Mayfield
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I'm not damning him; and I think you of all people know how many times I used to stick up for him. I'm correcting guys that are pretending he's been way better than Deshaun Watson.
No...you're not correcting anyone. You're trying to make some of us see the situation from your twisted perspective. "Pretending" to you is actually reality. After "3rd string on Carolina" Mayfield, sucking so bad, he's still at a 98.9 qb rating, compared to Watson's 69.3 for this season. I can only judge a player by his most recent games. Mayfield is very inconsistent at best, but Watson....I have yet to see ANYTHING that indicates he is now, or ever will be a top 5 qb in the NFL.
No...you're not correcting anyone. You're trying to make some of us see the situation from your twisted perspective. "Pretending" to you is actually reality. After "3rd string on Carolina" Mayfield, sucking so bad, he's still at a 98.9 qb rating, compared to Watson's 69.3 for this season. I can only judge a player by his most recent games. Mayfield is very inconsistent at best, but Watson....I have yet to see ANYTHING that indicates he is now, or ever will be a top 5 qb in the NFL.
These are Baker's what have you done for me lately prior to joining the Defending Super Bowl Champions
Baker: cmp% yds TD INT Rating
202257.81,3136674.4202160.53,010171383.1 -
With Mayfield being a free agent after this season, do the Rams move on from Stafford and make him their starting QB?
Because Stafford wasn't exactly lighting things up before he got injured, and Baker is much younger. Seems like the Rams would be foolish to let Baker go, yes?
And is there any truth to the rumors that Sean McVay might pull a Dick Vermeil and walk away from the sidelines and go to a cushy TV position?
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If anyone watched baker play for Cleveland they’d see a mediocre QB that couldn’t throw over his line unless it was 30 yards over his receivers dead.
the guy got benched for darnold and cut, reportedly locker room cancer.
he has two good games and now we all love him? Makes no sense.
watson played average which is whatever, but baker is not an nfl starter.
Average??...47.1 qb rating?...135 yards...0 tds and 1 int.??? ..if that's acceptable to you, then you deserve him.
Average??...47.1 qb rating?...135 yards...0 tds and 1 int.??? ..if that's acceptable to you, then you deserve him.
But there's the "rust" factor. You forgot about that. Those numbers may be acceptable considering the rust factor.
If you can quantify rust on a scale of 1 to 10, Watson would have a rust factor at or near 10.
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Baker has 0 Pro Bowls, 1 playoff appearance and often had passer ratings that ranked him anywhere between 16 + 32 overall.
You seem to put a lot of stock in Pro Bowls.
Lets take a look at some other “elite” Pro Bowl QB’s:
Matt Cassel
Nick Foles
Andy Dalton
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Kordell Stewart
Vince Young
And last but not least, our own Derek Anderson.
There’s not a starting caliber QB in that list, yet they were selected to a Pro Bowl.
This is why I laugh at Pro Bowl selections.
You seem to put a lot of stock in Pro Bowls.
Lets take a look at some other “elite” Pro Bowl QB’s:
Matt Cassel
Nick Foles
Andy Dalton
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Kordell Stewart
Vince Young
And last but not least, our own Derek Anderson.
There’s not a starting caliber QB in that list, yet they were selected to a Pro Bowl.
This is why I laugh at Pro Bowl selections.
You're laughing at how easy it is to make; so wouldn't it be nice to at least see Baker make the list once as a 1st overall pick?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
So....your point is that Watson WAS a better qb at some point....ok. I did watch as much of that game that I could possibly watch without puking. These excuses you're using for Watson, never were considered for Mayfield. Like I said...if your comfortable with Watson's stats...including a 69.3 qb rating for the season, I guess I'm just a little more demanding of a guy that is advertised as a " top 5 qb", "elite", and a "franchise qb". Especially, at the cost.
At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
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With Mayfield being a free agent after this season, do the Rams move on from Stafford and make him their starting QB?
Because Stafford wasn't exactly lighting things up before he got injured, and Baker is much younger. Seems like the Rams would be foolish to let Baker go, yes?
And is there any truth to the rumors that Sean McVay might pull a Dick Vermeil and walk away from the sidelines and go to a cushy TV position?
With Mayfield being a free agent after this season, do the Rams move on from Stafford and make him their starting QB?
Because Stafford wasn't exactly lighting things up before he got injured, and Baker is much younger. Seems like the Rams would be foolish to let Baker go, yes?
And is there any truth to the rumors that Sean McVay might pull a Dick Vermeil and walk away from the sidelines and go to a cushy TV position?
