Baker Mayfield

hish747

@tiamat63 said:

That throw was going to be a pick even if Landry didn't slip.

Landry slipped because he tried to stop in his tracks to get back to an under thrown ball. It's 100% on Baker.

BernieSuperBowl2

@hx214 said:

I still want to know why Aaron Rodgers would want to come here? The guy has D. Adams. We have a 6th rounder. How many first rounders and what pro bowlers you giving to GB to make that happen anyway? 3 firsts and Chubb? 3 firsts and Garrett? Then Rodgers retires the next year. Then where/how do you get him a legit WR? Aaron ain't running Kev's playbook.

Russell Wilson? Dude has DK Metcalf and Leggett. We have a 6th rounder. (Not to mention, Russ looks pretty bad this year...) His wife ain't moving to Cleveland either.

Watson has 20 different people accusing him of sexual misconduct. 20 different people. AND he admitted he did it, maybe that shit passes then he's available. How many first rounders you giving up? That the kinda guy you wanna hang your franchise on..?

Matt Ryan? 37 years old. What's he got left? How much you giving up?

I've always had Derrick Carr in the back of my head. Seems pretty likely he is out in LV. But after watching his play last week against our backup JV squad....

I really don't see anything but the draft being an option.

Yippee.

Rodgers and Wilson are long shots, but it's worth asking. And yes, we would have to get them some help at WR.

Our best shot is with Watson. That's IF he clears his legal problems, I would absolutely take a shot on him. Sure, I don't want a guy who's guilty of sexual misconduct if he is in fact guilty. But this is the Browns, we don't have options. You have to take scummy guys sometimes to win - Big Rape won two Super Bowls, Antonio Brown is trash and he won one last year, Tyreke Hill beat and choked his girlfriend and won a SB. And let's not forget our good friend Kareem Hunt and his video altercation with a woman (the video isn't as bad as the NFL made it out I will admit). He came to Cleveland, stayed out of trouble and has been awesome for this franchise. He's probably my third favorite player behind Chubb and Garrett. No one seems to care or remember what he did. Let's face it, this franchise is desperate for a Super Bowl, if someone with a questionable past comes in here and performs well and wins, the fan base won't care what they did in the past.

I think the Stafford trade that the Rams pulled off last year gives a good idea of the market value for a franchise QB. The Rams sent two first rounders, a third rounder, and a bad starting QB in Goff to the Lions for Stafford.

Browns149

@neo said:

One int was on Landry not looking for the ball, the other was obvious DPI.

I have been one of Baker's best supporters, but he was not very good today, injured or not.

The one to Landry was 10 yards under thrown. He was behind the defense and getting more wide open with every step.
That pass has to be out in front of Landry, instead it was horribly under thrown causing Landry to stop and slip

Westside Steve

@neo said:

One int was on Landry not looking for the ball, the other was obvious DPI.

I have been one of Baker's best supporters, but he was not very good today, injured or not.

True enough that was a bad performance. Also true is that quarterbacks have bad performances. If the Browns face an uphill battle because of extraneous circumstances that certainly worth mentioning. People who hate the Browns or hate the quarterback or hate anybody call that making excuses. And I say that's bulshit. The bad calls were glaring enough that the announcers certainly not Browns fans, were mentioning them on air.

On top of that we are Fielding players that haven't been allowed to practice in what, a couple of weeks? An offensive line with three starters gone and one guy playing out of position?

Yes I'm pissed off yes I'm disappointed but the only thing I'm scared about is the idiots in the front office making wholesale changes.

(As for the haters? Well they always suck.)

WSS

Dutch Oven

@hish747 said:

Landry slipped because he tried to stop in his tracks to get back to an under thrown ball. It's 100% on Baker.

Landry didn't slip, he fainted.

He fainted when he saw how horrible Baker's pass was to him.

Dutch Oven

Watching the highlights of the Cardinals vs Colts game (I don't have NFL Network so I missed the game last night) and saw that Carson Wentz had a good game, so out of curiosity I looked up his stats for this season, because I hadn't really heard much how he's doing..

Wentz, who was given up for dead, has 25 touchdowns passes compared to 6 interceptions, and a QB rating of 96.4 in 2021.

I wonder if the Eagles wish they still had him... and while I'm not the biggest Baker fan, the Browns better make 100% sure they upgrade from him before making a change at the QB position.

Browns149

More sobering stats from yesterday

Browns rushes + screens = 23 plays for 259 yards
Browns passes - screens = 40 plays for 138 net yards (plus four picks)

hx214

@berniesuperbowl2 said:

Our best shot is with Watson. That's IF he clears his legal problems, I would absolutely take a shot on him. Sure, I don't want a guy who's guilty of sexual misconduct if he is in fact guilty. But this is the Browns, we don't have options. You have to take scummy guys sometimes to win - Big Rape won two Super Bowls, Antonio Brown is trash and he won one last year, Tyreke Hill beat and choked his girlfriend and won a SB. And let's not forget our good friend Kareem Hunt and his video altercation with a woman (the video isn't as bad as the NFL made it out I will admit). He came to Cleveland, stayed out of trouble and has been awesome for this franchise. He's probably my third favorite player behind Chubb and Garrett. No one seems to care or remember what he did. Let's face it, this franchise is desperate for a Super Bowl, if someone with a questionable past comes in here and performs well and wins, the fan base won't care what they did in the past.

Ya, but Big Rape was already drafted by the Steelers. Another team didn't give up multiple first rounders to get him. I could see the Browns making the trade then 20 more people coming out to accuse him of something after they get him, cause that's how it works here.

