Is Joe Woods gone yet ?

calfoxwc

@neo said:

To the people trashing Watson because he missed two years of football, just wondering why Mayfield gets a pass for playing on an injured shoulder. The coach never made him sit out so the next logical person is Mayfield. If he knew he wasn't 100% and still played, he pretty much fucked the season.

But we already know why and it's has nothing to do with talent level.

1. Mayfield won more games his injured year than the browns this year.

2. Being off two years WAS SOLELY watson's OWN FAULT.

3. 230 million GUARANTEED and THREE FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS for somebody who has "rust" ?

4. watson got sacked all his career at a very high rate. That includes college, with no "rust" excuse.

5. Face it, he did NOT want to play for the browns. They should NEVER have given him that historically huge contract.

Neo

@calfoxwc said:

Being off two years WAS SOLELY watson's OWN FAULT.

So Mayfield's injury not his own fault? Because I remember him taking on a DB with a full head of steam. Instead of playing hero, he should have let him go, or learn how to tackle properly. What about choosing to play injured and not getting his shoulder repaired, not his fault?

Canton Dawg

Stumbled upon this a little bit ago. . .

Neo

I'm so sick of hearing people complaining about Watson. If you actually watched yesterday's game, the Browns were pass heavy which meant Steelers just pinned their ears back and went after Watson. The way the game was flowing is points were hard to come by, Steelers offense wasn't doing much. The blown coverage for a TD in a tight game was a killer, I didn't see how they would recover from that considering how well the D was playing early on. Giving that touchdown up had to be deflating. Watson made some costly mistakes but he also escaped countless sacks and had a big play called back on a penalty. I just don't see how Watson shoulders a majority of the blame for the loss.

Kvoethe

Watson is elusive!!

Steelers 7 sacks

Lol

Orion

@7moses7 said:

It’s Monday morning, is he still here ?

On the radio today Stef said that he let him go last night.

I guess we'll be finding out who Depodesta wants for DC.

Dutch Oven

I could definitely see a scenario where the Browns sign Brian Flores as DC, he becomes the HC when Stefanski gets canned, and Depodesta and Berry hire their hand-picked pass-happy OC. When Flores was HC in Miami, apparently they tried to get Watson.

runyon27

@nickers said:

He's garbage...

incorrect

Orion

@dutch-oven said:

I could definitely see a scenario where the Browns sign Brian Flores as DC, he becomes the HC when Stefanski gets canned, and Depodesta and Berry hire their hand-picked pass-happy OC. When Flores was HC in Miami, apparently they tried to get Watson.

We've seen this play out before. One year the DC gets it. The next year it's the HC. But I'm hoping against it as I kinda' like Stef and I'm sick of starting over all the time.

Neo

Joe Woods shold have been fired long ago. How do you have multiple blown coverages in one season that result in touchdowns?

SdBacker80

@neo said:

Joe Woods shold have been fired long ago. How do you have multiple blown coverages in one season that result in touchdowns?

No it was the secondary years ago…the LBs the second year…the IDL this past year. Nevermind he had 7 of the 8 top picks the past three years invested in defensive players. We apparently didn’t give him enough.

Dutch Oven

@sdbacker80 said:

No it was the secondary years ago…the LBs the second year…the IDL this past year. Nevermind he had 7 of the 8 top picks the past three years invested in defensive players. We apparently didn’t give him enough.

Joe Woods was not a good Defensive Coordinator.

But if the Browns trot out the caliber of DLine again next year, good luck to whoever lands the gig.

Dutch Oven

@orion said:

We've seen this play out before. One year the DC gets it. The next year it's the HC. But I'm hoping against it as I kinda' like Stef and I'm sick of starting over all the time.

I like Kevin Stefanski.

I just don't believe in him as a head coach anymore. I hope I'm wrong, and the Browns put up a season again like they did in his first season.

And I won't pretend to say I know how the Dolphins performed on a game-to-game basis under Flores, but I do know that the Dolphins were absolutely set up to tank with him there, and he had that team playing their asses off and damn near finished .500.

syd

they fired woods ? no fucking way

Dutch Oven

Browns defensive players want a simplified approach in next defensive coordinator

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2023/01/browns-defensive-players-emphasize-shortening-the-menu-in-wake-of-joe-woods-firing.html

Dutch Oven

@sdbacker80 said:

This Mayfield love is making me sick.

Let the Baker Bros have their fun.

Most of them won't be around once Mayfield hits 30.

tiamat63

Don't sleep on Jim Schwartz. I was a big fan of his designs when he was in Philly and he might be one of the most creative NFL coaches in generating pressures with only a 4 man rush.

Dutch Oven

@tiamat63 said:

Don't sleep on Jim Schwartz. I was a big fan of his designs when he was in Philly and he might be one of the most creative NFL coaches in generating pressures with only a 4 man rush.

If the Browns could find three other players besides Myles that can generate a pass rush, sign me up!

gumby73

@tiamat63 said:

Don't sleep on Jim Schwartz. I was a big fan of his designs when he was in Philly and he might be one of the most creative NFL coaches in generating pressures with only a 4 man rush.

I'd say Jim does fits this FO..

hope he's interviewed https://www.profootballrumors.com/2023/01/browns-request-dc-interviews-with-brian-flores-jim-schwartz-jerod-mayo-sean-desai#comments 2 years & a quality defensive coaching *staff hired .. advantage Schwartz

from espn..

While DC at Philly

Analytics are being deployed on the defensive side of the ball as well. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz might come off as an old-school football guy, but he studied econometrics -- the application of statistical and mathematical techniques in solving problems -- at Georgetown, and is known to be very much data-driven in his approach to the job.

He passes his statistical findings on to his players, and demands they be able to recall it at a moment's notice.

At Titans..

https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/news/tennessee-titans-nfl-jim-schwartz-analytics-history

tiamat63

@gumby73 said:

I'd say Jim does fits this FO.. hope he's interviewed

from espn..

While DC at Philly

Analytics are being deployed on the defensive side of the ball as well. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz might come off as an old-school football guy, but he studied econometrics -- the application of statistical and mathematical techniques in solving problems -- at Georgetown, and is known to be very much data-driven in his approach to the job.

He passes his statistical findings on to his players, and demands they be able to recall it at a moment's notice.

At Titans..

https://www.si.com/nfl/titans/news/tennessee-titans-nfl-jim-schwartz-analytics-history

There's that, but his defensive structures also play into recent NFL trends that have shown teams reducing their blitz rates. Not just against certain offenses, but league wide in general. So his penchant for rush creativity tends to fit hand in hand with that data.

Like Gregg Williams though, Schwartz is a big believer in man coverage IIRC and was at times, just like Williams, almost far too rigid in his calls for downs/distances. So It'll be fun if he's hired, checking back on this board this time next year seeing the same posters bitch about his style of coaching vis a vis Woods'. Almost sort of hoping that happens.

Either way, any new DC will place renewed emphasis on the DL. That's the main take away from this.