"The" ? 2023 NFL Draft: Friday Day 2 Thread. ?
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I like the picks.
Tillman was widely viewed as a 1st round selection before he got hurt last season. People need to also remember that Tillman was the #1 for the Vols, not Hyatt.
As for the mountain of a man at DT, any time you have a player who can eat up 2 blockers, you call that a win. His stats might not impress the narrow minded, but the stats of somebody else are going to improve.
Backs don't like running around DT's where the hole is supposed to be.
too bad the browns didn't pay attention to the wr group in previous years to help previous quarterbacks. They traded for one, signed one, and now drafted one.
Cedric only ? runs a 4.54, has trouble getting off the los, etc.
Ika is a very big man - might have quicker feet than Danny Shelton.
too bad Ika was actually compared to Danny Shelton on TV when the Browns drafted him.
Maybe they will end up doing a good job. Not sure if they improved their team much at all.
too bad the browns didn't pay attention to the wr group in previous years to help previous quarterbacks. They traded for one, signed one, and now drafted one.
Don't worry your sweet little heart, if the Bucs running game is anything like it was this past season for Brady, then Baker will have plenty of receivers to disappoint this upcoming season.
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Amazing how different certain picks are viewed. CBS has the Ika pick as a C-, whereas Sporting News gives it an A+.
Somewhere in between would be more reasonable. The tools are there, but it remains to be seen whether he can get more athletic, and contribute to the pass rush. Otherwise, we may have drafted the next "Refrigerator Perry."
Amazing how different certain picks are viewed. CBS has the Ika pick as a C-, whereas Sporting News gives it an A+.
Somewhere in between would be more reasonable. The tools are there, but it remains to be seen whether he can get more athletic, and contribute to the pass rush. Otherwise, we may have drafted the next "Refrigerator Perry."
Definitely not a three down player. Now now not ever. He hopefully impacts 20 plays a game and of those 20 hopefully most are obvious runs downs. Give me a TFL and eating two blockers consistently and this is a home run pick.
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I like the picks.
Tillman was widely viewed as a 1st round selection before he got hurt last season. People need to also remember that Tillman was the #1 for the Vols, not Hyatt.
As for the mountain of a man at DT, any time you have a player who can eat up 2 blockers, you call that a win. His stats might not impress the narrow minded, but the stats of somebody else are going to improve.
Backs don't like running around DT's where the hole is supposed to be.
too bad the browns didn't pay attention to the wr group in previous years to help previous quarterbacks. They traded for one, signed one, and now drafted one.
Cedric only ? runs a 4.54, has trouble getting off the los, etc.
Ika is a very big man - might have quicker feet than Danny Shelton.
too bad Ika was actually compared to Danny Shelton on TV when the Browns drafted him.
Maybe they will end up doing a good job. Not sure if they improved their team much at all.
too bad the browns didn't pay attention to the wr group in previous years to help previous quarterbacks. They traded for one, signed one, and now drafted one.
Cedric only ? runs a 4.54, has trouble getting off the los, etc.
Ika is a very big man - might have quicker feet than Danny Shelton.
too bad Ika was actually compared to Danny Shelton on TV when the Browns drafted him.
Maybe they will end up doing a good job. Not sure if they improved their team much at all.
They brought Jarvis Landry here for him; and it helped a lot! They also brought OBJ here for the same reason even though that didn't work out nearly the same. The Browns drafted Donovan Peoples-Jones who had good chemistry with Baker; and they already had Hollywood Higgins. Aside from that, TE David Njoku was a 1st round TE that was already here. The Browns later added a Mackey Award winner Harrison Bryant; so let's stop pretending there wasn't any effort toward the passing game.
Whether this was a good pick or a swing and miss - the effort of a 10th overall pick went for a Left Tackle in the draft in 2020.
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I like the picks.
Tillman was widely viewed as a 1st round selection before he got hurt last season. People need to also remember that Tillman was the #1 for the Vols, not Hyatt.
As for the mountain of a man at DT, any time you have a player who can eat up 2 blockers, you call that a win. His stats might not impress the narrow minded, but the stats of somebody else are going to improve.
Backs don't like running around DT's where the hole is supposed to be.
too bad the browns didn't pay attention to the wr group in previous years to help previous quarterbacks. They traded for one, signed one, and now drafted one.
Cedric only ? runs a 4.54, has trouble getting off the los, etc.
Ika is a very big man - might have quicker feet than Danny Shelton.
too bad Ika was actually compared to Danny Shelton on TV when the Browns drafted him.
Maybe they will end up doing a good job. Not sure if they improved their team much at all.
Maybe they will end up doing a good job. Not sure if they improved their team much at all.
