Watson survey
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Zombo said:
Somewhere between A and B.
I've always thought, long before the Browns got involved, that the whacko Texans brass/ownership heard whispers that he had a thing for massage girls, and when Watson got fed up with this horribly run franchise and demanded a trade, the Texans leaked this info to this attorney, Bisbee, who is very good at convincing people that they were wronged, and that they deserve compensation.
Read up on Cal McNair and Jack Easterby. They are nutjobs, and not fit to run a franchise. And the McNairs had previous connection to Bisbee.
I think they are awful, incompetent people whose attempt to sabotage Watson backfired, but they are still getting a butload of draft picks because the League, and in particular the Browns, believe in Watson, who has built up a lot of good will.
The Texans leadership is the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight, Bisbee is a creep lawyer, and Watson is a young man that likes his tally whacked, but never forced these women to do anything.
Z
Watson wasn't the only one who wanted out Z. When you have a future HOFer with impeccable character like JJ Watt head for the exit, sort of tells you the Texans organization is FUBAR.
"Multiple articles were published about the state of the Texans front office, which was (and still is) being run by a former team chaplain."
"It's hard to have fond emotions when the team you knew has been systematically dismantled and replaced with an unrecognizable losing machine."
Watson wasn't the only one who wanted out Z. When you have a future HOFer with impeccable character like JJ Watt head for the exit, sort of tells you the Texans organization is FUBAR.
DeAndre Hopkins as well...
One as yet unnamed Texan "brass" responsible for the catastrofuck was Bill O'Brian. IMO most responsible of all. Now just another pruned limb off the BB Coaching tree.
As for the OP... what's done is done. My adding another equally uninformed opinion would add nothing. Let the courts do their thing and hope DW and the Browns do theirs.
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Watson advocated for... Eric Bienemy as HC to replace the dumpster fire who was Bill O'Brien.
Watson didn't say anything about the need to fire OBrien because that was quite obvious.
And just to be clear about the sequence.. Mahomes first spoke up for Bienemy to Watson, and Watson relayed that to Texans org.. who responded by not interviewing Bienemy, choosing instead such luminaries as high school coach Josh McCown.
Incidentally, Deshaun Watson also advocated to keep his white OC Tim Kelly. The Texans currently employ someone named Pep Hamilton.
Just to be fair.. I think Bienemy should get a shot... I think hes a great play caller...
Just to be fair.. I think Bienemy should get a shot... I think hes a great play caller...
Well Watson has already proved himself to be a team cancer when he wants control the coaching staff. Wait until Stefanski pisses him off and he demands he be fired.
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Well Watson has already proved himself to be a teen cancer
WSS
NOT A TEEN CANCER!
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Well Watson has already proved himself to be a teen cancer
WSS
NOT A TEEN CANCER!
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???
Oops
Smells like...
WSS
That’s the spirit!
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Well Watson has already proved himself to be a team cancer when he wants control the coaching staff. Wait until Stefanski pisses him off and he demands he be fired.
WSS
Yeah because he's not Black enough..
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Well Watson has already proved himself to be a team cancer when he wants control the coaching staff. Wait until Stefanski pisses him off and he demands he be fired.
WSS
Yeah because he's not Black enough..
Yeah because he's not Black enough..
Post a link for all of us of an article saying that Watson wanted all his white coaches fired in Houston and replaced with black coaches.
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Post a link for all of us of an article saying that Watson wanted all his white coaches fired in Houston and replaced with black coaches.
One day later, still waiting...
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Post a link for all of us of an article saying that Watson wanted all his white coaches fired in Houston and replaced with black coaches.
One day later, still waiting...
One day later, still waiting...
Almost seems like it never happened..?
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Can’t vote as I don’t know enough about what happened. It’s what I was saying to people before he was dealt here… we have unsubstantiated reports as evidence. No one knows. No need to jump off the ship until there’s evidence enough to do so. Does it seem icky? You bet. Does it also come across as suspect? Yeah, honestly. Kinda.
What I suspect has happened (and it could be a shade worse or more innocent):
Watson goes to a masseuse. After she is done, she says “Oh, you’re Deshaun Watson the NFL quarterback? We’ll sir, would you do me the pleasure of allowing me to blow you?” And Watson being a dude says “my pleasure m’lady. Allow me to present to you… my throbbing manhood.” And then afterward he thinks to himself… “well uh… I don’t know if I should go back to that one. It’s kinda weird now that she sucked my cock and everything.”
So Watson finds a new masseuse. And that masseuse in turn says “Hey Mr Watson! Check out how wet my pussy is for you!” “Well hop on, lass!”
And then again afterward he thinks “geez I don’t know if I should go back to this one.”
And so on and so forth with some not expressing desire to fuck him and others quite the opposite. But enough that do so much that Watson makes some bad reads. He oversteps and he makes some women uncomfortable. And that’s no good. And maybe he meant no disrespect. And maybe upon the “no”, he left it at that and didn’t harass anyone. But perhaps his boner should not have been presented in the first place without being damn sure it was welcome.
For those instances, a lady or two comes forward and says “this cat is a creep.” And a few more come forward who actually consented, but can smell the dollarbucks and claim the same. And perhaps one or two who experienced nothing at all sexual get a whiff of potential cash as well, so they pile on.
The money grubbers may have inflated the numbers and made things look worse than they are. But there are probably some with legit concerns who Watson didn’t intend to offend, but definitely positively abso-fucking-lutely should have fucking known fucking better than to assume that they wanted to fuck him, with whom he acted recklessly and without proper regard.
