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    Here's Lindy's #2 ranked ILBer, Jack Campbell, Iowa, ILBer 6'4" 248 lbs, 4.72 40 time, 3rd round projection.  Captain Jack

    Lindy's 1st ranked ILB - Henry To'oTo'o, Alabama ILB, 6'1" 230 lbs, 4.64 40 time, 2nd round projection

    Lindy's 3rd ranked ILB, Daiyan Henley, Washington State ILB, 6'1" 230 lbs, 4.68 40 time, 3rd round projection.  This might be my favorite football player in this draft.  He wears #1; flies to the football; and he's everywhere.  

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      Thanks for the info.

      I have to be honest, I will be a bit unimpressed if we take a backer in the 2nd, maybe even the 3rd.  LB is one of those positions where unless they are 1st round caliber, it's almost impossible for them to be the BPA until maybe the 4th round, but that is just my opinion.

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        Thanks for the info.

        I have to be honest, I will be a bit unimpressed if we take a backer in the 2nd, maybe even the 3rd.  LB is one of those positions where unless they are 1st round caliber, it's almost impossible for them to be the BPA until maybe the 4th round, but that is just my opinion.

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        @ballpeen said:

        Thanks for the info.

        I have to be honest, I will be a bit unimpressed if we take a backer in the 2nd, maybe even the 3rd.  LB is one of those positions where unless they are 1st round caliber, it's almost impossible for them to be the BPA until maybe the 4th round, but that is just my opinion.

        My guess is the Browns will take the best WR or LT.. If either guy they like isn't there... Then hell who knows BPA?.. I like that we have Pocic... it gives us time on Nick Harris... I would be looking for Wills replacement and groom Wills for RT or RG.. Or He's just a career backup... either way,,, There needs to be improvement there on the bigs...

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          Not sure I understand your comment on giving us time on Nick Harris?  I think we kept Pocic because Pocic is better.  I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted a true center in the mid/late rounds and move on from Harris.

          You might be right on a LT prospect.  Wills has been up and down at the LT position.  A move to the right might be in order at some point as Conklin is getting older.  A LT might be the pick if a player is there who we think has promise.  Even if Wills plays well, it gives us options as we move forward.  

          Having too many good players really isn't a problem.  You can find somewhere to play them or trade them.  Then you can trade for need.

          If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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            Thanks for the info.

            I have to be honest, I will be a bit unimpressed if we take a backer in the 2nd, maybe even the 3rd.  LB is one of those positions where unless they are 1st round caliber, it's almost impossible for them to be the BPA until maybe the 4th round, but that is just my opinion.

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            FlugelF Flugel wrote on last edited by Flugel
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            @ballpeen said:

            Thanks for the info.

            I have to be honest, I will be a bit unimpressed if we take a backer in the 2nd, maybe even the 3rd.  LB is one of those positions where unless they are 1st round caliber, it's almost impossible for them to be the BPA until maybe the 4th round, but that is just my opinion.

            Thanks for the feedback.  I'm not saying we're going ILB in round 2 or round 3.  I'm showing you the guys at this position projected for those rounds according to 1 Draft Mag and then I found some highlights of them to share. It was you that mentioned you felt free agency is to address needs (in this thread and another) which I agree with and so did the FO this year.  That frees up the opportunity to pursue BPA in the draft, which may or may not be a LB. BPA in round 2 or 3 could even be a DT, which would pair up with a need.  

            Anyway, I did the same thing for prospects at the WR position projecting in rounds 2 and 3. Later this morning, I'll try to show Offensive Tackles projecting to where we start the draft at #42 overall to our next near the end of round 3. 

            Having said that, it's very highly unlikely that BECAUSE the Cleveland Browns need a huge upgrade at Left Tackle - that the next Joe Thomas slides all the way to #42 overall. If he did, that would have to mean that only this FO (who drafted the guy we need to upgrade) suddenly possesses this unique ability that everyone else before us doesn't have. Then again, whoever upgrades Left Tackle - doesn't have to be a HOF caliber player to do so.  I'd take another guy like Tony (T-Bone) Jones in a millisecond (although he was undrafted and it took some patience before reliability unfolded).  I'm guessing anyone we would draft at that position shy of a trade-up for Paris Johnson Jr, will require a little bit of patience.  The position group Offensive Tackle as a whole according to Lindy's Draft Guide graded out as a C.  I'll look up which LTs in the Draft Mag are projecting for round 2 or 3 consideration.