You've gotta keep in mind, these are 3rd round picks. It's a crap-shoot. At that point and beyond, they're not gonna be really good in every category. Those guys go in the 1st round. They see talent in Tillman. They will try and improve his weaknesses. Maybe he turns out good. Maybe not. Maybe that kid Hyatt that the Dolphins jumped up in front of us to get is the good one. Maybe he's not.
In what would normally be called the 4th round (pick 98) they picked a DT that nickers says looks like he can tackle people. That's a spot of need...but it's the 4th round...it's a crap shoot. At least they're shooting the crap at the positions that we need the most help at.
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OBR wrapup podcast has some good points:
1) Tillman was analyst [prior player] Steve Smith's top WR sleeper in the draft
2) Tillman could be AC replacement if they choose to resign DPJ and let AC walk
3) Our long national nightmare of Anthony Schwartz is over -- Bell is somehow WR5 now
4) One of Tillman's weaknesses is releases.. One of the NFL's release gurus is Amari Cooper
4) One of Tillman's weaknesses is releases.. One of the NFL's release gurus is Amari Cooper
Glad you mentioned that, because it becomes a focused topic of conversation.
Why Is his release bad?
- Like I mentioned when he was drafted, not a fan of the splits and stacks the Vols use. They tend to scare coordinators away from being more aggressive with their DBs. As a result, WRs tend to get more free releases and an easier time into the pattern. Means you lose a lot of needed live reps on how to beat corners off the line in various ways with your hands and feet. When you're so used to just taking off cleanly, it becomes a different world when you hit the NFL or any other offensive system in college.
This can be taught, but it isn't an overnight thing.
- Is the poor release from a lack of first step quickness? His 10 yard split looks good enough, so I'd have to pour through his film to see how his laterally agility works without a 3 cone or shuttle available. But a 37inch vert also points to good initial burst.
That part, being faster, can be a matter of professional conditioning and training to tighten movement and reduce wasted motion. But at the end of the day, you mostly are what you are in that department.
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Amazing how different certain picks are viewed. CBS has the Ika pick as a C-, whereas Sporting News gives it an A+.
Somewhere in between would be more reasonable. The tools are there, but it remains to be seen whether he can get more athletic, and contribute to the pass rush. Otherwise, we may have drafted the next "Refrigerator Perry."
Yeah, the ratings/grades/projections varied quite a bit from 1 source to another. Some sites were almost guaranteeing Darnell Washington climbed into the first round after the Combines.
As for Ika, I'm guessing we're going to use the college NT more like a Bob Golic (2 gap) here than a Michael Dean Perry (1 gap). He'll be a guy that stuffs the run and ties up more than 1 blocker, which will be very refreshing for the LBers here.
I'm not worried about Ika's combine results. Orlando Brown Jr's Combine results were a disaster everywhere but the wing span. Today, he has a resume that includes 4 Pro Bowls which included some as a RT and others as a LT. Not bad for a guy that couldn't out bench press teenagers selling girl scout cookies... Sometimes it just gets right down to - if you can play, you can play.
Yeah, the ratings/grades/projections varied quite a bit from 1 source to another. Some sites were almost guaranteeing Darnell Washington climbed into the first round after the Combines.
As for Ika, I'm guessing we're going to use the college NT more like a Bob Golic (2 gap) here than a Michael Dean Perry (1 gap). He'll be a guy that stuffs the run and ties up more than 1 blocker, which will be very refreshing for the LBers here.
I'm not worried about Ika's combine results. Orlando Brown Jr's Combine results were a disaster everywhere but the wing span. Today, he has a resume that includes 4 Pro Bowls which included some as a RT and others as a LT. Not bad for a guy that couldn't out bench press teenagers selling girl scout cookies... Sometimes it just gets right down to - if you can play, you can play.
For big guys like that, combine results are fairly meaningless. Seriously, if you think he is going to be chasing guys down over 10 yards or more, you are an idiot. If you are wanting 12 sacks out of the guy, you are an idiot.
So, speed and agility numbers don't really matter. His ability to jump high or far don't matter. What matters is his ability to control about 3 yards of space to each side and push the pocket towards the QB about 5 yards. Ifhe does that, he has done what we expect and need.
If people expect him to be Aaron Donald, well, they are idiots.
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I'm ok with the picks, not being in the 1st round takes the fun out of it. Then seeing Steelers and Ravens making good picks ahead of us sucks, but nothing new.
This draft didn't interest me too much. Not just because of where we were picking but also because it all hinges on how well Watson plays this year. He doesn't have to be crazy good, just good enough to earn his keep.
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I'm ok with the picks, not being in the 1st round takes the fun out of it. Then seeing Steelers and Ravens making good picks ahead of us sucks, but nothing new.
This draft didn't interest me too much. Not just because of where we were picking but also because it all hinges on how well Watson plays this year. He doesn't have to be crazy good, just good enough to earn his keep.
