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How 'bout when he called a running play with no running back on the field. The TE (Alex Smith?) lined up in the backfield and promptly fumbled the handoff....and stated after the game that he had never taken a handoff. I mean, not for nothin', and not excusing Murmur for the dumb call....but what football player has NEVER taken a handoff in his life? Granted, he may not know where to run once he got the ball....but he couldn't figure out how to take a handoff? My 7 year old Grandson was taught that this past March in flag football practice. (of course none of 'em did it 'the right way' during the games.
It's like talking to the cat.)
How 'bout when he called a running play with no running back on the field. The TE (Alex Smith?) lined up in the backfield and promptly fumbled the handoff....and stated after the game that he had never taken a handoff. I mean, not for nothin', and not excusing Murmur for the dumb call....but what football player has NEVER taken a handoff in his life? Granted, he may not know where to run once he got the ball....but he couldn't figure out how to take a handoff? My 7 year old Grandson was taught that this past March in flag football practice. (of course none of 'em did it 'the right way' during the games.
It's like talking to the cat.)
Great point! I can't help thinking what football coach would ever give a guy the 1st handoff of his life in an NFL game? Sounds like they didn't even do any handoff drills (or include him in them if they did) during the week of practice leading up to the game. Understanding that, it was ill-advisable to give him a handoff when the offense ran plays against the scout team later in the practice session. Waiting to do it in a game? Our Head Coach was a hollow dome - the fumble was inevitable.
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How 'bout when he called a running play with no running back on the field. The TE (Alex Smith?) lined up in the backfield and promptly fumbled the handoff....and stated after the game that he had never taken a handoff. I mean, not for nothin', and not excusing Murmur for the dumb call....but what football player has NEVER taken a handoff in his life? Granted, he may not know where to run once he got the ball....but he couldn't figure out how to take a handoff? My 7 year old Grandson was taught that this past March in flag football practice. (of course none of 'em did it 'the right way' during the games.
It's like talking to the cat.)
Great point! I can't help thinking what football coach would ever give a guy the 1st handoff of his life in an NFL game? Sounds like they didn't even do any handoff drills (or include him in them if they did) during the week of practice leading up to the game. Understanding that, it was ill-advisable to give him a handoff when the offense ran plays against the scout team later in the practice session. Waiting to do it in a game? Our Head Coach was a hollow dome - the fumble was inevitable.
what football coach would ever give a guy the 1st handoff of his life in an NFL game?
That right there should've been the follow-up question. Because after the game he was asked if he knew that there was no running back on the field...and he said Yes. Which was bullshit. Bullshit because of your question. No coach would do that on purpose. As I recall, they were in a semi hurry up mode and they just completed a pass a little short of the 1st down so Murmur wanted them to hurry to the line and run a play up the gut for the 1st down. He obviously spaced it out that he had no RB in the game for the previous plays. But the kind reporter didn't follow up.
We've had coaches make some dumb bell calls. Murmur's call can be chalked-up to Heat Of The Moment. But Mike Pettine...he was the total other end of the spectrum. He had all the time in the world to make his dumb bell call. Against Atlanta, there's one play left before halftime. So he sends the kicker out there to attempt a 63 yard FG...while the Falcons place Devin Hester in the end zone. Now, our kicker (forget his name right now) wasn't known for having an incredible leg or anything....so I'm sitting there saying, What the hell are we doing? They snap it, he kicks it, and Hester catches it. But Thank God that the Falcons had a dumb bell coach too...because he called time out just before the snap to Ice the kicker. Falcon fans were wondering Why did we call TO? They were salivating for Hester to run it back. Remember, for a FG, everybody is at the center of the field blocking. There isn't a gunner or two like a punt. So I'm like Thank God! Now that we've all seen that we're going to punt. But Fuck-Nooo...Pettine sends the kicker right the fuck back out there. THIS time however, Hester takes off running with the thing, and of course, it's looking for all the world like he's going in for the score, when at the last second he had to make one final zag...and Bitonio, who later said, I Just Kept Runnin'...bowled into him.
In reality, Pettine should've been fired the next morning too (like Hue and his backwards pass call)...because he proved that he can't properly access a situation...and that he can't learn from his mistakes.
