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  • FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
    #1

    While pro football is being rendered meaningless in Cleveland once again by the Owner and FO, our first pre-season game for 2023 begins on December 4th, 2022.  Interestingly enough, both teams would be in the battle for the 1st overall pick but Houston owns our 1st pick.  In any event, we'll get our 1st look at Deshaun Watson for the final 6 weeks of meaningless football.

    I guess I'm looking forward to preseason football in December.  

  • While pro football is being rendered meaningless in Cleveland once again by the Owner and FO, our first pre-season game for 2023 begins on December 4th, 2022.  Interestingly enough, both teams would be in the battle for the 1st overall pick but Houston owns our 1st pick.  In any event, we'll get our 1st look at Deshaun Watson for the final 6 weeks of meaningless football.

    I guess I'm looking forward to preseason football in December.  

    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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    @flugel said:

    While pro football is being rendered meaningless in Cleveland once again by the Owner and FO, our first pre-season game for 2023 begins on December 4th, 2022.  Interestingly enough, both teams would be in the battle for the 1st overall pick but Houston owns our 1st pick.  In any event, we'll get our 1st look at Deshaun Watson for the final 6 weeks of meaningless football.

    I guess I'm looking forward to preseason football in December.  

    Four games left until the return of the Massage Messiah. I'm not hopeful that we can win even one of the four.  🙁 

  • @flugel said:

    While pro football is being rendered meaningless in Cleveland once again by the Owner and FO, our first pre-season game for 2023 begins on December 4th, 2022.  Interestingly enough, both teams would be in the battle for the 1st overall pick but Houston owns our 1st pick.  In any event, we'll get our 1st look at Deshaun Watson for the final 6 weeks of meaningless football.

    I guess I'm looking forward to preseason football in December.  

    Four games left until the return of the Massage Messiah. I'm not hopeful that we can win even one of the four.  🙁 

    bjh2130B bjh2130 wrote on last edited by
    #3

    @hoorta said:

    Four games left until the return of the Massage Messiah. I'm not hopeful that we can win even one of the four.  🙁 

    The buccs are pretty terrible for some reason so im hoping on that one.  Honestly i predicted 4-7 when watson came back and realistically if we didn't bust coverages for 60+ yard tds in the 4th quarter when we've just went up 2 scores we would already be at 4 wins. I also think that's what hurts the most this season.  Very easily the browns could be 6-1 and absolutely shouldn't be worse than 4-3 but here we are

  • @flugel said:

    While pro football is being rendered meaningless in Cleveland once again by the Owner and FO, our first pre-season game for 2023 begins on December 4th, 2022.  Interestingly enough, both teams would be in the battle for the 1st overall pick but Houston owns our 1st pick.  In any event, we'll get our 1st look at Deshaun Watson for the final 6 weeks of meaningless football.

    I guess I'm looking forward to preseason football in December.  

    Four games left until the return of the Massage Messiah. I'm not hopeful that we can win even one of the four.  🙁 

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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    @hoorta said:

    Four games left until the return of the Massage Messiah. I'm not hopeful that we can win even one of the four.  🙁 

    I will take all 6 games probably to "shake off the rust"

  • While pro football is being rendered meaningless in Cleveland once again by the Owner and FO, our first pre-season game for 2023 begins on December 4th, 2022.  Interestingly enough, both teams would be in the battle for the 1st overall pick but Houston owns our 1st pick.  In any event, we'll get our 1st look at Deshaun Watson for the final 6 weeks of meaningless football.

    I guess I'm looking forward to preseason football in December.  

    OrionO Orion wrote on last edited by
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    @flugel said:

    While pro football is being rendered meaningless in Cleveland once again by the Owner and FO, our first pre-season game for 2023 begins on December 4th, 2022.  Interestingly enough, both teams would be in the battle for the 1st overall pick but Houston owns our 1st pick.  In any event, we'll get our 1st look at Deshaun Watson for the final 6 weeks of meaningless football.

    I guess I'm looking forward to preseason football in December.  

    You nailed it Flugel!  

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

  • Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    sydS syd wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    i didn't hear williams but i did Hunt bet they showcase him  on mnf

  • Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
    #8

    @dutch-oven said:

    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    We have to stock up for the next regime that takes over next season...