I'm ok with the picks, not being in the 1st round takes the fun out of it. Then seeing Steelers and Ravens making good picks ahead of us sucks, but nothing new.
This draft didn't interest me too much. Not just because of where we were picking but also because it all hinges on how well Watson plays this year. He doesn't have to be crazy good, just good enough to earn his keep.
Rule of Thumb: If there's guys I really want the Browns to draft - they're going to be drafted by the Steelers or Rats (ie; Darnell Washington and Keeanu Benton). Previously the Rats drafted Mark Andrews, Orlando Brown and JK Dobbins.
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Good job gumby, you summoned a moron.
really? another browns fan suffering from emotions
I'm suffering from a birthday draft hangover ? .. this is all i can mustard until clock time..
I'm a old school DawgPound Muni member.
My late father & uncle Jim would has escorted many to the highest Muni rows
renamed every roller coaster ride in Cedar Point from The Gemini.. To... The Jiggins ?
back in the Muni days..
Guess what? Fans on 31 other football forums have the same emotional fans... I'm Good with it & still can see both ends..
GO Browns! Let's go Drafting !
Welcome Aboard @jax & @korsou-dawg always good to see new members posting
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I found a source for some all-22 on the vols. Ceddy's injuries concern me, but I can't help but draw a parallel to another receiver I loved that he just looks like on the field.
Here's some hints.
Ceddy:
Height Weight Arm length Hand span 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split Three-cone drill Vertical jump Broad jump 6 ft 3+3⁄8 in
(1.91 m)213 lb
(97 kg)32+3⁄4 in
(0.83 m)10 in
(0.25 m)4.54 s 1.53 s 2.64 s 7.32 s 37.0 in
(0.94 m)10 ft 8 in
(3.25 m)Mystery receiver.
Height Weight Arm length Hand span 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split 20-yard shuttle Three-cone drill Vertical jump Broad jump Bench press 6 ft 2+3⁄4 in
(1.90 m)212 lb
(96 kg)32+1⁄8 in
(0.82 m)10+1⁄2 in
(0.27 m)4.57 s 1.63 s 2.63 s 4.13 s 6.80 s 35 in
(0.89 m)10 ft 6 in
(3.20 m)Winner gets a cookie.
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I'm ok with the picks, not being in the 1st round takes the fun out of it. Then seeing Steelers and Ravens making good picks ahead of us sucks, but nothing new.
This draft didn't interest me too much. Not just because of where we were picking but also because it all hinges on how well Watson plays this year. He doesn't have to be crazy good, just good enough to earn his keep.
I'm ok with the picks, not being in the 1st round takes the fun out of it. Then seeing Steelers and Ravens making good picks ahead of us sucks, but nothing new.
This draft didn't interest me too much. Not just because of where we were picking but also because it all hinges on how well Watson plays this year. He doesn't have to be crazy good, just good enough to earn his keep.
The fuckin Steelers killed it. Supposed "beasts" at 3 positions ...a TE, some DT from Wisconsin, and an OT.
Disagree about Watson. He's paid to be crazy good.
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I'm ok with the picks, not being in the 1st round takes the fun out of it. Then seeing Steelers and Ravens making good picks ahead of us sucks, but nothing new.
This draft didn't interest me too much. Not just because of where we were picking but also because it all hinges on how well Watson plays this year. He doesn't have to be crazy good, just good enough to earn his keep.
The fuckin Steelers killed it. Supposed "beasts" at 3 positions ...a TE, some DT from Wisconsin, and an OT.
Disagree about Watson. He's paid to be crazy good.
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I will admit... I'm not high on the first pick... Here come the Clowns again taking injury riddled players... Fuckers never learn... Always trying to cut corners on certain positions... ass hats!
I will admit... I'm not high on the first pick... Here come the Clowns again taking injury riddled players... Fuckers never learn... Always trying to cut corners on certain positions... ass hats!
why am i not surprised to see this ? he missed 4 game's last year with a ankle sprain that's it. his durability has never been a problem
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If Ika becomes an immobile tank and a certain 3rd round RB we didn't trade up to get becomes a long distance nightmare like his teammate Tyreek, well you know who will be back multiple times like he was with the Browns taking a certain departed & Og - forgetable - Bah DL instead of RB nightmare Derrick Henry.
And if that happens will we finally see the departure of Homey Depot?
And if Archane isn't what you believe, then it'll be crickets. Sort of like with Ogbuehi, who is now one of the worst tackles in the NFL. Or with Leal, who had an abysmal showing at several positions as a rookie even before being injured. Ifedi became a complete afterthought, Wydermyer hasn't logged a single catch as a pro after being passed around 3 teams, and holy fuck balls was Kenyon Green probably the worst lineman for Houston.
I know you love your Aggies and carry it with pride, but check the trolling - and especially the score keeping - at the door.