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              Can I start with...? 

              Dear ? gods, Where's the Beefy MLB line start ?

              1. If somehow LB Trenton Simpson gets to Round 2? Simpson may become Berry's target ?

              2. Jack Campbell.. The only thing Berry might hold against Jack Campbell? Age 23 start of rookie season. Simpson would be age 22

               Drew Sanders, Noah Sewell, To'o To'o & Dalyan Henley would at least come into camps at 230lbs or above..  

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                Can I start with...? 

                Dear ? gods, Where's the Beefy MLB line start ?

                1. If somehow LB Trenton Simpson gets to Round 2? Simpson may become Berry's target ?

                2. Jack Campbell.. The only thing Berry might hold against Jack Campbell? Age 23 start of rookie season. Simpson would be age 22

                 Drew Sanders, Noah Sewell, To'o To'o & Dalyan Henley would at least come into camps at 230lbs or above..  

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                @gumby73 said:

                Can I start with...? 

                Dear ? gods, Where's the Beefy MLB line start ?

                1. If somehow LB Trenton Simpson gets to Round 2? Simpson may become Berry's target ?

                2. Jack Campbell.. The only thing Berry might hold against Jack Campbell? Age 23 start of rookie season. Simpson would be age 22

                 Drew Sanders, Noah Sewell, To'o To'o & Dalyan Henley would at least come into camps at 230lbs or above..  

                Captain Jack Campbell showed some great agility at the combine.  I know our FO wants the smaller framed LBs; which will make a lot more sense with the IDL Meat Market they just invested in.  If you get a chance, watch that Henley video.  I like the Bama guy too but that last last name has gotta get shortened because that's a hot mess.  I'll call him Toto for now.  

                I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!"
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                  Not sure I understand your comment on giving us time on Nick Harris?  I think we kept Pocic because Pocic is better.  I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted a true center in the mid/late rounds and move on from Harris.

                  You might be right on a LT prospect.  Wills has been up and down at the LT position.  A move to the right might be in order at some point as Conklin is getting older.  A LT might be the pick if a player is there who we think has promise.  Even if Wills plays well, it gives us options as we move forward.  

                  Having too many good players really isn't a problem.  You can find somewhere to play them or trade them.  Then you can trade for need.

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                  Dutch OvenD Dutch Oven wrote on last edited by
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                  @ballpeen said:

                  Not sure I understand your comment on giving us time on Nick Harris?  I think we kept Pocic because Pocic is better.  I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted a true center in the mid/late rounds and move on from Harris.

                  Yeah, Harris is in the final season of his rookie four year contract. It should be obvious that the Browns have moved on from the idea of Harris being their starting center, unless injuries forced it. 

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                    @gumby73 said:

                    Can I start with...? 

                    Dear ? gods, Where's the Beefy MLB line start ?

                    1. If somehow LB Trenton Simpson gets to Round 2? Simpson may become Berry's target ?

                    2. Jack Campbell.. The only thing Berry might hold against Jack Campbell? Age 23 start of rookie season. Simpson would be age 22

                     Drew Sanders, Noah Sewell, To'o To'o & Dalyan Henley would at least come into camps at 230lbs or above..  

                    Captain Jack Campbell showed some great agility at the combine.  I know our FO wants the smaller framed LBs; which will make a lot more sense with the IDL Meat Market they just invested in.  If you get a chance, watch that Henley video.  I like the Bama guy too but that last last name has gotta get shortened because that's a hot mess.  I'll call him Toto for now.  

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                    @flugel said:

                    Captain Jack Campbell showed some great agility at the combine.  I know our FO wants the smaller framed LBs; which will make a lot more sense with the IDL Meat Market they just invested in.  If you get a chance, watch that Henley video.  I like the Bama guy too but that last last name has gotta get shortened because that's a hot mess.  I'll call him Toto for now.  

                    If the 245lb guy has shown the ability to move quickly in short areas, change of direction, etc, I would hope the Browns would consider taking him. 