  • sydS syd

    @dutch-oven said:

    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    i didn't hear williams but i did Hunt bet they showcase him  on mnf

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
    #9

    @syd said:

    i didn't hear williams but i did Hunt bet they showcase him  on mnf

    I'll be at the game, I'll give him our warmest good luck wishes ?

  • @syd said:

    i didn't hear williams but i did Hunt bet they showcase him  on mnf

    I'll be at the game, I'll give him our warmest good luck wishes ?

    sydS syd wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    I'll be at the game, I'll give him our warmest good luck wishes ?

    helluva good time i bet tell hunt i said high

  • Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    Greedy should have been traded yesterday 

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    Greedy should have been traded yesterday 

    sydS syd wrote on last edited by
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    @sdbacker80 said:

    Greedy should have been traded yesterday 

    well if were all ready looking towards next year  the more draft picks the better 

  • Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @dutch-oven said:

    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    This a good spot to do that.  Thanks Dutch! 

    Can we trade our owner for Robert Kraft?  His last 2 Head Coaches (and maybe only 2 Head Coaches) are Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick.  In other words,  if any one of the 3 Coordinators in charge of their phase of the game wasn't/isn't doing their job - they got/will get their fanny lit right on the spot (quite often in front of the players or along the sideline on game day). It starts at the top - not at the Coordinators.  In NE, young guys that prove their work ethics get promoted into Coordinator positions that they cherish there.  The saying for players and coaching staff there is this simple "DO YOUR JOB!"  

    When an owner actually has a clue as to what he needs and identifies what he is looking for; then he needs to have an organized hiring criteria.  If not, he's always going to be the AFC version of the Detroit Lions with a backup QB like George Plimpton (The Paper Lion) or poor JaQB Sneak Brissett... Firing Head Coaches and Coordinators every 2-3 years removes foundations.  Then there's usually GM that has to be hired.  If so, it's usually a good idea to get him or her first so they are involved in the hiring of the next Head Coach.  Pittsburgh started up 70s dynasty on a philosophy before a very compatible Chuck Noll (former messenger Guard that played for Paul Brown in Cleveland).  The Rooneys DO like their Head Coaches that played for the Cleveland Browns (Noll and Cowher).  The sad thing thing is Jimmy was very small minority owner of the Steelers; and the guy didn't learn a freakin about how to run a GREAT football program with continuity instead of constant start overs.   

    Rant over - sorry.

  • @syd said:

    i didn't hear williams but i did Hunt bet they showcase him  on mnf

    I'll be at the game, I'll give him our warmest good luck wishes ?

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
    #14

    @dutch-oven said:

    I'll be at the game, I'll give him our warmest good luck wishes ?

    I'm sure you already know that's Halloween; so if you have any outrageous photos you can share the next day or so - it would be a great way to get our minds off what unfolded on the field Monday Night if need be...

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    This a good spot to do that.  Thanks Dutch! 

    Can we trade our owner for Robert Kraft?  His last 2 Head Coaches (and maybe only 2 Head Coaches) are Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick.  In other words,  if any one of the 3 Coordinators in charge of their phase of the game wasn't/isn't doing their job - they got/will get their fanny lit right on the spot (quite often in front of the players or along the sideline on game day). It starts at the top - not at the Coordinators.  In NE, young guys that prove their work ethics get promoted into Coordinator positions that they cherish there.  The saying for players and coaching staff there is this simple "DO YOUR JOB!"  

    When an owner actually has a clue as to what he needs and identifies what he is looking for; then he needs to have an organized hiring criteria.  If not, he's always going to be the AFC version of the Detroit Lions with a backup QB like George Plimpton (The Paper Lion) or poor JaQB Sneak Brissett... Firing Head Coaches and Coordinators every 2-3 years removes foundations.  Then there's usually GM that has to be hired.  If so, it's usually a good idea to get him or her first so they are involved in the hiring of the next Head Coach.  Pittsburgh started up 70s dynasty on a philosophy before a very compatible Chuck Noll (former messenger Guard that played for Paul Brown in Cleveland).  The Rooneys DO like their Head Coaches that played for the Cleveland Browns (Noll and Cowher).  The sad thing thing is Jimmy was very small minority owner of the Steelers; and the guy didn't learn a freakin about how to run a GREAT football program with continuity instead of constant start overs.   

