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  • Vambo VamboV Dedicated Reacting Well Conversation Starter First Post Posting Machine Collaborator Week One Done One Year In One Month Later Very Popular
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    https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bud-grant-nfl-toughen-up-reduce-fair-catches-kneeldowns

    Grant apparently believes the NFL has gotten too soft

    And Grant did in fact speak — specifically about the rules as they relate to quarterback kneeldowns and the kicking game. Basically, he thinks it’s all gotten too soft. So he would like to see the league find a way to reduce kneeldowns and touchbacks, and yes, even fair catches.

    "I would complain to people about the idea that when the trailing team was out of timeouts, the quarterback starts kneeling down and the fans are leaving," Grant told the Minneapolis Star Tribune, adding that the answer was always, ‘There’s nothing that can be done about it.’ I kept thinking about it and decided, ‘Yes, there is. The team on offense has to make a yard — 1 yard — or the clock stops. A few things can happen when trying to make a yard. You can get stuffed. You can fumble. You can get a penalty. And you keep the fans interested."...

    ... "I attended enough meetings to know the NFL wants to avoid admitting Canadian football has a better idea about anything. Yet, they should follow Canada and take away the fair catch," Grant said. "There’s no fair catch in Canada, but the coverage also has to give the returner 5 yards. NFL people hear this and they’ll say, ‘It will increase injuries.’ The 5-yard cushion makes all the difference. My opinion is there won’t be a real increase in injuries, and the punt would become an interesting play."

    And don’t even get him started on players kneeling in the end zone on kickoffs.

    "Why bother, if your goal is to make the kickoff the most-nothing play in football? They say it’s about safety. Injuries happen on every play," Grant said. "They have made several changes on the way you can block on the kickoff. They can keep those. But you wait three minutes through a timeout, they come back, kick off, walk the ball out to 25."

    "It’s ridiculous," he added. "Move the kickoff back 5 yards [to the 30], and if you don’t bring it out, you don’t get rewarded with the 25. You get the ball at the 15."

    Grant’s ideas are actually pretty decent. But he’s probably right about the NFL not be willing to listen and make things more enjoyable for the fans. After all, the NFL thinks it always knows best. Forget the fact Grant has been around about as long as it has.

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      https://www.foxnews.com/sports/bud-grant-nfl-toughen-up-reduce-fair-catches-kneeldowns

      Grant apparently believes the NFL has gotten too soft

      And Grant did in fact speak — specifically about the rules as they relate to quarterback kneeldowns and the kicking game. Basically, he thinks it’s all gotten too soft. So he would like to see the league find a way to reduce kneeldowns and touchbacks, and yes, even fair catches.

      "I would complain to people about the idea that when the trailing team was out of timeouts, the quarterback starts kneeling down and the fans are leaving," Grant told the Minneapolis Star Tribune, adding that the answer was always, ‘There’s nothing that can be done about it.’ I kept thinking about it and decided, ‘Yes, there is. The team on offense has to make a yard — 1 yard — or the clock stops. A few things can happen when trying to make a yard. You can get stuffed. You can fumble. You can get a penalty. And you keep the fans interested."...

      ... "I attended enough meetings to know the NFL wants to avoid admitting Canadian football has a better idea about anything. Yet, they should follow Canada and take away the fair catch," Grant said. "There’s no fair catch in Canada, but the coverage also has to give the returner 5 yards. NFL people hear this and they’ll say, ‘It will increase injuries.’ The 5-yard cushion makes all the difference. My opinion is there won’t be a real increase in injuries, and the punt would become an interesting play."

      And don’t even get him started on players kneeling in the end zone on kickoffs.

      "Why bother, if your goal is to make the kickoff the most-nothing play in football? They say it’s about safety. Injuries happen on every play," Grant said. "They have made several changes on the way you can block on the kickoff. They can keep those. But you wait three minutes through a timeout, they come back, kick off, walk the ball out to 25."

      "It’s ridiculous," he added. "Move the kickoff back 5 yards [to the 30], and if you don’t bring it out, you don’t get rewarded with the 25. You get the ball at the 15."

      Grant’s ideas are actually pretty decent. But he’s probably right about the NFL not be willing to listen and make things more enjoyable for the fans. After all, the NFL thinks it always knows best. Forget the fact Grant has been around about as long as it has.

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      Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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      @vambo said:

      Grant apparently believes the NFL has gotten too soft

      Grant’s ideas are actually pretty decent. But he’s probably right about the NFL not be willing to listen and make things more enjoyable for the fans. After all, the NFL thinks it always knows best. Forget the fact Grant has been around about as long as it has.

      Grant is right, especially on the kickoffs. I can't stand that the kick return & inside kick have basically been deleted in today's game.