                    Would be nice to have a bigger guy in the LB squad, especially if he can still move like a smaller guy. 

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                      Captain Jack Campbell showed some great agility at the combine.  I know our FO wants the smaller framed LBs; which will make a lot more sense with the IDL Meat Market they just invested in.  If you get a chance, watch that Henley video.  I like the Bama guy too but that last last name has gotta get shortened because that's a hot mess.  I'll call him Toto for now.  

                      If the 245lb guy has shown the ability to move quickly in short areas, change of direction, etc, I would hope the Browns would consider taking him. 

                      Would be nice to have a bigger guy in the LB squad, especially if he can still move like a smaller guy. 

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                      @dutch-oven said:

                      If the 245lb guy has shown the ability to move quickly in short areas, change of direction, etc, I would hope the Browns would consider taking him. 

                      Would be nice to have a bigger guy in the LB squad, especially if he can still move like a smaller guy. 

                      I've always like them too. I'm old school so I showed Jack Campbell 1st. He lit it up in the 3 cone drill and another agility assessment.  It's also nice to get those long levers in a hook zone defending the pass.  All that said, Mike Johnson was one of my favorite ILBs at 6'0" 220 lbs or so.  Here's a cut and paste of some Indy Combine results with more updated 40 times than Lindy's had to go with (pretty close though in many instances).

                      2023 NFL combine results, measurements for LBs: 40-yard dash, height, weight, top performers, more

                      The position has the draft's best pass-rusher and a couple others potential first-round picks

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                      By Garrett Podell
                       
                      Mar 2, 2023 at 9:36 pm ET•4 min read
                       
                       
                       
                       
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                      The 2023 NFL Scouting Combine kicked off as the linebackers, along with defensive linemen, opened the action on the first day of workouts. The linebacker position has arguably the best pass-rusher coming out of college (Alabama's Will Anderson Jr.) since at least 2022 NFL Defensive Player of the Year Nick Bosa (second-overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft) and 2020 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year Chase Youg. 

                      There's also a couple of other projected first-round picks in Arkansas' Drew Sanders and Clemson's Trenton Simpson. Outside of this trio, there could be a couple others who could generate some first-round or second-round buzz after today's combine showing.

                      Below are all the official measurements for the linebackers at the combine, in alphabetical order.

                      LB measurements

                      PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT HAND SIZE ARM LENGTH 40-YARD DASH
                      Will Anderson Jr. (Alabama) 6' 3 1/2'' 253 9 7/8'' 33 7/8'' 4.60

                      Yasir Abdullah (Louisville)

                      6'1

                      237

                      9 1/4"

                      32 3/8"

                      4.47

                      Jeremy Banks (Tennessee)

                      6'1

                      232

                      9 1/2"

                      32

                      4.53
                      Micah Baskerville (LSU) 6'0 1/2" 221 9 5/8" 31 1/4"  
                      Jack Campbell (Iowa)   6'5   249   10 1/4" 10 1/4" 4.65

                      Andre Carter II (Army)

                      6'6 1/2"

                      256

                      9 3/8"

                      9 3/8"

                       

                      SirVocea Dennis (Pittsburgh)

                      6'0 1/2"

                      226

                      10 5/8"

                      32 7/8"

                       

                      Jalen Graham (Purdue)

                      6'2

                      220

                      9 7/8"

                      33"

                      4.64

                      Derick Hall (Auburn)

                      6'3

                      254

                      10"

                      34 1/2"

                      4.55
                      Daiyan Henley (Washington State) 6'2 225 9 1/2" 33" 4.54

                      Nick Herbig (Wisconsin)

                      6'2

                      240

                      9 1/4"

                      31 1/4"

                      4.65
                      Shaka Heyward (Duke) 6'3 235 9 1/2" 34" 4.53

                      DJ Johnson (Oregon)

                      6'4

                      260

                      9"

                      33 1/4"

                      4.49
                      Andre Jones Jr. (Louisiana) 6'4 1/2" 248 10" 34 1/4"  
                      Cam Jones (Indiana) 6'1 226 9 1/2" 31 1/4" 4.69
                      Eku Leota (Auburn) 6'3 244 9 1/2" 33 1/2"  