I was thinking about skipping next week's forgiveness therapy session....but I'd better go.
BEING A BROWNS FAN IS A TEST TO SEE HOW MUCH YOU CAN TAKE -
How 'bout when he called a running play with no running back on the field. The TE (Alex Smith?) lined up in the backfield and promptly fumbled the handoff....and stated after the game that he had never taken a handoff. I mean, not for nothin', and not excusing Murmur for the dumb call....but what football player has NEVER taken a handoff in his life? Granted, he may not know where to run once he got the ball....but he couldn't figure out how to take a handoff? My 7 year old Grandson was taught that this past March in flag football practice. (of course none of 'em did it 'the right way' during the games.
It's like talking to the cat.)
It always amazes the lack of fundamentals you see in today's sports and the lack of discipline... Even the basics kids would learn in Jr high and high school seems to get lost by the wayside.. My nephew for example is a text book tackler... solid body placement and wrapping up ... Never out of positioning ... always around the ball... And I see guys like J. Johnson tanking on plays.. Whiffing hopelessly!! Always caught with his pants down... pitiful...
It always amazes the lack of fundamentals you see in today's sports and the lack of discipline... Even the basics kids would learn in Jr high and high school seems to get lost by the wayside.. My nephew for example is a text book tackler... solid body placement and wrapping up ... Never out of positioning ... always around the ball... And I see guys like J. Johnson tanking on plays.. Whiffing hopelessly!! Always caught with his pants down... pitiful...
It amazes me too Nicks! The most underrated intangible in football is vision IMO. Teams with good eye discipline don't tackle or pursue ball carriers with their heads down. Good tacklers always keep their head up.
RBs that tend to find more daylight than others not only read the blocks better; but they also see where the least resistance is way up ahead. Barry Sanders comes to mind. Put a blind fold on him and he's probably gonna look like Trent Richardson running with his head down for no gain again. WRs? How about Jerry Rice after the catch? How does a guy always play faster than the stop watch clocks him at? During his stance and glance at what's in front of him - he already sees/knows where he's going after looking the ball into his hands.
How does a QB throw someone open? That can start as early as his pre-snap read. He sees where he has to throw it and gets it there. He also knows if he has to adjust and what/where his other options will be. When Patrick Mahomes throws a no look pass - that's not possible without first visualizing where the player was and then anticipating where the player will be all the while knowing there won't be a defender in position to stop him from completing. That's pretty freakin unique.
Instinctive defensive players have great vision.
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It always amazes the lack of fundamentals you see in today's sports and the lack of discipline... Even the basics kids would learn in Jr high and high school seems to get lost by the wayside.. My nephew for example is a text book tackler... solid body placement and wrapping up ... Never out of positioning ... always around the ball... And I see guys like J. Johnson tanking on plays.. Whiffing hopelessly!! Always caught with his pants down... pitiful...
It amazes me too Nicks! The most underrated intangible in football is vision IMO. Teams with good eye discipline don't tackle or pursue ball carriers with their heads down. Good tacklers always keep their head up.
RBs that tend to find more daylight than others not only read the blocks better; but they also see where the least resistance is way up ahead. Barry Sanders comes to mind. Put a blind fold on him and he's probably gonna look like Trent Richardson running with his head down for no gain again. WRs? How about Jerry Rice after the catch? How does a guy always play faster than the stop watch clocks him at? During his stance and glance at what's in front of him - he already sees/knows where he's going after looking the ball into his hands.
How does a QB throw someone open? That can start as early as his pre-snap read. He sees where he has to throw it and gets it there. He also knows if he has to adjust and what/where his other options will be. When Patrick Mahomes throws a no look pass - that's not possible without first visualizing where the player was and then anticipating where the player will be all the while knowing there won't be a defender in position to stop him from completing. That's pretty freakin unique.
Instinctive defensive players have great vision.
It amazes me too Nicks! The most underrated intangible in football is vision IMO. Teams with good eye discipline don't tackle or pursue ball carriers with their heads down. Good tacklers always keep their head up.