And if Archane isn't what you believe, then it'll be crickets. Sort of like with Ogbuehi, who is now one of the worst tackles in the NFL. Or with Leal, who had an abysmal showing at several positions as a rookie even before being injured. Ifedi became a complete afterthought, Wydermyer hasn't logged a single catch as a pro after being passed around 3 teams, and holy fuck balls was Kenyon Green probably the worst lineman for Houston.
I know you love your Aggies and carry it with pride, but check the trolling - and especially the score keeping - at the door.
Come on now you can't expect people to not be hypocrites lmao. Every aggie is bound to be a star and if they aren't its obviously something out of their control that kept them from achieving what ag knew they would be. By his scouting reports if browns just drafted an aggie with every pick we have ever held we would already have celebrated multiple super bowl victories by our favorite team.
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I found a source for some all-22 on the vols. Ceddy's injuries concern me, but I can't help but draw a parallel to another receiver I loved that he just looks like on the field.
Here's some hints.
Ceddy:
Height Weight Arm length Hand span 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split Three-cone drill Vertical jump Broad jump 6 ft 3+3⁄8 in
(1.91 m)213 lb
(97 kg)32+3⁄4 in
(0.83 m)10 in
(0.25 m)4.54 s 1.53 s 2.64 s 7.32 s 37.0 in
(0.94 m)10 ft 8 in
(3.25 m)Mystery receiver.
Height Weight Arm length Hand span 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split 20-yard shuttle Three-cone drill Vertical jump Broad jump Bench press 6 ft 2+3⁄4 in
(1.90 m)212 lb
(96 kg)32+1⁄8 in
(0.82 m)10+1⁄2 in
(0.27 m)4.57 s 1.63 s 2.63 s 4.13 s 6.80 s 35 in
(0.89 m)10 ft 6 in
(3.20 m)Winner gets a cookie.
I found a source for some all-22 on the vols. Ceddy's injuries concern me, but I can't help but draw a parallel to another receiver I loved that he just looks like on the field.
Here's some hints.
Ceddy:
Height Weight Arm length Hand span 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split Three-cone drill Vertical jump Broad jump 6 ft 3+3⁄8 in
(1.91 m)213 lb
(97 kg)32+3⁄4 in
(0.83 m)10 in
(0.25 m)4.54 s 1.53 s 2.64 s 7.32 s 37.0 in
(0.94 m)10 ft 8 in
(3.25 m)Mystery receiver.
Height Weight Arm length Hand span 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split 20-yard shuttle Three-cone drill Vertical jump Broad jump Bench press 6 ft 2+3⁄4 in
(1.90 m)212 lb
(96 kg)32+1⁄8 in
(0.82 m)10+1⁄2 in
(0.27 m)4.57 s 1.63 s 2.63 s 4.13 s 6.80 s 35 in
(0.89 m)10 ft 6 in
(3.20 m)Winner gets a cookie.
My guess is a lot of buckeye fans will know that 2nd guy. He was drafted a round ahead of mr. Tillman though
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I found a source for some all-22 on the vols. Ceddy's injuries concern me, but I can't help but draw a parallel to another receiver I loved that he just looks like on the field.
Here's some hints.
Ceddy:
Height Weight Arm length Hand span 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split Three-cone drill Vertical jump Broad jump 6 ft 3+3⁄8 in
(1.91 m)213 lb
(97 kg)32+3⁄4 in
(0.83 m)10 in
(0.25 m)4.54 s 1.53 s 2.64 s 7.32 s 37.0 in
(0.94 m)10 ft 8 in
(3.25 m)Mystery receiver.
Height Weight Arm length Hand span 40-yard dash 10-yard split 20-yard split 20-yard shuttle Three-cone drill Vertical jump Broad jump Bench press 6 ft 2+3⁄4 in
(1.90 m)212 lb
(96 kg)32+1⁄8 in
(0.82 m)10+1⁄2 in
(0.27 m)4.57 s 1.63 s 2.63 s 4.13 s 6.80 s 35 in
(0.89 m)10 ft 6 in
(3.20 m)Winner gets a cookie.
My guess is a lot of buckeye fans will know that 2nd guy. He was drafted a round ahead of mr. Tillman though
My guess is a lot of buckeye fans will know that 2nd guy. He was drafted a round ahead of mr. Tillman though
We have a winner.
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We have a winner.
Since you brought it up thinking back about Thomas, watching Tillman's film, and looking at measurables they are eerily similar. I feel like MT had a more polished route tree by a large margin though but could be bias because of the college tie
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Since you brought it up thinking back about Thomas, watching Tillman's film, and looking at measurables they are eerily similar. I feel like MT had a more polished route tree by a large margin though but could be bias because of the college tie
The route selection looks strangely similar as well at times. Yeah, Tillman isn't quite where MT was as a rookie. But I see the potential that he could one day get there.
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