                      Ochaun Mathis (Nebraska)

                      6'5

                      250

                      10 3/4"

                      35 1/4"

                      4.74
                      Ventrell Miller (Florida) 6' 232 9 1/8" 32 1/2"  
                      Isaiah Moore (N.C. State) 6'2 233 9 1/8" 31 3/4"  

                      BJ Ojulari (LSU)

                      6'2

                      248

                      10 1/2"

                      34 1/4"

                       
                      Anfernee Orji (Vanderbilt)   6'1 230 10 1/4" 32" 4.53
                      DeMarvion Overshown (Texas) 6'3 229 9 1/2" 32 1/4" 4.56
                      Ivan Pace Jr. (Cincinnati) 5'10 1/2" 231 9 1/2" 30 1/4"  
                      Owen Pappoe (Auburn) 6' 225 9 1/8" 31 3/4" 4.39

                      Lonnie Phelps (Kansas)

                      6'2

                      244

                      9 1/4"

                      9 1/4"

                      4.55

                      Drew Sanders (Arkansas)

                      6'4

                      235

                      9 3/4"

                      32 1/8"

                       
                      Noah Sewell (Oregon) 6'1 1/2" 246 10" 31 5/8" 4.64
                      Trenton Simpson (Clemson) 6'2 235 10 1/4" 32 3/8" 4.43

                      Noah Taylor (North Carolina)

                      6'4

                      238

                      8 5/8"

                      32 5/8"

                       

                      Charlie Thomas (Georgia Tech)

                      6'3

                      216

                      8 1/2"

                      31 1/2"

                      4.52

                      Henry To'oTo'o (Alabama)

                      6'1

                      227

                      10 1/4"

                      32 3/4"

                      4.62

                      Tyrus Wheat (Mississippi State)

                      6'2

                      263

                      9"

                      32 7/8"

                      4.65

                      Dorian Williams (Tulane)

                      6'1

                      228

                      10 1/4"

                      33 3/4"

                      4.49

                      Dee Winters (TCU)

                      5'11

                      227

                      8 5/8"

                      31 5/8"

                      4.49

                      Linebacker winners

                      Alabama LB Will Anderson Jr: Surprise, the nation's leader in sacks (34.5), tackles for loss (58.5), quarterback hits (71), and quarterback pressures (207) from 2020-2022 had a strong day at the combine. All he did was measure up to Chargers linebacker Khalil Mack, the 2016 NFL Defensive Player of the Year, seven-time Pro Bowl selection, and Hall of Fame 2010's All-Decade Team member. Mack went fifth overall in the 2014 Draft, and like him, Anderson will also be a top-five selection. 

                      Iowa LB Jack Campbell: The 2022 Dick Butkus Award Winner as the nation's best linebacker put plenty on tape playing Big Ten football. However, his combine solidified his status as no lower than a likely second-round pick and as a fringe first-round pick. Campbell measured at 6-foot-5, 249 pounds and then he showed incredible explosiveness with a 37.5" vertical jump and 10'8" broad jump. Not bad at all. 

                      Army LB Andre Carter II: Only Anderson Jr. (17.5) had more sacks than Carter II's (15.5) in 2021, and Carter measured up nicely alongside Anderson on Thursday. Coming in at 6-foot-6 1/2 at 256 pounds, the Army linebacker displayed a decent amount of athleticism at for his size clocking a 30" vertical leap and a 9'1" broad jump. Carter II is attempting to become the first service academy player to be taken in the first three rounds in the Common Draft Era (since 1967). Nothing he did today hurt his cause.

                      Washington State LB Daiyan Henley: The former Nevada wide receiver came in at 6-foot-2, 225 pounds -- decent size for the position considering linebackers are essentially like safeties in terms of some of their responsibilities in coverage in 2022. His unofficial 4.54 40-yard dash highlighted an ability to move fluidly. His stock continues to climb amid the possibility that he's just scratching the surface at the position.

                       
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                        Man, Campbell has some big hands on some short-ass arms! ?

                        I'm intrigued with him at #42 (my lucky number, and my first football number)

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                          Man, Campbell has some big hands on some short-ass arms! ?