RBs that tend to find more daylight than others not only read the blocks better; but they also see where the least resistance is way up ahead. Barry Sanders comes to mind. Put a blind fold on him and he's probably gonna look like Trent Richardson running with his head down for no gain again. WRs? How about Jerry Rice after the catch? How does a guy always play faster than the stop watch clocks him at? During his stance and glance at what's in front of him - he already sees/knows where he's going after looking the ball into his hands.
How does a QB throw someone open? That can start as early as his pre-snap read. He sees where he has to throw it and gets it there. He also knows if he has to adjust and what/where his other options will be. When Patrick Mahomes throws a no look pass - that's not possible without first visualizing where the player was and then anticipating where the player will be all the while knowing there won't be a defender in position to stop him from completing. That's pretty freakin unique.
Instinctive defensive players have great vision.
It's hilarious to me that Mahomo gets all the credit for no look passes when Kosar was doing it 30 some years earlier and making a living at it... Someone should show Mahomo old videos of Kosar and his no look side arm passes.. they were a thing of improvised beauty... I'll never forget when Dexter Manly had Kosar smothered at the LOS and Kosar threw a pass literally blindfolded 15 yards in to Brian Brennans hands for a nice gainer... I looked at my Father and said.. "Jesus Christ , Did you see that?.. We were both going nuts...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
what football coach would ever give a guy the 1st handoff of his life in an NFL game?
That right there should've been the follow-up question. Because after the game he was asked if he knew that there was no running back on the field...and he said Yes. Which was bullshit. Bullshit because of your question. No coach would do that on purpose. As I recall, they were in a semi hurry up mode and they just completed a pass a little short of the 1st down so Murmur wanted them to hurry to the line and run a play up the gut for the 1st down. He obviously spaced it out that he had no RB in the game for the previous plays. But the kind reporter didn't follow up.
We've had coaches make some dumb bell calls. Murmur's call can be chalked-up to Heat Of The Moment. But Mike Pettine...he was the total other end of the spectrum. He had all the time in the world to make his dumb bell call. Against Atlanta, there's one play left before halftime. So he sends the kicker out there to attempt a 63 yard FG...while the Falcons place Devin Hester in the end zone. Now, our kicker (forget his name right now) wasn't known for having an incredible leg or anything....so I'm sitting there saying, What the hell are we doing? They snap it, he kicks it, and Hester catches it. But Thank God that the Falcons had a dumb bell coach too...because he called time out just before the snap to Ice the kicker. Falcon fans were wondering Why did we call TO? They were salivating for Hester to run it back. Remember, for a FG, everybody is at the center of the field blocking. There isn't a gunner or two like a punt. So I'm like Thank God! Now that we've all seen that we're going to punt. But Fuck-Nooo...Pettine sends the kicker right the fuck back out there. THIS time however, Hester takes off running with the thing, and of course, it's looking for all the world like he's going in for the score, when at the last second he had to make one final zag...and Bitonio, who later said, I Just Kept Runnin'...bowled into him.
In reality, Pettine should've been fired the next morning too (like Hue and his backwards pass call)...because he proved that he can't properly access a situation...and that he can't learn from his mistakes.
I was thinking about skipping next week's forgiveness therapy session....but I'd better go.
That right there should've been the follow-up question. Because after the game he was asked if he knew that there was no running back on the field...and he said Yes. Which was bullshit. Bullshit because of your question. No coach would do that on purpose. As I recall, they were in a semi hurry up mode and they just completed a pass a little short of the 1st down so Murmur wanted them to hurry to the line and run a play up the gut for the 1st down. He obviously spaced it out that he had no RB in the game for the previous plays. But the kind reporter didn't follow up.
We've had coaches make some dumb bell calls. Murmur's call can be chalked-up to Heat Of The Moment. But Mike Pettine...he was the total other end of the spectrum. He had all the time in the world to make his dumb bell call. Against Atlanta, there's one play left before halftime. So he sends the kicker out there to attempt a 63 yard FG...while the Falcons place Devin Hester in the end zone. Now, our kicker (forget his name right now) wasn't known for having an incredible leg or anything....so I'm sitting there saying, What the hell are we doing? They snap it, he kicks it, and Hester catches it. But Thank God that the Falcons had a dumb bell coach too...because he called time out just before the snap to Ice the kicker. Falcon fans were wondering Why did we call TO? They were salivating for Hester to run it back. Remember, for a FG, everybody is at the center of the field blocking. There isn't a gunner or two like a punt. So I'm like Thank God! Now that we've all seen that we're going to punt. But Fuck-Nooo...Pettine sends the kicker right the fuck back out there. THIS time however, Hester takes off running with the thing, and of course, it's looking for all the world like he's going in for the score, when at the last second he had to make one final zag...and Bitonio, who later said, I Just Kept Runnin'...bowled into him.