    Rant over - sorry.

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
    #15

    @flugel said:

    This a good spot to do that.  Thanks Dutch! 

    Can we trade our owner for Robert Kraft?  His last 2 Head Coaches (and maybe only 2 Head Coaches) are Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick.  In other words,  if any one of the 3 Coordinators in charge of their phase of the game wasn't/isn't doing their job - they got/will get their fanny lit right on the spot (quite often in front of the players or along the sideline on game day). It starts at the top - not at the Coordinators.  In NE, young guys that prove their work ethics get promoted into Coordinator positions that they cherish there.  The saying for players and coaching staff there is this simple "DO YOUR JOB!"  

    When an owner actually has a clue as to what he needs and identifies what he is looking for; then he needs to have an organized hiring criteria.  If not, he's always going to be the AFC version of the Detroit Lions with a backup QB like George Plimpton (The Paper Lion) or poor JaQB Sneak Brissett... Firing Head Coaches and Coordinators every 2-3 years removes foundations.  Then there's usually GM that has to be hired.  If so, it's usually a good idea to get him or her first so they are involved in the hiring of the next Head Coach.  Pittsburgh started up 70s dynasty on a philosophy before a very compatible Chuck Noll (former messenger Guard that played for Paul Brown in Cleveland).  The Rooneys DO like their Head Coaches that played for the Cleveland Browns (Noll and Cowher).  The sad thing thing is Jimmy was very small minority owner of the Steelers; and the guy didn't learn a freakin about how to run a GREAT football program with continuity instead of constant start overs.   

    Rant over - sorry.

    Please tell us what foundation Kevvy is building?... I'll wait...

  • @dutch-oven said:

    Not sure where to put this, but apparently players are being put on the proverbial trade block... Names rumored are Greedy Williams and Kareem Hunt. 

    Might as well get some draft picks. 

    This a good spot to do that.  Thanks Dutch! 

    Can we trade our owner for Robert Kraft?  His last 2 Head Coaches (and maybe only 2 Head Coaches) are Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick.  In other words,  if any one of the 3 Coordinators in charge of their phase of the game wasn't/isn't doing their job - they got/will get their fanny lit right on the spot (quite often in front of the players or along the sideline on game day). It starts at the top - not at the Coordinators.  In NE, young guys that prove their work ethics get promoted into Coordinator positions that they cherish there.  The saying for players and coaching staff there is this simple "DO YOUR JOB!"  

    When an owner actually has a clue as to what he needs and identifies what he is looking for; then he needs to have an organized hiring criteria.  If not, he's always going to be the AFC version of the Detroit Lions with a backup QB like George Plimpton (The Paper Lion) or poor JaQB Sneak Brissett... Firing Head Coaches and Coordinators every 2-3 years removes foundations.  Then there's usually GM that has to be hired.  If so, it's usually a good idea to get him or her first so they are involved in the hiring of the next Head Coach.  Pittsburgh started up 70s dynasty on a philosophy before a very compatible Chuck Noll (former messenger Guard that played for Paul Brown in Cleveland).  The Rooneys DO like their Head Coaches that played for the Cleveland Browns (Noll and Cowher).  The sad thing thing is Jimmy was very small minority owner of the Steelers; and the guy didn't learn a freakin about how to run a GREAT football program with continuity instead of constant start overs.   

    Rant over - sorry.

    Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven
    #16

    @flugel said:

    This a good spot to do that.  Thanks Dutch! 

    Can we trade our owner for Robert Kraft?  His last 2 Head Coaches (and maybe only 2 Head Coaches) are Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick.  In other words,  if any one of the 3 Coordinators in charge of their phase of the game wasn't/isn't doing their job - they got/will get their fanny lit right on the spot (quite often in front of the players or along the sideline on game day). It starts at the top - not at the Coordinators.  In NE, young guys that prove their work ethics get promoted into Coordinator positions that they cherish there.  The saying for players and coaching staff there is this simple "DO YOUR JOB!"  

