2023 Browns Training Camp

[gumby73]

Good to be back !  In the books,

PSG1 Browns 21   Jets  16  F       Seeing Joe Thomas induction to HOF, off my bucket list !  Great time !

Browns back to work Sunday,

Browns coach Kevin Stefanski said before Sunday's practice.

"We're still [doing] installation, so we're just getting out of our installation on offense, defense, and special teams," "So [defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz is] putting in new blitzes, we're putting in new couple new runs, passes, those type of things. ... And again, that first Hall of Fame game comes at you fast. ... So just continuing to teach and make sure that we're not skipping any steps."

This week will be about as close to a "normal" week of training camp as the Browns will have this month. They are scheduled to practice in front of the fans Sunday, Monday and Wednesday, with their lone home preseason game at 7:30 p.m. Friday against the Washington Commanders.

** Stefanski acknowledged Sunday he's already got an idea of how the quarterback rotation will work for Friday's preseason game against the Commanders. However, that will not be disclosed to the public any earlier than he absolutely has to divulge it.

• Superheroes – August 7, practice begins today at 2 pm

[gumby73]

The following is the unofficial depth chart for the Browns' Week 1 preseason game Friday against the Commanders at Cleveland Browns Stadium. Kickoff is slated for 7:30 p.m.

Offense

Position	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th	6th
WR	Amari Cooper	#Jaelon  Darden	Anthony Schwartz	*Jalen Wayne
LT	Jedrick Wills Jr.	James Hudson III	# Tyrone Wheatley Jr.
LG	Joel Bitonio	Michael Dunn	Wes Martin
C	Ethan Pocic	Nick Harris	*Luke Wypler
RG	Wyatt Teller	#Drew Forbes	Colby Gossett
RT	Jack Conklin	*Dawand Jones	Derrick Kelly
TE	David Njoku	Jordan Akins	# Harrison  Bryant	Zaire Mitchell-Paden	*Thomas Greaney	Miller Forristall
WR	Donovan Peoples-Jones	David Bell	# Mike Harley  Jr.	# (Michael Woods II)
QB	Deshaun Watson	Joshua Dobbs	Kellen Mond	*Dorian Thompson Robinson
RB	Nick Chubb	#Jerome  Ford	Demetric Felton Jr.	John Kelly Jr.	*Hassan Hall
WR	Elijah Moore	*Cedric Tillman	# Jakeem  Grant  Sr.	Austin Watkins Jr.	# (Marquise  Goodwin)

Defense

Position	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	5th
LDE	Myles Garrett	Ogbo Okoronkwo	*Isaiah McGuire	*Lonnie Phelps	Chuck Wiley
LDT	Dalvin Tomlinson	# Trysten Hill	Maurice Hurst II	Sam Kamara
RDT	Jordan Elliott	Tommy Togiai	*Siaki Ika	Michael Dwumfour
RDE	Za'Darius Smith	# Alex Wright #	# Isaiah Thomas	*Jeremiah Martin
WILL	Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah	Tony Fields II	*Charlie Thomas	*Cam Bright
MIKE	Anthony Walker Jr.	Jacob Phillips	Jordan Kunaszyk
SAM	Sione Takitaki	# Matthew Adams	*Mohamoud Diabate
LCB	Denzel Ward	A.J. Green III	*Cameron Mitchell	Chris Westry	Gavin Heslop
RCB	# Greg Newsome II	Martin Emerson Jr.	Mike Ford Jr.	*Caleb Biggers	Lorenzo Burns
SS	Grant Delpit	D'Anthony Bell	*Ronnie Hickman
FS	Juan Thornhill	Rodney McLeod	Bubba Bolden	*Tanner McCallister

Special Teams

Position	1st	2nd	3rd
P	Corey Bojorquez
K	Cade York
H	Corey Bojoroquez
KR	# Jakeem Grant Sr.	# Jerome Ford	# Jaelon Darden
PR	# Jakeem Grant Sr.	Donovan Peoples-Jones	# Jaelon Darden
LS	Charley Hughlett