In reality, Pettine should've been fired the next morning too (like Hue and his backwards pass call)...because he proved that he can't properly access a situation...and that he can't learn from his mistakes.
I was thinking about skipping next week's forgiveness therapy session....but I'd better go.
? I think it's a good idea to attend that forgiveness therapy session. We've been through a lot following this team - haven't we? We're still here my man!!!!!
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It amazes me too Nicks! The most underrated intangible in football is vision IMO. Teams with good eye discipline don't tackle or pursue ball carriers with their heads down. Good tacklers always keep their head up.
RBs that tend to find more daylight than others not only read the blocks better; but they also see where the least resistance is way up ahead. Barry Sanders comes to mind. Put a blind fold on him and he's probably gonna look like Trent Richardson running with his head down for no gain again. WRs? How about Jerry Rice after the catch? How does a guy always play faster than the stop watch clocks him at? During his stance and glance at what's in front of him - he already sees/knows where he's going after looking the ball into his hands.
How does a QB throw someone open? That can start as early as his pre-snap read. He sees where he has to throw it and gets it there. He also knows if he has to adjust and what/where his other options will be. When Patrick Mahomes throws a no look pass - that's not possible without first visualizing where the player was and then anticipating where the player will be all the while knowing there won't be a defender in position to stop him from completing. That's pretty freakin unique.
Instinctive defensive players have great vision.
It's hilarious to me that Mahomo gets all the credit for no look passes when Kosar was doing it 30 some years earlier and making a living at it... Someone should show Mahomo old videos of Kosar and his no look side arm passes.. they were a thing of improvised beauty... I'll never forget when Dexter Manly had Kosar smothered at the LOS and Kosar threw a pass literally blindfolded 15 yards in to Brian Brennans hands for a nice gainer... I looked at my Father and said.. "Jesus Christ , Did you see that?.. We were both going nuts...
It's hilarious to me that Mahomo gets all the credit for no look passes when Kosar was doing it 30 some years earlier and making a living at it... Someone should show Mahomo old videos of Kosar and his no look side arm passes.. they were a thing of improvised beauty... I'll never forget when Dexter Manly had Kosar smothered at the LOS and Kosar threw a pass literally blindfolded 15 yards in to Brian Brennans hands for a nice gainer... I looked at my Father and said.. "Jesus Christ , Did you see that?.. We were both going nuts...
Thanks for taking me back to the golden era of following this team! True, I loved watching Bernie and what he could do in spite of his 85 pound cleats and injury altered mechanics/delivery later on. He overcame imperfections extremely well with vision. If you're gonna beat a blitz - you better have great vision starting with the pre-snap look at what's in front of you. Bernie excelled at it while Infante designed the offense to make that easy for him. Ever notice QBs that see the field best get called "cerebral"? Our other Kardiac Kid at QB also overcame imperfections like the weak arm nonsense. Brian Sipe threw for over 4132 yards and 30 TDs back when such a thing was unheard of with a completion percentage over 60% in 1980.
Unfortunately, people are only all about TODAY when they talk about QBs like I just did with KC's St Patrick. When you think about it - how many decades and rule changes ago was the 80s? Guys in their 20s and 30s don't give a rat about what happened before 1990. Having said that, the QB who never gets ANY credit at all for leading Cleveland to a Pro Football Championship/Title Game all 10 years of his career (and won 7 of them - including 3 in the NFL in just 6 years of that league) is Otto Graham. The significance of that was it was also the 1st 10 years of this Pro Football franchise. Having that leader at QB made participating in Championships Otto-matic. Nobody ever puts him in the GOAT QB discussions in here or nationally because he gets era snobbed. If you hear any thunder from above - that's Gipper growling about it.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
It's hilarious to me that Mahomo gets all the credit for no look passes when Kosar was doing it 30 some years earlier and making a living at it... Someone should show Mahomo old videos of Kosar and his no look side arm passes.. they were a thing of improvised beauty... I'll never forget when Dexter Manly had Kosar smothered at the LOS and Kosar threw a pass literally blindfolded 15 yards in to Brian Brennans hands for a nice gainer... I looked at my Father and said.. "Jesus Christ , Did you see that?.. We were both going nuts...
