Baker Mayfield
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. But the Browns absolutely have to see what it would take for Rodgers, R. Wilson, or D. Watson. We're not winning a Super Bowl with Baker, ever.
I'm speculating that Wilson is on the decline. He, like Baker this season had/has injury problems. He also has DK Metcalf, Lockett. Not much happening with that offense. And yes, Wilson is a winner and proven commodity, I just wonder if a change of scenery sparks him, or has he lost the fire that made him great?
Rodgers, wouldn't shock me if he left GB, but to come here I doubt it. Browns would have to really break the bank- doesn't seem like something Berry & DePodesta would do.
Watson's situation is so unsettled. Anywhere he lands would be a potential PR nightmare, and his contract is sky high. I read somewhere, I think on profootballtalk.com that legal stuff with him would begin in late January/February. Once that settles, then he & his agent start a plan for him...hopefully it won't be an orchestrated " I'm going to _____" like OBJ, but I can see it happening.
I'm speculating that Wilson is on the decline. He, like Baker this season had/has injury problems. He also has DK Metcalf, Lockett. Not much happening with that offense. And yes, Wilson is a winner and proven commodity, I just wonder if a change of scenery sparks him, or has he lost the fire that made him great?
Wilson had his best years when he had a strong running game and a good D, sound familiar ? and would be a huge up grade over baker
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I'm speculating that Wilson is on the decline. He, like Baker this season had/has injury problems. He also has DK Metcalf, Lockett. Not much happening with that offense. And yes, Wilson is a winner and proven commodity, I just wonder if a change of scenery sparks him, or has he lost the fire that made him great?
Wilson had his best years when he had a strong running game and a good D, sound familiar ? and would be a huge up grade over baker
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from watching the beginning of the ratbirds vs bengals game just now....
the ratbirds lost both starting qbs, signed some guy that has been with
13 different teams......
put him on the field, and HE throws right down the field to wide open Bateman, wide open Andrews, wide open Brown, open Bateman, ....etc for a TD.
Bateman, and Brown were all first round draft picks. Andrews, TE, 3rd round. and Sammy Watkins was a first round draft pick.
So, apprently, it doesn't matter who the qb is for the ratbirds....
just sayin......
BTW, the Bucs lost wr's Godwin and Evans to injury - and and Antonio Brown was still finishing suspension.... the Bucs lost 9-0.
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Did anyone else notice DPJ was wide open on that play?
Yeah, that's been well documented with one read Baker. He was rolling out, and already had his mind made up where he was going with the ball. I pointed out in a different game he went deep into double coverage, and on the other side of the field he had either Hooper or Njoku with no one within 10 yards of them for a walk in touchdown.
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from watching the beginning of the ratbirds vs bengals game just now....
the ratbirds lost both starting qbs, signed some guy that has been with
13 different teams......
put him on the field, and HE throws right down the field to wide open Bateman, wide open Andrews, wide open Brown, open Bateman, ....etc for a TD.
Bateman, and Brown were all first round draft picks. Andrews, TE, 3rd round. and Sammy Watkins was a first round draft pick.
So, apprently, it doesn't matter who the qb is for the ratbirds....
just sayin......
BTW, the Bucs lost wr's Godwin and Evans to injury - and and Antonio Brown was still finishing suspension.... the Bucs lost 9-0.
from watching the beginning of the ratbirds vs bengals game just now....
You only watched the opening drive then and proceeded to shut your eyes immediately after.
See how Josh Johnson has been playing since when the Cincy defense isn't exchanging yards for time?
He's at 47% since that drive.
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Browns already picked up Baker's 5th year option, so he's locked in as starting QB next year, whether we like it or not Berry and co. have the philosophy of building through the draft, so unless the Browns get an amazing sweetheart deal from another team, picking up an established QB like Rodgers or Wilson is highly unlikely due to the cost. Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
"That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson -
from watching the beginning of the ratbirds vs bengals game just now....
You only watched the opening drive then and proceeded to shut your eyes immediately after.