That conversation is the topic on the Rams message board right now....I would guarantee it.
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At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
Here's Watson's 1st 4 years projecting a good future when he gets his 1st full season here. You don't have to agree because you won't anyway.
cmp% Yds TD INT Rating
202070.24,823337112.4201967.33,852261298.0201868.34,165269103.1201761.81,699198103.0 -
With Mayfield being a free agent after this season, do the Rams move on from Stafford and make him their starting QB?
Because Stafford wasn't exactly lighting things up before he got injured, and Baker is much younger. Seems like the Rams would be foolish to let Baker go, yes?
And is there any truth to the rumors that Sean McVay might pull a Dick Vermeil and walk away from the sidelines and go to a cushy TV position?
That conversation is the topic on the Rams message board right now....I would guarantee it.
That conversation is the topic on the Rams message board right now....I would guarantee it.
But here's the rub...
All the Baker guys on here keep telling the world that the Browns are doomed for eternity because the Browns gave up three first round picks.
Well, if the Rams do indeed decide to roll with Baker as their QB for the future, he's going to be on a team that has been completely decimated for years to come in draft picks, with a head coach with an eye on his future gig as a football announcer on TV.
It will be interesting to watch the situation unravel.
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At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
I got ya! This is a very good post and I understand the concern you have about what they gave up. I always like to understand where someone is coming from and why. I freaked out when this was first going down. Let's be honest, there's been easier QBs here to like given why Watson needed to be suspended. My wife thinks Watson is a complete scum bag as I imagine plenty of others in here have wives that don't like the guy. However, she said you've loved that team for decades so don't let 1 guy stop you from your family tradition of following this team. I think he can become a good QB here when gets back to the full cycle of mini camps/OTAs, training camp, preseason and a regulation season that begins in week 1.
I never hated Baker. Still don't; but I think he can be his biggest enemy some times.
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I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......
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So....your point is that Watson WAS a better qb at some point....ok. I did watch as much of that game that I could possibly watch without puking. These excuses you're using for Watson, never were considered for Mayfield. Like I said...if your comfortable with Watson's stats...including a 69.3 qb rating for the season, I guess I'm just a little more demanding of a guy that is advertised as a " top 5 qb", "elite", and a "franchise qb". Especially, at the cost.
At some point? 3 Pro Bowls to 0 in our QB comparison - while you're clinging tightly to a guy showing up to a 4-7 team after not taking a regular season snap in well over 700 days. Being demanding is fine at your end if you're also realistic with how quickly that will happen.
You know there were 3 TD passes dropped on Saturday and even the INT went through David Bell's hands first. Accuracy wasn't the problem you wanted it to be for some reason. Wind chills at 15 below zero were the same types of things that led to Red Right from an NFL MVP QB right? That was an elite QB (that season) with an understanding some days are more favorable for passing on Lake Erie than those with wind chills of 15 degrees below zero or worse.
Carolina gave Baker a shot and I was very happy for Baker at the time. My question to you is why is it the OTHER QBs there are putting them at least into a shot at the playoffs discussions with just 2 games left? He's like rooting for a yo-yo some times.
If Matthew Stafford wasn't sidelined, Baker would still be in Carolina watching other QBs outperform him.
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted once upon a time. That's not our team though so why care so much about him?
Maybe this final chance he's getting with McVay will produce the elite QB I thought Cleveland drafted
Maybe Baker's problem was nobody believed in him. You know Hue Jackson didn't, we all remember the Bengals game and Baker's death stare at Hue. And I'm not so sure Stefanski believed in him either. He left him out there with an injured shoulder to get pummeled all season. McVay sees the potential in him and knows how to get that potential out of him.
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I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......
I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......
Isn’t that more of an indictment of the person(s) making those picks?
Nice to see you back Mud.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
You seem to put a lot of stock in Pro Bowls.
Lets take a look at some other “elite” Pro Bowl QB’s:
Matt Cassel
Nick Foles
Andy Dalton
Trent Dilfer
Elvis Grbac
Kordell Stewart
Vince Young
And last but not least, our own Derek Anderson.
There’s not a starting caliber QB in that list, yet they were selected to a Pro Bowl.
This is why I laugh at Pro Bowl selections.
You're laughing at how easy it is to make; so wouldn't it be nice to at least see Baker make the list once as a 1st overall pick?
You're laughing at how easy it is to make; so wouldn't it be nice to at least see Baker make the list once as a 1st overall pick?