Presenting a boner? Icky. Unwanted verbal advances? Ditto. Can I learn to live with those with some remorse and a lesson learned? Probably. Because I’ve been cheering for a team without a quarterback my entire adult life. And that’s just the level of hypocrite I’m willing to reduce myself to.
Cramming that unwanted boner down the throat of an unwilling person? I’m drawing a line and will turn in my fan card until Watson is no longer around. Can’t abide by it.
But do I know what level this rises to? Nope! So I’m basing my excitement level on Browns management hopefully being smart enough to understand where they could draw that line. And with what they know, hopefully it’s a sign that it’s not as bad as we fear.
Can’t vote as I don’t know enough about what happened. It’s what I was saying to people before he was dealt here… we have unsubstantiated reports as evidence. No one knows. No need to jump off the ship until there’s evidence enough to do so. Does it seem icky? You bet. Does it also come across as suspect? Yeah, honestly. Kinda.
Yeah you can. No one knows enough about what happened.
The objective of the thread is to take a guess.
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All these people wanting Watson lynched are probably the same people who wanted the central park 5 executed. Look what happened there. Lets wait until he is convicted first or a court decides he did what was alleged before he is condemned. USA is like the UK Guilty until proven innocent. Everyone hating on the Browns because Watson chose us ....I hope the hate of those people also stretches out to New Orleans, Atlanta and Carolina ..... or are they exempt now because he chose to come to a better team ?
All these people wanting Watson lynched are probably the same people who wanted the central park 5 executed. Look what happened there. Lets wait until he is convicted first or a court decides he did what was alleged before he is condemned. USA is like the UK Guilty until proven innocent. Everyone hating on the Browns because Watson chose us ....I hope the hate of those people also stretches out to New Orleans, Atlanta and Carolina ..... or are they exempt now because he chose to come to a better team ?
The "same people"? I doubt it. That was 33 years ago.
Yeah "poor Browns". Your "woe is me" attitude has put you out of touch with reality ...Jealousy has little to do with it.
Everyone is hating on the Browns not because Watson chose us, but because the Browns chose Watson.
It was pretty much established that whoever chose the sexual deviant was gonna be met with intense scrutiny.
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They are disgusted. Like many other fans, I have said the same kind of thing. I just can't go on caring about a team
that has done this garbage. Grand jury - doesn't take sides - it goes by evidence - and hearsay on both sides isn't it.
Does not mean that he is innocent. - and his track record is a disgrace.
22 -- may very well be true. The red line has been crossed. I'm proud of Jim Thome and his Wife. If you never stand for something, you stand for nothing. It's time for people who care to stand up.
If it were any other team, I'd be just as disgusted. I just can't make excuses for the browns' stupidity and lack of integrity.
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Jim Thome’s Wife Says Family is Canceling Browns Season Tickets After Deshaun Watson Trade
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Andrea Thome, the wife of former Cleveland baseball player Jim Thome, announced on Twitter that her family canceled their season tickets for Browns games Friday after the team introduced quarterback Deshaun Watson.
“Officially cancelled our Browns season tickets today and asked for a refund as they were paid in full,” she said in the tweet. “Very sad after 40 years as a fan, but this is my line in the sand. I believe women. Especially when there are 22 of them. That press conference did nothing to change my mind.” '
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Everybody has an opinion. And honestly none of us know what happened for sure. Do you believe:
A all of these women are lying or exaggerating looking for a quick buck. No conviction equals no problem.
B some of them are lying (enough to disqualify the whole case) and jumped on the bandwagon. No conviction but still troublesome.
C he probably went over the line but it wasn't forcible rape so boys will be boys.
D he did it and should face the consequences.
F something else
WSS
Everybody has an opinion. And honestly none of us know what happened for sure. Do you believe:
A all of these women are lying or exaggerating looking for a quick buck. No conviction equals no problem.
B some of them are lying (enough to disqualify the whole case) and jumped on the bandwagon. No conviction but still troublesome. Itsit
C he probably went over the line but it wasn't forcible rape so boys will be boys.
D he did it and should face the consequences.
F something else
WSS
That was March 26 it's now April 9 and this thing appears to be gaining steam right up to the 2022 NFL Draft, great timing.
I think it's still a combination of B C D F but as time goes on even that might shake out some.
It looks like a great show for NETFLIX or maybe some MA movie. Stay tuned, he's only the Cleveland BROWNS starting quarterback......maybe.
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I just saw that too. So Cal where does it stop.....or does it ?
I really don't know. Maybe it just won't end. I have friends who have said what I've decided and felt, before they knew how I felt about it. I was in the grocery store the other day, and a guy was wearing his browns jacket - I asked him what he thought about that trade - he said he only wore his jacket because it was cold - he was going to sell it at a garage sale. I said we could donate our brown garb to a Ukrainian relief fund, and his Wife said that was a great idea. Seems that the number of folks disgusted is greater than a few here and there. No more stupid mock drafts anymore from me.
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I just saw that too. So Cal where does it stop.....or does it ?
I really don't know. Maybe it just won't end. I have friends who have said what I've decided and felt, before they knew how I felt about it. I was in the grocery store the other day, and a guy was wearing his browns jacket - I asked him what he thought about that trade - he said he only wore his jacket because it was cold - he was going to sell it at a garage sale. I said we could donate our brown garb to a Ukrainian relief fund, and his Wife said that was a great idea. Seems that the number of folks disgusted is greater than a few here and there. No more stupid mock drafts anymore from me.
No more stupid mock drafts anymore from me.
So there is a silver lining to be found from all this.
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