* - rookie         #- camp injury/recovery

(more updates Wednesday) edit- best update found--https://www.brownszone.com/2023/08/09/notes-jerome-ford-week-to-week-with-hamstring-injury-status-for-opener-uncertain/

Commanders release depth chart for Friday

OFFENSE

Position	First	Second	Third	Fourth
WR	Terry McLaurin	Dyami Brown	Brycen Tremayne	Jalen Sample
LT	Charles Leno Jr.	Cornelius Lucas	Braeden Daniels
LG	Saahdiq Charles	Chris Paul	Jaryd Jones-Smith	Mason Brooks
C	Nick Gates	Tyler Larsen	Ricky Stromberg
RG	Sam Cosmi	Aaron Monteiro	Nolan Laufenberg	Mason Brooks
RT	Andrew Wylie	Trent Scott	Alex Akingbulu
TE	Logan Thomas	John Bates	Cole Turner	Curtis Hodges/Brandon Dillon
WR	Curtis Samuel	Dax Milne	Kyric McGowan	Kazmeir Allen
WR	Jahan Dotson	Byron Pringle	Marcus Kemp	Mitchell Tinsley/Zion Bowens
QB	Sam Howell	Jacoby Brissett	Jake Fromm
RB	Brian Robinson	Antonio Gibson	Jonathan Williams/Chris Rodriguez Jr.	Derrick Gore/Jaret Patterson
FB	Alex Armah

DEFENSE

Position	First	Second	Third	Fourth
DE	Montez Sweat	Casey Toohill	Andre Jones Jr.	Joshua Pryor
DT	Daron Payne	John Ridgeway	Abdullah Anderson	Curtis Brooks
DT	Jonathan Allen	Phidarian Mathis	Efe Obada	Benning Potoa'e
DE	Chase Young	James Smith-Williams	K.J. Henry	William Bradley-King
OLB	Jamin Davis	Khaleke Hudson	De'Jon Harris	Ferrod Gardner
MLB	Cody Barton	David Mayo	Milo Eifler
CB	Kendall Fuller	Jartavius Martin	Nick Whiteside II	D.J. Stirgus
CB	Benjamin St-Juste	Rachad Wildgoose	Tariq Castro-Fields	Jace Whittaker
CB	Emmanuel Forbes Jr.	Danny Johnson	Christian Holmes	DeMarcus Fields
SS	Kam Curl	Jeremy Reaves	Kendall Smith
FS	Darrick Forrest	Percy Butler	Terrell Burgess

SPECIAL TEAMS

Position	First	Second	Third	Fourth
P	Tress Way
K	Joey Slye	Michael Badgley
H	Tress Way
LS	Cameron Cheeseman
KR	Antonio Gibson	Byron Pringle	Dax Milne	Jaret Patterson
PR	Dax Milne	Jahan Dotson	Kyric McGowan	Kazmeir Allen

[gumby73]

Morning and Happy Game day Friday !

Post above ^^ will contain unofficial depth charts for both teams. ^^

* DT Shelby Harris can be added. While DT  Michael Dwumfour was waived to make room.

Meanwhile, We can't have a Training Camp topic without a new look tour of Training Camp thanks to DBN Poko Traveler. Thanks Chris !

Kill some time & Enjoy !

[gumby73]

Good Monday morning !

Two remaining Preseason games left. How bout we end this Camp, with both SB opponents from last seasons SB on the Browns schedule..

This week the Browns have 2 inter-squad practices where the Philly Eagles fly.. Good to see Monday & Tuesdays updates should come after working hours, with scrimmage start times of 5 PM. Thursday's game is on NFL Network at 7:30 PM.

    https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-browns-joint-practices-spadaro-add-spice-to-preseason

Not sure if NFL network has access? but, Browns Twitter & Cleveland.com should have up to the minute updates from Twitter (X) while practice is live for real ? junkies.. 

Controlled practices are hopes of players remaining upright ?  Yeah, Lets do That !   

[Flugel]

@gumby73 said:

Good Monday morning !

Two remaining Preseason games left. How bout we end this Camp, with both SB opponents from last seasons SB on the Browns schedule..

