts.
Zombo said:
I have no idea why people on this board keep underselling Baker
Baker Mayfield hasn't won an NFL MVP award. Lamar has - and he deserved it.
It's not underselling Baker to say he's not as good as a guy who has an NFL MVP.. that's actually about as objective as you can get. They're both good -- and Lamar is better..
You're overselling Baker to tell yourself he's better than one of the top tier of QB's in the league.
Zombo said:
we lead the league in rushing TDs
Great, but not related to Mayfield's performance vs Lamar.
Zombo said:
it's never enough for some people
I agree -- Lamar can't do enough to demonstrate to you that he's better than Mayfield.
Zombo said:
I guess they prefer pinball passing stats to a well executed game plan.
As opposed, of course, to Baltimore's game plan, right?
So if you aren't interested in coming up with some metric and sticking to that comparison whether it's a positive or negative result for you.. then it's really just feelings and not an actual analysis of anything. It's just a bad choice to try to compare Baker to, of all people, Lamar Jackson...
You're high on your own supply if you think Baker - who's smaller than LJ - is a better passer than Lamar.
You're welcome to your own feelings, but not your own facts.
Baker Mayfield hasn't won an NFL MVP award. Lamar has - and he deserved it.
It's not underselling Baker to say he's not as good as a guy who has an NFL MVP.. that's actually about as objective as you can get. They're both good -- and Lamar is better..
You're overselling Baker to tell yourself he's better than one of the top tier of QB's in the league.
Great, but not related to Mayfield's performance vs Lamar.
I agree -- Lamar can't do enough to demonstrate to you that he's better than Mayfield.
As opposed, of course, to Baltimore's game plan, right?
So if you aren't interested in coming up with some metric and sticking to that comparison whether it's a positive or negative result for you.. then it's really just feelings and not an actual analysis of anything. It's just a bad choice to try to compare Baker to, of all people, Lamar Jackson...
Well.. You're an ASS.. So there's that..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Every rationale you could make for Baker holds for Lamar -- Lamar's passing stats better with more All-Pros in OL, better with a better running game, better with better WR's, etc. So far in 2021, Lamar has more passing TD's [14 to BM's 8] - and throws them at a higher % than Baker. This is to be expected -- In Lamar's MVP season, he led the league in pass TD's and TD%. Also in 2021, Lamar has more passing yards [2447 to 1917] .. and has 4 game-winning drives while Baker has none. Links go to profootballreference. And Lamar has nearly half of Baltimore's 1400 rushing yards this season.. If he really needs to have a label on him, Lamar is a passing QB whose side hustle is his NFL-level RB skills.
You failed to mention that LJ has thrown 8 interceptions this year compared to Baker’ 3 picks.
I look at LJ as a running back that happens to throw the ball.
You failed to mention that LJ has thrown 8 interceptions this year compared to Baker’ 3 picks.
I look at LJ as a running back that happens to throw the ball.
You failed to mention that only during this season did Lamar's career interception total [26] finally surpass Baker's total from 2019 alone [21].
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
You failed to mention that LJ has thrown 8 interceptions this year compared to Baker’ 3 picks.
I look at LJ as a running back that happens to throw the ball.
You failed to mention that only during this season did Lamar's career interception total [26] finally surpass Baker's total from 2019 alone [21].
You failed to mention that only during this season did Lamar's career interception total [26] finally surpass Baker's total from 2019 alone [21].
Baker had Fat freddie that season Goof..
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You're high on your own supply if you think Baker - who's smaller than LJ - is a better passer than Lamar.
You're welcome to your own feelings, but not your own facts.
Baker Mayfield hasn't won an NFL MVP award. Lamar has - and he deserved it.
It's not underselling Baker to say he's not as good as a guy who has an NFL MVP.. that's actually about as objective as you can get. They're both good -- and Lamar is better..
You're overselling Baker to tell yourself he's better than one of the top tier of QB's in the league.
Great, but not related to Mayfield's performance vs Lamar.
I agree -- Lamar can't do enough to demonstrate to you that he's better than Mayfield.
As opposed, of course, to Baltimore's game plan, right?
So if you aren't interested in coming up with some metric and sticking to that comparison whether it's a positive or negative result for you.. then it's really just feelings and not an actual analysis of anything. It's just a bad choice to try to compare Baker to, of all people, Lamar Jackson...
Well.. You're an ASS.. So there's that..
Well.. You're an ASS.. So there's that..
When unable to counter with facts, there's always the nickers way of debating...
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When unable to counter with facts, there's always the nickers way of debating...
And you belong in that group yourself Mr hillbilly
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When unable to counter with facts, there's always the nickers way of debating...
And you belong in that group yourself Mr hillbilly
And you belong in that group yourself Mr hillbilly
Oh, I won't even attempt to debate football with you nickers. No way.
You played Little League Football!
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Zombo said:
Of all people!!
Jackson got an MVP while his legs were young, but someday he'll have to become a pocket passer and you'll feel like an idiot for saying he's a better PASSER than Mayfield.
Baker completes 66.7% of his passes at a clip of 8.5 y/a, Jackson 64.4% for 7.9 y/a with 5 extra interceptions to boot.
Z
One would think that Baker is poised to have a longer, more consistent NFL career than Lamar because of this - how will Lamar be able to transition to being more of a pocket QB when his athleticism starts to wain? I don't think Baker's ceiling is as high as Lamar's - but his floor might be much higher, resulting in a more consistent, longer career.
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