I didn’t mention Baker in my reply, but I’m talking popularity contest or sometimes called Pro Bowl.
And how do those Pro Bowl nominations equate to success?
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......
I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......
It's not only the draft picks which might be about right for a true franchise quarterback IF that is what Mr Watson turns out to be. So far in just a few games after an about 700 days off from any NFL tackle football he shows signs of his old quite good NFL form.
The other part of this deal was the huge amount of guaranteed money that the Cleveland Browns have promised to Mr Watson. He better perform up to his old form or the BROWNS are in bad shape for MANY years to come.
This is an unprecedented deal in NFL history. They better be concerned.
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I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......
Isn’t that more of an indictment of the person(s) making those picks?
Nice to see you back Mud.
Isn’t that more of an indictment of the person(s) making those picks?
Nice to see you back Mud.
Definitely....but there have been a LOT of people making those picks.....I honestly think its more just the average throughout the league....Ive already justified in my mind that we "might" have hit on one of the next 3....so, at least to me, its picks well spent....
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I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......
It's not only the draft picks which might be about right for a true franchise quarterback IF that is what Mr Watson turns out to be. So far in just a few games after an about 700 days off from any NFL tackle football he shows signs of his old quite good NFL form.
The other part of this deal was the huge amount of guaranteed money that the Cleveland Browns have promised to Mr Watson. He better perform up to his old form or the BROWNS are in bad shape for MANY years to come.
This is an unprecedented deal in NFL history. They better be concerned.
It's not only the draft picks which might be about right for a true franchise quarterback IF that is what Mr Watson turns out to be. So far in just a few games after an about 700 days off from any NFL tackle football he shows signs of his old quite good NFL form.
The other part of this deal was the huge amount of guaranteed money that the Cleveland Browns have promised to Mr Watson. He better perform up to his old form or the BROWNS are in bad shape for MANY years to come.
This is an unprecedented deal in NFL history. They better be concerned.
Right...well have to see how they manage that.....this year it is unprecedented....next year?....the year after that?.....probably not.....theres always going to be a new highest paid QB right around the corner.....
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You're laughing at how easy it is to make; so wouldn't it be nice to at least see Baker make the list once as a 1st overall pick?
I didn’t mention Baker in my reply, but I’m talking popularity contest or sometimes called Pro Bowl.
And how do those Pro Bowl nominations equate to success?
I didn’t mention Baker in my reply, but I’m talking popularity contest or sometimes called Pro Bowl.
And how do those Pro Bowl nominations equate to success?
Yes, the Pro Bowl is nice -but- not as important or a true indicator of talent than it used to be.
Many top players don't bother to play anymore plus the game is not much more than a glorified two hand touch game. (with occasional good plays)
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#1 - it's not really fair to say wr's drops are limiting watson's ability to perform better,
and the Baker haters refused to have that same reason with Baker.
watson has AMARI COO:PER - Baker never did. Amari Cooper is the key to making the browns offense work. That last game vs the Saints - Ameri Cooper had 6 catches for 72 yards. Bell had 1. DPJ ...had ONE CATCH. FOR TWO YARDS. wowzer, eh? Take away Amari Cooper, and then look at how pitifully watson's performace would be.
It's so sad. Watson has not been throwing accurately well at all - except for a few times.
In Carolina, btw, the head coach was FIRED. Hence, changes were made, and the Panthers are playing better. Their offensive line made changes - and their offensive line is really playing far, far more successfully:
https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article270233237.html
before, the offense did NOT work, that is how Darnold got hurt. etc etc etc etc. Baker was a desperate choice to try to make it work. Same head coach, same problem. No matter who the qb was, same problem.
I wish Baker the best. After only 2 days with the rams, Baker won with the Rams.
Seems to me, the browns are going to be in misery with the giant 230 million Guaranteed contract and giving up 3 first round draft picks for subpar performances by a pervert qb. It isn't that he screwed up in his personal life - it's that he lied, and lied, did NOT want to play wit the Browns, until he took the historically stupid bribe to come to Cleveland.
I believe next year - the Browns start off about 3 million OVER the salary cap. That is very bad. We will see who leaves the Browns for bigger pay, after the Browns run out of big contract ability.
In 2021, Baker Mayfield, badly injured - left shoulder, wore a stupid cling. And still completed 62.8 percent of his passes.
So far, with the Browns, WITH AMARI COOPER, watson has only completed 57.x percent of his passes. Big deal.
but the watson stink may never go away, not even next year, on and off the field. We'll see.