                          I'm intrigued with him at #42 (my lucky number, and my first football number)

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                          @dutch-oven said:

                          Man, Campbell has some big hands on some short-ass arms! ?

                          ?  Yeah, I just noticed their cut and paste error.  Thanks for pointing it out.  

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                            Not sure I understand your comment on giving us time on Nick Harris?  I think we kept Pocic because Pocic is better.  I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted a true center in the mid/late rounds and move on from Harris.

                            You might be right on a LT prospect.  Wills has been up and down at the LT position.  A move to the right might be in order at some point as Conklin is getting older.  A LT might be the pick if a player is there who we think has promise.  Even if Wills plays well, it gives us options as we move forward.  

                            Having too many good players really isn't a problem.  You can find somewhere to play them or trade them.  Then you can trade for need.

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                            @ballpeen said:

                            Not sure I understand your comment on giving us time on Nick Harris?  I think we kept Pocic because Pocic is better.  I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted a true center in the mid/late rounds and move on from Harris.

                            You might be right on a LT prospect.  Wills has been up and down at the LT position.  A move to the right might be in order at some point as Conklin is getting older.  A LT might be the pick if a player is there who we think has promise.  Even if Wills plays well, it gives us options as we move forward.  

                            Having too many good players really isn't a problem.  You can find somewhere to play them or trade them.  Then you can trade for need.

                            Well its obvious The Browns/Andrew Berry likes him... It's "AB's" pick

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                              Here's more assessments/results for Campbell

                              Production Score
                              74
                              2023 Combine LB Rank: 5th
                              Athleticism Score *est
                              89
                              2023 Combine LB Rank: 1st
                              Total Score
                              82
                              2023 Combine LB Rank: 3rd
                              Combine Results
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                              40-Yard Dash
                              4.65
                              Seconds
                              10-Yard Split
                              1.59
                              Seconds
                              Vertical Jump
                              37.5’’
                              Broad Jump
                              10’ 8’’
                              3-Cone Drill
                              6.74
                              Seconds
                              20-Yd Shuttle
                              4.24
                              Seconds
                              Bench Press
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                                Here's more assessments/results for Campbell

                                Production Score
                                74
                                2023 Combine LB Rank: 5th
                                Athleticism Score *est
                                89
                                2023 Combine LB Rank: 1st
                                Total Score
                                82
                                2023 Combine LB Rank: 3rd
                                Combine Results
                                u-unofficial
                                 
                                40-Yard Dash
                                4.65
                                Seconds
                                10-Yard Split
                                1.59
                                Seconds
                                Vertical Jump
                                37.5’’
                                Broad Jump
                                10’ 8’’
                                3-Cone Drill
                                6.74
                                Seconds
                                20-Yd Shuttle
                                4.24
                                Seconds
                                Bench Press
                                --
                                Player Bio
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                                gumby73G gumby73 wrote on last edited by
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                                @flugel said:

                                Here's more assessments/results for Campbell

                                Production Score
                                74
                                2023 Combine LB Rank: 5th
                                Athleticism Score *est
                                89
                                2023 Combine LB Rank: 1st
                                Total Score
                                82
                                2023 Combine LB Rank: 3rd
                                Combine Results
                                u-unofficial
                                 
                                40-Yard Dash
                                4.65
                                Seconds
                                10-Yard Split
                                1.59
                                Seconds
                                Vertical Jump
                                37.5’’
                                Broad Jump
                                10’ 8’’
                                3-Cone Drill
                                6.74**
                                Seconds
                                20-Yd Shuttle
                                4.24**
                                Seconds

                                Captain Jack's explosion numbers must be freakish level considering he weighted in at 249lbs .. ?

                                Arkansas' LB Drew Sanders.. played Edge at Bama.. He showed in combine drills he's still got some bend coming off a corner..

                                Drew Sanders (Arkansas)

                                6'4

                                235

                                9 3/4"

                                32 1/8"

                                 maybe a little Clay Matthews in this kid's tape

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                                  @dutch-oven said:

                                  If the 245lb guy has shown the ability to move quickly in short areas, change of direction, etc, I would hope the Browns would consider taking him. 

                                  Would be nice to have a bigger guy in the LB squad, especially if he can still move like a smaller guy. 