Hunt was signed of the street. For peanuts. That doesn't work, all you lose is money.

calfoxwc

@browns149 said:

More sobering stats from yesterday

Browns rushes + screens = 23 plays for 259 yards
Browns passes - screens = 40 plays for 138 net yards (plus four picks)

I hadn't realized that. Seems dumb alright. The Packers defense is better with the pass, pretty poor vs the run..... I'm starting to think the Browns coaches are out-coaching themselves amid all the problems this year.

Browns149

@calfoxwc said:

I hadn't realized that. Seems dumb alright. The Packers defense is better with the pass, pretty poor vs the run..... I'm starting to think the Browns coaches are out-coaching themselves amid all the problems this year.

It does seem whatever game plan they come up with doesn’t get the job done at crunch time

Neo

@hish747 said:

Landry slipped because he tried to stop in his tracks to get back to an under thrown ball. It's 100% on Baker.

I know the resident football geniuses will blast me for this, but it seems like Landry was supposed to come back to the ball or at least Baker thought his was going to come back to the ball. Troy Aikman even Landry wasn't looking for the ball or didn't appear to be.

I even acknowledged Baker played like trash. But I stand firm this was not on Baker.

tiamat63

@dutch-oven said:

Watching the highlights of the Cardinals vs Colts game (I don't have NFL Network so I missed the game last night) and saw that Carson Wentz had a good game, so out of curiosity I looked up his stats for this season, because I hadn't really heard much how he's doing..

Wentz, who was given up for dead, has 25 touchdowns passes compared to 6 interceptions, and a QB rating of 96.4 in 2021.

I wonder if the Eagles wish they still had him... and while I'm not the biggest Baker fan, the Browns better make 100% sure they upgrade from him before making a change at the QB position.

Wentz is also the beneficiary of one of the best running games in the NFL. He isn't asked to shoulder much of the offense beyond what he is capable of.

Sounds familiar?

Browns149

@neo said:

I know the resident football geniuses will blast me for this, but it seems like Landry was supposed to come back to the ball or at least Baker thought his was going to come back to the ball. Troy Aikman even Landry wasn't looking for the ball or didn't appear to be.

I even acknowledged Baker played like trash. But I stand firm this was not on Baker.

If you watch the video, Landry puts up his hand, as he’s running into a deep wide area, he looks back and the ball is way under thrown. Obviously they were not on the same page, but when a receiver puts his hand up, and the QB is looking at him, most times that means throw it deep

Dutch Oven

@neo said:

I know the resident football geniuses will blast me for this, but it seems like Landry was supposed to come back to the ball or at least Baker thought his was going to come back to the ball. Troy Aikman even Landry wasn't looking for the ball or didn't appear to be.

I even acknowledged Baker played like trash. But I stand firm this was not on Baker.

You don't come back into an open spot in a zone defense.

You throw the ball to your receiver past the first level but before the second level. As been pointed out numerous times, Baker does not do a great job of anticipating windows or anticipating his receivers breaking open vs man-to-man. He doesn't lead receivers as much as he throws at them.

tiamat63

@dutch-oven said:

You don't come back into an open spot in a zone defense.

I'm going to stop you right there, that isn't ALWAYS* accurate.

The half field sprint out Baker was running can be one such a case. Ultimately we won't know until the All-22 comes out and somebody (who are we kidding? Likely it'll be me) goes back over it several times.

jiggins7919

@dutch-oven said:

You don't come back into an open spot in a zone defense.

You throw the ball to your receiver past the first level but before the second level. As been pointed out numerous times, Baker does not do a great job of anticipating windows or anticipating his receivers breaking open vs man-to-man. He doesn't lead receivers as much as he throws at them.

Baker was supposed to throw it over the top, as there was no over the top help. Could've been a TD, but obviously we all know Baker can't throw TD passes over 3 yards. Landry expected it to be over the top, which is why he was so shocked that the ball was a comeback and he fell on his ass. Again, nobody over the top. Fail.

Dutch Oven

@tiamat63 said:

I'm going to stop you right there, that isn't ALWAYS* accurate.

The half field sprint out Baker was running can be one such a case. Ultimately we won't know until the All-22 comes out and somebody (who are we kidding? Likely it'll be me) goes back over it several times.

I meant on that play, where Landry is jetting down the sidelines.

To think he's going to run past a defender, past the open area, and into the second level, stop on a dime, and come back to the open area on that specific play IMO isn't real likely. If Baker wanted to hit him in that open area, then hit him on the run past level one but before level two.

Neo

Did anyone else notice DPJ was wide open on that play?

Bob806

@berniesuperbowl2 said:

. But the Browns absolutely have to see what it would take for Rodgers, R. Wilson, or D. Watson. We're not winning a Super Bowl with Baker, ever.

I'm speculating that Wilson is on the decline. He, like Baker this season had/has injury problems. He also has DK Metcalf, Lockett. Not much happening with that offense. And yes, Wilson is a winner and proven commodity, I just wonder if a change of scenery sparks him, or has he lost the fire that made him great?

Rodgers, wouldn't shock me if he left GB, but to come here I doubt it. Browns would have to really break the bank- doesn't seem like something Berry & DePodesta would do.

Watson's situation is so unsettled. Anywhere he lands would be a potential PR nightmare, and his contract is sky high. I read somewhere, I think on profootballtalk.com that legal stuff with him would begin in late January/February. Once that settles, then he & his agent start a plan for him...hopefully it won't be an orchestrated " I'm going to _____" like OBJ, but I can see it happening.

ATOM

@bob806 said:

I'm speculating that Wilson is on the decline. He, like Baker this season had/has injury problems. He also has DK Metcalf, Lockett. Not much happening with that offense. And yes, Wilson is a winner and proven commodity, I just wonder if a change of scenery sparks him, or has he lost the fire that made him great?

Wilson had his best years when he had a strong running game and a good D, sound familiar ? and would be a huge up grade over baker