Thanks for taking me back to the golden era of following this team! True, I loved watching Bernie and what he could do in spite of his 85 pound cleats and injury altered mechanics/delivery later on. He overcame imperfections extremely well with vision. If you're gonna beat a blitz - you better have great vision starting with the pre-snap look at what's in front of you. Bernie excelled at it while Infante designed the offense to make that easy for him. Ever notice QBs that see the field best get called "cerebral"? Our other Kardiac Kid at QB also overcame imperfections like the weak arm nonsense. Brian Sipe threw for over 4132 yards and 30 TDs back when such a thing was unheard of with a completion percentage over 60% in 1980.
Unfortunately, people are only all about TODAY when they talk about QBs like I just did with KC's St Patrick. When you think about it - how many decades and rule changes ago was the 80s? Guys in their 20s and 30s don't give a rat about what happened before 1990. Having said that, the QB who never gets ANY credit at all for leading Cleveland to a Pro Football Championship/Title Game all 10 years of his career (and won 7 of them - including 3 in the NFL in just 6 years of that league) is Otto Graham. The significance of that was it was also the 1st 10 years of this Pro Football franchise. Having that leader at QB made participating in Championships Otto-matic. Nobody ever puts him in the GOAT QB discussions in here or nationally because he gets era snobbed. If you hear any thunder from above - that's Gipper growling about it.
Thanks for taking me back to the golden era of following this team! True, I loved watching Bernie and what he could do in spite of his 85 pound cleats and injury altered mechanics/delivery later on. He overcame imperfections extremely well with vision. If you're gonna beat a blitz - you better have great vision starting with the pre-snap look at what's in front of you. Bernie excelled at it while Infante designed the offense to make that easy for him. Ever notice QBs that see the field best get called "cerebral"? Our other Kardiac Kid at QB also overcame imperfections like the weak arm nonsense. Brian Sipe threw for over 4132 yards and 30 TDs back when such a thing was unheard of with a completion percentage over 60% in 1980.
Unfortunately, people are only all about TODAY when they talk about QBs like I just did with KC's St Patrick. When you think about it - how many decades and rule changes ago was the 80s? Guys in their 20s and 30s don't give a rat about what happened before 1990. Having said that, the QB who never gets ANY credit at all for leading Cleveland to a Pro Football Championship/Title Game all 10 years of his career (and won 7 of them - including 3 in the NFL in just 6 years of that league) is Otto Graham. The significance of that was it was also the 1st 10 years of this Pro Football franchise. Having that leader at QB made participating in Championships Otto-matic. Nobody ever puts him in the GOAT QB discussions in here or nationally because he gets era snobbed. If you hear any thunder from above - that's Gipper growling about it.
Good ol'Gipper!... as at odds as we were.. I miss that guy... He was fun to banter with...
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
I just explained Bernie to one of my younger cousins this way…great mind at the position, very good accuracy, couldn’t run but had elite pocket sense …maybe his most underrated trait- not a huge arm by any stretch but he could throw the deep ball.
I watched a little Phil Rivers being out in San Diego. Phil was Bernie (aside from Barking at 300 Lb defensive lineman) and if Bernie had better luck with injuries he was in that trajectory.
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Thanks for taking me back to the golden era of following this team! True, I loved watching Bernie and what he could do in spite of his 85 pound cleats and injury altered mechanics/delivery later on. He overcame imperfections extremely well with vision. If you're gonna beat a blitz - you better have great vision starting with the pre-snap look at what's in front of you. Bernie excelled at it while Infante designed the offense to make that easy for him. Ever notice QBs that see the field best get called "cerebral"? Our other Kardiac Kid at QB also overcame imperfections like the weak arm nonsense. Brian Sipe threw for over 4132 yards and 30 TDs back when such a thing was unheard of with a completion percentage over 60% in 1980.