This week the Browns have 2 inter-squad practices where the Philly Eagles fly.. Good to see Monday & Tuesdays updates should come after working hours, with scrimmage start times of 5 PM. Thursday's game is on NFL Network at 7:30 PM.

    https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-browns-joint-practices-spadaro-add-spice-to-preseason

Not sure if NFL network has access? but, Browns Twitter & Cleveland.com should have up to the minute updates from Twitter (X) while practice is live for real ? junkies.. 

Controlled practices are hopes of players remaining upright ?  Yeah, Lets do That !   

They'll probably get better/more extensive evaluations from the live scrimmages with Philly than the game on Thursday. They'll have more opportunity to see the 1's vrs 1's and 2's vrs 2's.  Can't wait to hear how they do... Hopefully there aren't any serious injuries.  Most of the teams do these so it isn't like the Browns and Eagles are inventing anything for those worrying about the injuries...   

[gumby73]

Very few media details. Zac Jackson (Akron) The Athletic

 

Zac Jackson

 

Practicing,

Greg Newsome did practice today with limitations, Stefanski said.

Takitaki and Walker did on the limited schedule they've had.

New DT Shelby Harris did practice.

 

Not Practicing

AJ Green is not practicing. (shoulder)

Elijah Moore did not practice. (ribs)

Ford & Darden are still out and were here early running w/trainers

Don't ask..

Dewand Jones is not moving from right tackle to left tackle, according to Stefanski, "so please stop asking. Thank you." 

will edit more details as/if they come

 

 

[syd]

@gumby73 said:

Dewand Jones is not moving from right tackle to left tackle, according to Stefanski, "so please stop asking. Thank you." 

LOL

[gumby73]

Most of these updates come from MKC, which her story will lock.. these won't, with same details on Eagles Day 1

 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/8/14/23832185/browns-injuries-myles-garrett-jack-conklin-eagles-joint-practice

[syd]

@gumby73 said:

Most of these updates come from MKC, which her story will lock.. these won't, with same details on Eagles Day 1

 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/8/14/23832185/browns-injuries-myles-garrett-jack-conklin-eagles-joint-practice

well that is good news. happy to hear all 3 are going to be fine. I hear the practice was very intense with both D'S getting after the QB.Reports were that our D was dominating their o line and making life difficult for hurts

[syd]

@gumby73 said:

Most of these updates come from MKC, which her story will lock.. these won't, with same details on Eagles Day 1

 https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/8/14/23832185/browns-injuries-myles-garrett-jack-conklin-eagles-joint-practice

alot of good info there MR. Gumby and thank you

[gumby73]

@syd said:

alot of good info there MR. Gumby and thank you

Thanks!

Talked with multiple sources who said both Garrett and Ward will be fine. One source said Garrett got nicked in the back of the leg and going in was precautionary

looking at Cabot's short video.. (whom reports foot) got my interest.. It looks like Garrett's left foot or leg this time.. Not on his same Pro bowl toe injury on his right foot..   either way we need that stud from Week 1 and on ! Cabot also reported Hudson went in for Conklin at RT.. They must feel Hudson is still ahead of Jones in that scenario. 

Sounds like we got some good work out of today

edit- @flugel  Wills likely accounted for some of these DE sacks.. the better daily reports are rolling in late  

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2023/8/14/23832306/cleveland-browns-philadelphia-eagles-joint-practices

[syd]

@gumby73 said:

Thanks!

Talked with multiple sources who said both Garrett and Ward will be fine. One source said Garrett got nicked in the back of the leg and going in was precautionary

looking at Cabot's short video.. (whom reports foot) got my interest.. It looks like Garrett's left foot or leg this time.. Not on his same Pro bowl toe injury on his right foot..   either way we need that stud from Week 1 and on ! Cabot also reported Hudson went in for Conklin at RT.. They must feel Hudson is still ahead of Jones in that scenario. 

Sounds like we got some good work out of today

i wish these practices were televised.But hey we get to see the back of the roster televised Thursday night which is important also

[Flugel]

@gumby73 said:

Thanks!