                                  I've always like them too. I'm old school so I showed Jack Campbell 1st. He lit it up in the 3 cone drill and another agility assessment.  It's also nice to get those long levers in a hook zone defending the pass.  All that said, Mike Johnson was one of my favorite ILBs at 6'0" 220 lbs or so.  Here's a cut and paste of some Indy Combine results with more updated 40 times than Lindy's had to go with (pretty close though in many instances).

                                  2023 NFL combine results, measurements for LBs: 40-yard dash, height, weight, top performers, more

                                  The position has the draft's best pass-rusher and a couple others potential first-round picks

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                                  By Garrett Podell
                                   
                                  Mar 2, 2023 at 9:36 pm ET•4 min read
                                   
                                   
                                   
                                   
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                                  The 2023 NFL Scouting Combine kicked off as the linebackers, along with defensive linemen, opened the action on the first day of workouts. The linebacker position has arguably the best pass-rusher coming out of college (Alabama's Will Anderson Jr.) since at least 2022 NFL Defensive Player of the Year Nick Bosa (second-overall pick in the 2019 NFL Draft) and 2020 NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year Chase Youg. 

                                  There's also a couple of other projected first-round picks in Arkansas' Drew Sanders and Clemson's Trenton Simpson. Outside of this trio, there could be a couple others who could generate some first-round or second-round buzz after today's combine showing.

                                  Below are all the official measurements for the linebackers at the combine, in alphabetical order.

                                  LB measurements

                                  PLAYER HEIGHT WEIGHT HAND SIZE ARM LENGTH 40-YARD DASH
                                  Will Anderson Jr. (Alabama) 6' 3 1/2'' 253 9 7/8'' 33 7/8'' 4.60

                                  Yasir Abdullah (Louisville)

                                  6'1

                                  237

                                  9 1/4"

                                  32 3/8"

                                  4.47

                                  Jeremy Banks (Tennessee)

                                  6'1

                                  232

                                  9 1/2"

                                  32

                                  4.53
                                  Micah Baskerville (LSU) 6'0 1/2" 221 9 5/8" 31 1/4"  
                                  Jack Campbell (Iowa)   6'5   249   10 1/4" 10 1/4" 4.65

                                  Andre Carter II (Army)

                                  6'6 1/2"

                                  256

                                  9 3/8"

                                  9 3/8"

                                   

                                  SirVocea Dennis (Pittsburgh)

                                  6'0 1/2"

                                  226

                                  10 5/8"

                                  32 7/8"

                                   

                                  Jalen Graham (Purdue)

                                  6'2

                                  220

                                  9 7/8"

                                  33"

                                  4.64

                                  Derick Hall (Auburn)

                                  6'3

                                  254

                                  10"

                                  34 1/2"

                                  4.55
                                  Daiyan Henley (Washington State) 6'2 225 9 1/2" 33" 4.54

                                  Nick Herbig (Wisconsin)

                                  6'2

                                  240

                                  9 1/4"

                                  31 1/4"

                                  4.65
                                  Shaka Heyward (Duke) 6'3 235 9 1/2" 34" 4.53

                                  DJ Johnson (Oregon)

                                  6'4

                                  260

                                  9"

                                  33 1/4"

                                  4.49
                                  Andre Jones Jr. (Louisiana) 6'4 1/2" 248 10" 34 1/4"  
                                  Cam Jones (Indiana) 6'1 226 9 1/2" 31 1/4" 4.69
                                  Eku Leota (Auburn) 6'3 244 9 1/2" 33 1/2"  

                                  Ochaun Mathis (Nebraska)

                                  6'5

                                  250

                                  10 3/4"

                                  35 1/4"

                                  4.74
                                  Ventrell Miller (Florida) 6' 232 9 1/8" 32 1/2"  
                                  Isaiah Moore (N.C. State) 6'2 233 9 1/8" 31 3/4"  

                                  BJ Ojulari (LSU)

                                  6'2

                                  248

                                  10 1/2"

                                  34 1/4"