See how Josh Johnson has been playing since when the Cincy defense isn't exchanging yards for time?
He's at 47% since that drive.
You only watched the opening drive then and proceeded to shut your eyes immediately after.
See how Josh Johnson has been playing since when the Cincy defense isn't exchanging yards for time?
He's at 47% since that drive.
So, I fell asleep. lol. Good call... dammit. Great food. My Wife told me how it ended. Now, We'll see the Chiefs play without Kelce and how it goes. Great Christmas food leftovers! And my own recipe pumpkin pie .... is way too good.
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If Desaun Watson isn’t in jail, he is who the Browns need to go after. He is actually 5 months younger then Baker
And he is a proven, pro bowl player. With MVP potential.
Plus he is already signed to a contract, that by next year, will be team friendly"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
. But the Browns absolutely have to see what it would take for Rodgers, R. Wilson, or D. Watson. We're not winning a Super Bowl with Baker, ever.
I'm speculating that Wilson is on the decline. He, like Baker this season had/has injury problems. He also has DK Metcalf, Lockett. Not much happening with that offense. And yes, Wilson is a winner and proven commodity, I just wonder if a change of scenery sparks him, or has he lost the fire that made him great?
Rodgers, wouldn't shock me if he left GB, but to come here I doubt it. Browns would have to really break the bank- doesn't seem like something Berry & DePodesta would do.
Watson's situation is so unsettled. Anywhere he lands would be a potential PR nightmare, and his contract is sky high. I read somewhere, I think on profootballtalk.com that legal stuff with him would begin in late January/February. Once that settles, then he & his agent start a plan for him...hopefully it won't be an orchestrated " I'm going to _____" like OBJ, but I can see it happening.
I'm speculating that Wilson is on the decline. He, like Baker this season had/has injury problems
At zero moments in Wilson's entire career has he had an OL as good as the worst one the Browns trotted out in the last 3 seasons. Even in Hawks one title season they were bottom-10 in OL [even though that crew was the most expensive OL] and the last few years Seattle has spent proving the thing we've said for years throughout this forum --- spending lots on QB/WR and having a Ghoolie OL [nothing] does not a SB win.
Yes, we don't have WR.. that's what a draft and targeted FA can fix quick enough.. but we do have [and hopefully can continue to have] everything else with a Wilson.
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I'm speculating that Wilson is on the decline. He, like Baker this season had/has injury problems
At zero moments in Wilson's entire career has he had an OL as good as the worst one the Browns trotted out in the last 3 seasons. Even in Hawks one title season they were bottom-10 in OL [even though that crew was the most expensive OL] and the last few years Seattle has spent proving the thing we've said for years throughout this forum --- spending lots on QB/WR and having a Ghoolie OL [nothing] does not a SB win.
Yes, we don't have WR.. that's what a draft and targeted FA can fix quick enough.. but we do have [and hopefully can continue to have] everything else with a Wilson.
At zero moments in Wilson's entire career has he had an OL as good as the worst one the Browns trotted out in the last 3 seasons. Even in Hawks one title season they were bottom-10 in OL [even though that crew was the most expensive OL] and the last few years Seattle has spent proving the thing we've said for years throughout this forum --- spending lots on QB/WR and having a Ghoolie OL [nothing] does not a SB win.
Yes, we don't have WR.. that's what a draft and targeted FA can fix quick enough.. but we do have [and hopefully can continue to have] everything else with a Wilson.
Except his wife wants a big city market. He is NOT coming to Cleveland
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At zero moments in Wilson's entire career has he had an OL as good as the worst one the Browns trotted out in the last 3 seasons. Even in Hawks one title season they were bottom-10 in OL [even though that crew was the most expensive OL] and the last few years Seattle has spent proving the thing we've said for years throughout this forum --- spending lots on QB/WR and having a Ghoolie OL [nothing] does not a SB win.
Yes, we don't have WR.. that's what a draft and targeted FA can fix quick enough.. but we do have [and hopefully can continue to have] everything else with a Wilson.