Unfortunately, people are only all about TODAY when they talk about QBs like I just did with KC's St Patrick. When you think about it - how many decades and rule changes ago was the 80s? Guys in their 20s and 30s don't give a rat about what happened before 1990. Having said that, the QB who never gets ANY credit at all for leading Cleveland to a Pro Football Championship/Title Game all 10 years of his career (and won 7 of them - including 3 in the NFL in just 6 years of that league) is Otto Graham. The significance of that was it was also the 1st 10 years of this Pro Football franchise. Having that leader at QB made participating in Championships Otto-matic. Nobody ever puts him in the GOAT QB discussions in here or nationally because he gets era snobbed. If you hear any thunder from above - that's Gipper growling about it.
Good ol'Gipper!... as at odds as we were.. I miss that guy... He was fun to banter with...
Good ol'Gipper!... as at odds as we were.. I miss that guy... He was fun to banter with...
I miss that guy too. Probably my favorite poster to follow on this board!
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Thanks for taking me back to the golden era of following this team! True, I loved watching Bernie and what he could do in spite of his 85 pound cleats and injury altered mechanics/delivery later on. He overcame imperfections extremely well with vision. If you're gonna beat a blitz - you better have great vision starting with the pre-snap look at what's in front of you. Bernie excelled at it while Infante designed the offense to make that easy for him. Ever notice QBs that see the field best get called "cerebral"? Our other Kardiac Kid at QB also overcame imperfections like the weak arm nonsense. Brian Sipe threw for over 4132 yards and 30 TDs back when such a thing was unheard of with a completion percentage over 60% in 1980.
Unfortunately, people are only all about TODAY when they talk about QBs like I just did with KC's St Patrick. When you think about it - how many decades and rule changes ago was the 80s? Guys in their 20s and 30s don't give a rat about what happened before 1990. Having said that, the QB who never gets ANY credit at all for leading Cleveland to a Pro Football Championship/Title Game all 10 years of his career (and won 7 of them - including 3 in the NFL in just 6 years of that league) is Otto Graham. The significance of that was it was also the 1st 10 years of this Pro Football franchise. Having that leader at QB made participating in Championships Otto-matic. Nobody ever puts him in the GOAT QB discussions in here or nationally because he gets era snobbed. If you hear any thunder from above - that's Gipper growling about it.
Good ol'Gipper!... as at odds as we were.. I miss that guy... He was fun to banter with...
Good ol'Gipper!... as at odds as we were.. I miss that guy... He was fun to banter with...
Yup. I miss him. He could throw you under the bus. But he'd also stand in front of it for ya too. And I miss Tour...a kinder, gentler Gipper. Both brothers to us all.
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I only go back to 2015 here AUGUST 2016 as a member on TBB but pretty much agree with all the above on page 1 and page 2 here. mjp.
GO BROWNS ! .... and GO GUARDIANS too !
..... Also on TBB also on here, "just a click away". ....... (Did anyone here get that ? ) Just curious.
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It's hilarious to me that Mahomo gets all the credit for no look passes when Kosar was doing it 30 some years earlier and making a living at it... Someone should show Mahomo old videos of Kosar and his no look side arm passes.. they were a thing of improvised beauty... I'll never forget when Dexter Manly had Kosar smothered at the LOS and Kosar threw a pass literally blindfolded 15 yards in to Brian Brennans hands for a nice gainer... I looked at my Father and said.. "Jesus Christ , Did you see that?.. We were both going nuts...
Thanks for taking me back to the golden era of following this team! True, I loved watching Bernie and what he could do in spite of his 85 pound cleats and injury altered mechanics/delivery later on. He overcame imperfections extremely well with vision. If you're gonna beat a blitz - you better have great vision starting with the pre-snap look at what's in front of you. Bernie excelled at it while Infante designed the offense to make that easy for him. Ever notice QBs that see the field best get called "cerebral"? Our other Kardiac Kid at QB also overcame imperfections like the weak arm nonsense. Brian Sipe threw for over 4132 yards and 30 TDs back when such a thing was unheard of with a completion percentage over 60% in 1980.