                                   
                                  Anfernee Orji (Vanderbilt)   6'1 230 10 1/4" 32" 4.53
                                  DeMarvion Overshown (Texas) 6'3 229 9 1/2" 32 1/4" 4.56
                                  Ivan Pace Jr. (Cincinnati) 5'10 1/2" 231 9 1/2" 30 1/4"  
                                  Owen Pappoe (Auburn) 6' 225 9 1/8" 31 3/4" 4.39

                                  Lonnie Phelps (Kansas)

                                  6'2

                                  244

                                  9 1/4"

                                  9 1/4"

                                  4.55

                                  Drew Sanders (Arkansas)

                                  6'4

                                  235

                                  9 3/4"

                                  32 1/8"

                                   
                                  Noah Sewell (Oregon) 6'1 1/2" 246 10" 31 5/8" 4.64
                                  Trenton Simpson (Clemson) 6'2 235 10 1/4" 32 3/8" 4.43

                                  Noah Taylor (North Carolina)

                                  6'4

                                  238

                                  8 5/8"

                                  32 5/8"

                                   

                                  Charlie Thomas (Georgia Tech)

                                  6'3

                                  216

                                  8 1/2"

                                  31 1/2"

                                  4.52

                                  Henry To'oTo'o (Alabama)

                                  6'1

                                  227

                                  10 1/4"

                                  32 3/4"

                                  4.62

                                  Tyrus Wheat (Mississippi State)

                                  6'2

                                  263

                                  9"

                                  32 7/8"

                                  4.65

                                  Dorian Williams (Tulane)

                                  6'1

                                  228

                                  10 1/4"

                                  33 3/4"

                                  4.49

                                  Dee Winters (TCU)

                                  5'11

                                  227

                                  8 5/8"

                                  31 5/8"

                                  4.49

                                  Linebacker winners

                                  Alabama LB Will Anderson Jr: Surprise, the nation's leader in sacks (34.5), tackles for loss (58.5), quarterback hits (71), and quarterback pressures (207) from 2020-2022 had a strong day at the combine. All he did was measure up to Chargers linebacker Khalil Mack, the 2016 NFL Defensive Player of the Year, seven-time Pro Bowl selection, and Hall of Fame 2010's All-Decade Team member. Mack went fifth overall in the 2014 Draft, and like him, Anderson will also be a top-five selection. 

                                  Iowa LB Jack Campbell: The 2022 Dick Butkus Award Winner as the nation's best linebacker put plenty on tape playing Big Ten football. However, his combine solidified his status as no lower than a likely second-round pick and as a fringe first-round pick. Campbell measured at 6-foot-5, 249 pounds and then he showed incredible explosiveness with a 37.5" vertical jump and 10'8" broad jump. Not bad at all. 

                                  Army LB Andre Carter II: Only Anderson Jr. (17.5) had more sacks than Carter II's (15.5) in 2021, and Carter measured up nicely alongside Anderson on Thursday. Coming in at 6-foot-6 1/2 at 256 pounds, the Army linebacker displayed a decent amount of athleticism at for his size clocking a 30" vertical leap and a 9'1" broad jump. Carter II is attempting to become the first service academy player to be taken in the first three rounds in the Common Draft Era (since 1967). Nothing he did today hurt his cause.

                                  Washington State LB Daiyan Henley: The former Nevada wide receiver came in at 6-foot-2, 225 pounds -- decent size for the position considering linebackers are essentially like safeties in terms of some of their responsibilities in coverage in 2022. His unofficial 4.54 40-yard dash highlighted an ability to move fluidly. His stock continues to climb amid the possibility that he's just scratching the surface at the position.

                                   
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                                  @flugel said:

                                  DJ Johnson (Oregon)   6'4   260   9"    33 1/4"    4.49/40

                                  umm...gimme this guy please.  Big guy.  Runs fast.

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                                      @flugel said:

                                      DJ Johnson (Oregon)   6'4   260   9"    33 1/4"    4.49/40

                                      umm...gimme this guy please.  Big guy.  Runs fast.

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                                      @orion said:

                                      umm...gimme this guy please.  Big guy.  Runs fast.