Except his wife wants a big city market. He is NOT coming to Cleveland
Except his wife wants a big city market. He is NOT coming to Cleveland
So who then? NYG?
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If Desaun Watson isn’t in jail, he is who the Browns need to go after. He is actually 5 months younger then Baker
And he is a proven, pro bowl player. With MVP potential.
Plus he is already signed to a contract, that by next year, will be team friendlyIf Desaun Watson isn’t in jail, he is who the Browns need to go after. He is actually 5 months younger then Baker
And he is a proven, pro bowl player. With MVP potential.
Plus he is already signed to a contract, that by next year, will be team friendlyProblem is... Great- the Browns offer the Texans Baker, but that's not going to be close to enough. Berry won't trade away a truckload of picks to get a guy with questionable moral issues.
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Browns already picked up Baker's 5th year option, so he's locked in as starting QB next year, whether we like it or not Berry and co. have the philosophy of building through the draft, so unless the Browns get an amazing sweetheart deal from another team, picking up an established QB like Rodgers or Wilson is highly unlikely due to the cost. Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
Browns already picked up Baker's 5th year option, so he's locked in as starting QB next year, whether we like it or not Berry and co. have the philosophy of building through the draft, so unless the Browns get an amazing sweetheart deal from another team, picking up an established QB like Rodgers or Wilson is highly unlikely due to the cost. Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
Overall, I agree jb... BUT if Baker posts a couple more stinko 50ish qbrs in the last two games, and the Browns go 7-10? MHO is Baker isn't going to have the starters job gift wrapped for him in 2022.
That Mayfield is Mr. Anti-clutch with the game on the line- should already be giving Berry cause for concern.
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Except his wife wants a big city market. He is NOT coming to Cleveland
So who then? NYG?
So who then? NYG?
That was the rumor.
Then he came out and said he ain't leaving and plans to be in Seattle for 20 more years
Type his name into Google though. 20 teams names pop up as reported suitors.
Sounds like a massive price tag to me. And he just lost to the Bears... Against Nick Foles.
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Except his wife wants a big city market. He is NOT coming to Cleveland
So who then? NYG?
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I won't lie, I chuckled when I came across this today....
I won't lie, I chuckled when I came across this today....
It was Christmas. The season of giving
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Browns already picked up Baker's 5th year option, so he's locked in as starting QB next year, whether we like it or not Berry and co. have the philosophy of building through the draft, so unless the Browns get an amazing sweetheart deal from another team, picking up an established QB like Rodgers or Wilson is highly unlikely due to the cost. Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
I’d pass on this “Riddle” guy whoever that is ?
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Browns already picked up Baker's 5th year option, so he's locked in as starting QB next year, whether we like it or not Berry and co. have the philosophy of building through the draft, so unless the Browns get an amazing sweetheart deal from another team, picking up an established QB like Rodgers or Wilson is highly unlikely due to the cost. Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
Best course of action would be to draft a QB in this year's draft and let him sit for a year to assimilate the system. Then, if Baker doesn't improve next year, the Browns can cut bait cleanly and have a QB who's firmly established in their system. There really isn't a blue-chipper in this year's QB class, but I could see the Browns using a 2nd rounder on a QB like Riddle from UC.
Well thought out/fair post...
So we have our system QB in 26 y.o. Nick Mullins... size says 6' 1" (which looks shorter walking up to full grown *** men in the trenches)
I'm a favorite of accurate 6'3/6'4 QB's... Mayfield/Mullins all read of size just over 6ft...(bs) Corral/Zappe/Howell/Willis fall into here
So we need to agree on a better than< Nick Mullins future? Drafting such in 2nd or 3rd round? (Much after pick 50-75 is a real dice roll in this draft totally)
Pickett 6'3'.... Ridder 6'4.....Carson Strong 6'4"..... Tanner McKee 6'6"
Well... I think I may have a 4 man list? ?
Nick Mullins--- Undrafted... from Brett Farve St of Southern Miss.... Verse a Fab 4? stay tuned......
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