    When an owner actually has a clue as to what he needs and identifies what he is looking for; then he needs to have an organized hiring criteria.  If not, he's always going to be the AFC version of the Detroit Lions with a backup QB like George Plimpton (The Paper Lion) or poor JaQB Sneak Brissett... Firing Head Coaches and Coordinators every 2-3 years removes foundations.  Then there's usually GM that has to be hired.  If so, it's usually a good idea to get him or her first so they are involved in the hiring of the next Head Coach.  Pittsburgh started up 70s dynasty on a philosophy before a very compatible Chuck Noll (former messenger Guard that played for Paul Brown in Cleveland).  The Rooneys DO like their Head Coaches that played for the Cleveland Browns (Noll and Cowher).  The sad thing thing is Jimmy was very small minority owner of the Steelers; and the guy didn't learn a freakin about how to run a GREAT football program with continuity instead of constant start overs.   

    Rant over - sorry.

  • Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by Dutch Oven
    #17

    So interesting you bring up Kraft and the Patriots @flugel, they are mentioned in this very good "state of the Browns" episode today of the Ultimate Cleveland Sports Show. 

  • @flugel said:

    This a good spot to do that.  Thanks Dutch! 

    Can we trade our owner for Robert Kraft?  His last 2 Head Coaches (and maybe only 2 Head Coaches) are Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick.  In other words,  if any one of the 3 Coordinators in charge of their phase of the game wasn't/isn't doing their job - they got/will get their fanny lit right on the spot (quite often in front of the players or along the sideline on game day). It starts at the top - not at the Coordinators.  In NE, young guys that prove their work ethics get promoted into Coordinator positions that they cherish there.  The saying for players and coaching staff there is this simple "DO YOUR JOB!"  

    When an owner actually has a clue as to what he needs and identifies what he is looking for; then he needs to have an organized hiring criteria.  If not, he's always going to be the AFC version of the Detroit Lions with a backup QB like George Plimpton (The Paper Lion) or poor JaQB Sneak Brissett... Firing Head Coaches and Coordinators every 2-3 years removes foundations.  Then there's usually GM that has to be hired.  If so, it's usually a good idea to get him or her first so they are involved in the hiring of the next Head Coach.  Pittsburgh started up 70s dynasty on a philosophy before a very compatible Chuck Noll (former messenger Guard that played for Paul Brown in Cleveland).  The Rooneys DO like their Head Coaches that played for the Cleveland Browns (Noll and Cowher).  The sad thing thing is Jimmy was very small minority owner of the Steelers; and the guy didn't learn a freakin about how to run a GREAT football program with continuity instead of constant start overs.   

    Rant over - sorry.

    Please tell us what foundation Kevvy is building?... I'll wait...

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
    #18

    @nickers said:

    Please tell us what foundation Kevvy is building?... I'll wait...

    I was talking about the owner so you're damn right you're gonna wait...

  • @nickers said:

    Please tell us what foundation Kevvy is building?... I'll wait...

    I was talking about the owner so you're damn right you're gonna wait...

    nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
    #19

    @flugel said:

    I was talking about the owner so you're damn right you're gonna wait...

    Haslam isnt building much of one either...

  • @flugel said:

    I was talking about the owner so you're damn right you're gonna wait...

    Haslam isnt building much of one either...

    FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by
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    @nickers said:

    Haslam isnt building much of one either...

    Everything starts at the top.  I explained that in the post you replied to.  The problem is bigger than the current symptom giving you a headache.  It's the owner that doesn't know what he's doing.  For example, he hired Stefanski 2 weeks before he hired the GM.  That arranged work marriage doesn't set up like if there's a divorce - it becomes when there's a divorce.  In other words?  Even with this team making the playoffs at the end of their 1st season together, the same GM that said he didn't draft Baker also can say he wasn't a part of hiring Stefanski.  When Berry doesn't want the Head Coach and Coordinators cutting his draft picks guess what starts colliding?   Philosophies that should have been part of the interview.  One problem.  The owner hired the Head Coach before he hired the GM.  Are you understanding Haslam doesn't know what he is doing yet?  If not you're always going to blaming the symptoms instead of the cancer killing this team.