Baker haters bashed Mayfield and ignored any reasons why the Browns were struggling last year. Now, they make the same reasons are still there with watson.
Plain and simple - two Baker mocking threads, and any positive post can get the "Baker isn't here anymore, give it a rest". haha.
baloney.
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When you bring up dropped passes, that could be used to defend Mayfield in many instances. Every qb experiences that. I can't answer much about Carolina, other than they are a bad team, over all. I'm not who you think I am. My only reason for jumping in on these Mayfield hating topics, is to point out how badly they screwed up this Watson deal. Why would you give this guy such a ridiculous amount of money, guaranteed, with his shady background, and after he hadn't played in 2 years?....and when he did play, he had great stats...except for the one stat that counts. He only won 4 games. This move is probably the worst thing they could have done. No first round picks for 3 years....screwed with the salary cap because of Watson. They did this after he said he wouldn't come here...didn't want any part of Cleveland...until they gave him the guaranteed contract. Believe me...there were plenty of games last season, when I wanted Mayfield gone, too....just not like this. I guess my question is...why do you care so much about him? I typically don't start any Baker Mayfield support topics. He's gone...I don't care what he does. But, I do care what the Cleveland Browns do. Even though I've been a fan for many years, this last fiasco has kind of put me over the edge...not unlike when Bellichik was here.
I got ya! This is a very good post and I understand the concern you have about what they gave up. I always like to understand where someone is coming from and why. I freaked out when this was first going down. Let's be honest, there's been easier QBs here to like given why Watson needed to be suspended. My wife thinks Watson is a complete scum bag as I imagine plenty of others in here have wives that don't like the guy. However, she said you've loved that team for decades so don't let 1 guy stop you from your family tradition of following this team. I think he can become a good QB here when gets back to the full cycle of mini camps/OTAs, training camp, preseason and a regulation season that begins in week 1.
I never hated Baker. Still don't; but I think he can be his biggest enemy some times.
I got ya! This is a very good post and I understand the concern you have about what they gave up. I always like to understand where someone is coming from and why. I freaked out when this was first going down. Let's be honest, there's been easier QBs here to like given why Watson needed to be suspended. My wife thinks Watson is a complete scum bag as I imagine plenty of others in here have wives that don't like the guy. However, she said you've loved that team for decades so don't let 1 guy stop you from your family tradition of following this team. I think he can become a good QB here when gets back to the full cycle of mini camps/OTAs, training camp, preseason and a regulation season that begins in week 1.
I never hated Baker. Still don't; but I think he can be his biggest enemy some times.
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I keep seeing people complaining about us using 3 first rounds picks to get a franchise QB.....Dont know where youve been for the last 40 years, but I promise you they wont be missed that much.....(thats how long its been since we last drafted a decent QB, btw)......weve picked exactly 5 good players, in the first round, over the last 23 years...only 5....so, the history and numbers tell me we wouldnt get anything better(or even close) with those 3 picks......
It's not only the draft picks which might be about right for a true franchise quarterback IF that is what Mr Watson turns out to be. So far in just a few games after an about 700 days off from any NFL tackle football he shows signs of his old quite good NFL form.
The other part of this deal was the huge amount of guaranteed money that the Cleveland Browns have promised to Mr Watson. He better perform up to his old form or the BROWNS are in bad shape for MANY years to come.
This is an unprecedented deal in NFL history. They better be concerned.
It's not only the draft picks which might be about right for a true franchise quarterback IF that is what Mr Watson turns out to be. So far in just a few games after an about 700 days off from any NFL tackle football he shows signs of his old quite good NFL form.
The other part of this deal was the huge amount of guaranteed money that the Cleveland Browns have promised to Mr Watson. He better perform up to his old form or the BROWNS are in bad shape for MANY years to come.
This is an unprecedented deal in NFL history. They better be concerned.
Yep. and I don't hate watson - he's screwed up his reputation off the field badly. and he lied. Did NOT want to come to the Browns, but came for the money.
I hate the deal and the price to take the chance that watson can be a magic twanger for our Browns. I don't see it, but who knows.
Watson is an outstanding athlete, yep. So was Michael Vick - who sadly ruined his career too. In 2006, Michael Vick was the first qb to rush for over 1,000 yards in a season. But the Falcons only went 7-9 that year, and missed the playoffs.
So, who knows. I just wonder how bad the lows will be if watson doesn't become a superstar after all is said and done. If the highs outweigh the lows - even a superbowl maybe - the stink will still be there. Watson lied about all the off the field stuff - the Browns hope it will just go away.
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