Unfortunately, people are only all about TODAY when they talk about QBs like I just did with KC's St Patrick. When you think about it - how many decades and rule changes ago was the 80s? Guys in their 20s and 30s don't give a rat about what happened before 1990. Having said that, the QB who never gets ANY credit at all for leading Cleveland to a Pro Football Championship/Title Game all 10 years of his career (and won 7 of them - including 3 in the NFL in just 6 years of that league) is Otto Graham. The significance of that was it was also the 1st 10 years of this Pro Football franchise. Having that leader at QB made participating in Championships Otto-matic. Nobody ever puts him in the GOAT QB discussions in here or nationally because he gets era snobbed. If you hear any thunder from above - that's Gipper growling about it.
Thanks for taking me back to the golden era of following this team! True, I loved watching Bernie and what he could do in spite of his 85 pound cleats and injury altered mechanics/delivery later on. He overcame imperfections extremely well with vision. If you're gonna beat a blitz - you better have great vision starting with the pre-snap look at what's in front of you. Bernie excelled at it while Infante designed the offense to make that easy for him. Ever notice QBs that see the field best get called "cerebral"? Our other Kardiac Kid at QB also overcame imperfections like the weak arm nonsense. Brian Sipe threw for over 4132 yards and 30 TDs back when such a thing was unheard of with a completion percentage over 60% in 1980.
Unfortunately, people are only all about TODAY when they talk about QBs like I just did with KC's St Patrick. When you think about it - how many decades and rule changes ago was the 80s? Guys in their 20s and 30s don't give a rat about what happened before 1990. Having said that, the QB who never gets ANY credit at all for leading Cleveland to a Pro Football Championship/Title Game all 10 years of his career (and won 7 of them - including 3 in the NFL in just 6 years of that league) is Otto Graham. The significance of that was it was also the 1st 10 years of this Pro Football franchise. Having that leader at QB made participating in Championships Otto-matic. Nobody ever puts him in the GOAT QB discussions in here or nationally because he gets era snobbed. If you hear any thunder from above - that's Gipper growling about it.
I agree on Otto, but that is because he is our guy.
At this point it is kind of like talking about President Millard Fillmore. If they even know, nobody cares about Millard.
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Thanks for taking me back to the golden era of following this team! True, I loved watching Bernie and what he could do in spite of his 85 pound cleats and injury altered mechanics/delivery later on. He overcame imperfections extremely well with vision. If you're gonna beat a blitz - you better have great vision starting with the pre-snap look at what's in front of you. Bernie excelled at it while Infante designed the offense to make that easy for him. Ever notice QBs that see the field best get called "cerebral"? Our other Kardiac Kid at QB also overcame imperfections like the weak arm nonsense. Brian Sipe threw for over 4132 yards and 30 TDs back when such a thing was unheard of with a completion percentage over 60% in 1980.
Unfortunately, people are only all about TODAY when they talk about QBs like I just did with KC's St Patrick. When you think about it - how many decades and rule changes ago was the 80s? Guys in their 20s and 30s don't give a rat about what happened before 1990. Having said that, the QB who never gets ANY credit at all for leading Cleveland to a Pro Football Championship/Title Game all 10 years of his career (and won 7 of them - including 3 in the NFL in just 6 years of that league) is Otto Graham. The significance of that was it was also the 1st 10 years of this Pro Football franchise. Having that leader at QB made participating in Championships Otto-matic. Nobody ever puts him in the GOAT QB discussions in here or nationally because he gets era snobbed. If you hear any thunder from above - that's Gipper growling about it.
I agree on Otto, but that is because he is our guy.
At this point it is kind of like talking about President Millard Fillmore. If they even know, nobody cares about Millard.
I agree on Otto, but that is because he is our guy.
At this point it is kind of like talking about President Millard Fillmore. If they even know, nobody cares about Millard.
? I hear ya! Even going back as far as Sipe and Kosar in the 80s is stretching how far back we should be going. Unfortunately, that's how sad things became after them with a couple very temporary false hopes here and there.
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