                                      This was an ILB thread but I'll happy to look him up for you (especially since it listed 40 times for all LBs).  Spent one year at Miami before transferring and redshirting and played DE in his first season with the Ducks. Converted to TE for 2020, rotated between positions in 2021, returned to defensive side of the ball in 2022.  He's listed as the 11th ranked OLB by Lindy's Mag with a grade with a 6.7.  They have him with a 4th round projection listed at 6'4" 270 lbs. Prior to the Indy Combines his best 40 time was a 4.59, which he bettered to 4.49 at a body weight of 260 pounds.  All that written may not match your enthusiasm; but the very next page honors him as their Sleeper to watch.  They basically say that if he was allowed to stay at his natural position of DE he would be a lot more technically polished.  It adds his outstanding athletic traits suggest he could outperform his draft slot.  That wouldn't suck to draft a guy that outperforms his draft slot would it?  Now let's get you some stuff you can see and hear.

                                      Back in the day, Casey Kasem would have said from Oregon to Orion here's a wonderful football tribute from DJ Johnson to a Cleveland Browns fan that really knows what's he talking about.  You might want to mute the volume though...

                                      NOW, this guy is very enthusiastic about OLB/DE DJ Johnson

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                                        @orion said:

                                        umm...gimme this guy please.  Big guy.  Runs fast.

                                        This was an ILB thread but I'll happy to look him up for you (especially since it listed 40 times for all LBs).  Spent one year at Miami before transferring and redshirting and played DE in his first season with the Ducks. Converted to TE for 2020, rotated between positions in 2021, returned to defensive side of the ball in 2022.  He's listed as the 11th ranked OLB by Lindy's Mag with a grade with a 6.7.  They have him with a 4th round projection listed at 6'4" 270 lbs. Prior to the Indy Combines his best 40 time was a 4.59, which he bettered to 4.49 at a body weight of 260 pounds.  All that written may not match your enthusiasm; but the very next page honors him as their Sleeper to watch.  They basically say that if he was allowed to stay at his natural position of DE he would be a lot more technically polished.  It adds his outstanding athletic traits suggest he could outperform his draft slot.  That wouldn't suck to draft a guy that outperforms his draft slot would it?  Now let's get you some stuff you can see and hear.

                                        Back in the day, Casey Kasem would have said from Oregon to Orion here's a wonderful football tribute from DJ Johnson to a Cleveland Browns fan that really knows what's he talking about.  You might want to mute the volume though...

                                        NOW, this guy is very enthusiastic about OLB/DE DJ Johnson

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                                        DE in his first season with the Ducks. Converted to TE for 2020, rotated between positions in 2021, returned to defensive side of the ball in 2022

                                        Great.  He can play TE too.  Can he run block?  🙂

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                                          Here's more assessments/results for Campbell

                                          Production Score
                                          74
                                          2023 Combine LB Rank: 5th
                                          Athleticism Score *est
                                          89
                                          2023 Combine LB Rank: 1st
                                          Total Score
                                          82
                                          2023 Combine LB Rank: 3rd
                                          Combine Results
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                                          40-Yard Dash
                                          4.65
                                          Seconds
                                          10-Yard Split
                                          1.59
                                          Seconds
                                          Vertical Jump
                                          37.5’’
                                          Broad Jump
                                          10’ 8’’
                                          3-Cone Drill
                                          6.74
                                          Seconds
                                          20-Yd Shuttle
                                          4.24
                                          Seconds
                                          Bench Press
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                                          @flugel said:

                                          Here's more assessments/results for Campbell

                                          Jack Campbell reminds me very much of Zaven Collins, out of Tulsa, drafted by Arizona in the first round in 2021. Very, very similar. Collins has really been productive in the NFL with Arizona - probably a good look at how good Campbell can be.

                                          Collins was 6'4", 260 lbs at the combine. 122" broad jump, and a 35" vertical jump. Ran 4.67 in the forty.

                                          Campbell....6'5", 249  lbs, ..........................128" Broad jump, ........... 37" vertical. 4.65 in the forty.

                                          for fun, I will say that Jack Lambert was 6'4", 223 I believe was his weight in college.

                                          Watched him a lot in college. He was...eh....viciously dominant. lol. Nice guy though. Away from football.

                                          Drew Sanders could be my Jack Lambert kind of pick if I was into doing a mock draft, which ...nah. Don't care.

                                          I think my linebacker favorites in this draft would be Sanders and Campbell.

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