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        Grant apparently believes the NFL has gotten too soft

        Grant’s ideas are actually pretty decent. But he’s probably right about the NFL not be willing to listen and make things more enjoyable for the fans. After all, the NFL thinks it always knows best. Forget the fact Grant has been around about as long as it has.

        Grant is right, especially on the kickoffs. I can't stand that the kick return & inside kick have basically been deleted in today's game.

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        @bob806 said:

        Grant is right, especially on the kickoffs. I can't stand that the kick return & inside kick have basically been deleted in today's game.

        That was always fun watching the return guys, some of the most exciting plays.

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          Zombo said:

          Totally thought he was dead.

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          I totally would have lost all bets on that one, just turned 95 last Friday.   6' 3" tough dude. 

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            gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by gumby73
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            "Alex... Give me Bud Grant's still alive at 95... for $600" ?

            The last Bud Grant stories, aware of, was Bud's famous yearly Garage Sales.

            .https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/may/18/former-vikings-coach-bud-grant-runs-disciplined-ga/

            We should all hope for that kind of sharp thinking mind at age 95... Well Done Coach Grant ! this era of paid players, just don't get what the real NFL was like... 

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                  gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                  I could see the 5 yard fair catch rule being a constant booth review/challenge... gunners don't watch where the ball is likely to land..

                  but stopping both's momentum with both restarting? 5-6 yards away? I don't watch the CFL.. Does it work? 

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                    Constrain The Elderly?

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                      Constrain The Elderly?

                      You know how Woody feels about the older generations.

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                        Constrain The Elderly?

                        You know how Woody feels about the older generations.

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                        GorkaG Gorka wrote on last edited by Gorka
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                        Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is a degenerative brain disease found in athletes.

                        So forcing a team to go all out instead of taking a knee that last minute increases the risk?

                        Didn't the NFL just add an entire game Woody?

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                          @westside-steve said:

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                          OK I found it.

                          Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is a degenerative brain disease found in athletes.

                          So forcing a team to go all out instead of taking a knee that last minute increases the risk?

                          Didn't the NFL just add an entire game Woody?

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                          @gorka said:

                          OK I found it.

                          Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) is a degenerative brain disease found in athletes.

                          So forcing a team to go all out instead of taking a knee that last minute increases the risk?

                          Didn't the NFL just add an entire game Woody?

                          Don't muddle this thread with facts. Nobody likes that guy. 

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                              Bud Grant was/is a thick headed hard-ass.   Frozen outdoor games in Minnesota.....the opponents could have heaters on the sidelines to thaw their feet and hands.....but not the Vikings....nope.....thick-head wouldn't allow them on his Vikings half of the sidelines.  YOU'LL STAY WITH FROZEN FINGERS AND TOES....AND LIKE IT!!

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                                Here's Bud Grant, playing for the Eagles vs the Browns, 1952.

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                                  Bud Winnipeg Blue Bombers End 1953.

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                                    Bud was a tough SOB.  A few years back he went out for a coin flip outdoors when it was -6 outside.

                                    Not sure why the game was outdoors then...maybe it was when the Dome up there collapsed under the weight or snow, or maybe it was rain and had to close for a period of time for repairs..

                                    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                      Bud was a tough SOB.  A few years back he went out for a coin flip outdoors when it was -6 outside.

                                      Not sure why the game was outdoors then...maybe it was when the Dome up there collapsed under the weight or snow, or maybe it was rain and had to close for a period of time for repairs..

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                                      @ballpeen said:

                                      Bud was a tough SOB.  A few years back he went out for a coin flip outdoors when it was -6 outside.

                                      Not sure why the game was outdoors then...maybe it was when the Dome up there collapsed under the weight or snow, or maybe it was rain and had to close for a period of time for repairs..

                                      I think it was when they tore down the Metrodome and were building their current dome in the same spot, and played a few seasons at the U of Minnesota's outdoor stadium.

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                                        Bud was a tough SOB.  A few years back he went out for a coin flip outdoors when it was -6 outside.

                                        Not sure why the game was outdoors then...maybe it was when the Dome up there collapsed under the weight or snow, or maybe it was rain and had to close for a period of time for repairs..

                                        I think it was when they tore down the Metrodome and were building their current dome in the same spot, and played a few seasons at the U of Minnesota's outdoor stadium.

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                                        @dutch-oven said:

                                        I think it was when they tore down the Metrodome and were building their current dome in the same spot, and played a few seasons at the U of Minnesota's outdoor stadium.

                                        Thanks...that was it.  I couldn't remember the details.

                                        If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                          So why not just put the kickoff back to where it was just don't give the players a running start. Can't start running until the ball is in the air. They robbed us of the Devin Hester's and Joshua Cribbs of the return game.

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