Talked with multiple sources who said both Garrett and Ward will be fine. One source said Garrett got nicked in the back of the leg and going in was precautionary

looking at Cabot's short video.. (whom reports foot) got my interest.. It looks like Garrett's left foot or leg this time.. Not on his same Pro bowl toe injury on his right foot..   either way we need that stud from Week 1 and on ! Cabot also reported Hudson went in for Conklin at RT.. They must feel Hudson is still ahead of Jones in that scenario. 

Sounds like we got some good work out of today

Appreciate the info about the injuries Gumbs.  It sounds like Conklin has a concussion, which I'm guessing shouldn't keep him out of the line-up on opening day.  I don't think he needs to prove anything in either of these last 2 pre-season games.  

The practices with Philly are a necessary evil. To your point Gumbs - they got in some good work today.  I wonder how well the team matched up with Philly today.   What went well?  What needs work?  The usual questions we want answers to this time of year.  I'd love to know how Wills did...  

[SdBacker80]

@flugel said:

Appreciate the info about the injuries Gumbs.  It sounds like Conklin has a concussion, which I'm guessing shouldn't keep him out of the line-up on opening day.  I don't think he needs to prove anything in either of these last 2 pre-season games.  

The practices with Philly are a necessary evil. To your point Gumbs - they got in some good work today.  I wonder how well the team matched up with Philly today.   What went well?  What needs work?  The usual questions we want answers to this time of year.  I'd love to know how Wills did...  

found this…

https://sports.yahoo.com/eagles-training-camp-observations-ups-000420476.html
 

Looks like our Dline played well

[Flugel]

@sdbacker80 said:

found this…

https://sports.yahoo.com/eagles-training-camp-observations-ups-000420476.html
 

Looks like our Dline played well

This was the area of the defense that needed the most improvement; so that's really good news.

[syd]

Eagles took some ‘cheap shots’ at Deshaun Watson and other Browns on Day 2, guard Joel Bitonio says

• Published: Aug. 15, 2023, 5:36 p.m.

By 

• Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com

 

PHILADELPHIA — The Super Bowl runner-up Eagles came out an imposed their will on the Browns on Day 2 of their joint practices, but Joel Bitonio says they went too far, taking ‘cheap shots’ on both sides of the ball at times.

Specifically, he was miffed that the Eagles played it too fast and loose with Deshaun Watson, with defensive end Josh Sweat at one point knocking the ball out of his hand on a would-be strip-sack.

 

 

‘You’re not supposed to that,” Bitonio said.

 

 

The practice, conducted in 89-degree heat with a “feels-like” temperature of 96 degrees, also got chippy about a half hour into the session when safety Reed Blankenship — who picked off two Watson passes on Tuesday and one on Monday — ran over running back Demetric Felton when returning his first interception on a ball tipped by linebacker Zach Cunningham, and a scuffle ensued.

 

 

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Man-mountain Dawand Jones (6-8, 374) got involved in some pushing and shoving to defend his teammates, and after players from both teams joined the scrum, it was quickly broken up.

 

 

“We’re going into this week trying to get better in practice and work and sometimes there are some cheap shots and things like that where you want to defend yourself,” Bitonio said. “I don’t know the exact situation, but there were a couple shots today where we’re trying to make sure we’re getting the best out of practice and not fighting. But it was just a little heated second day. It always gets a little bit more fired up.”

 

 

Kevin Stefanski, who ran clean joint practices with the Eagles last year in Cleveland and hoped to do it again, intervened and calmed things down

 

 

“We don’t want to fight out here,” Bitonio said. “We want to get better and when two teams are competing, things are going to get fired up. So it happens. But coach tried to calm us down and when he has the offense and their defense, we try and control those situations.

 

 

Bitonio said he felt the tempers flaring before the scuffle ensued.

 

“Oh yeah,” he said. “I mean that’s why you do two days because three days it’d be a blood bath the last day, so even two days gets a little bit chippy the second day. You go back, you watch the film, ‘you’re like, oh, we’ve got to do this better, or they got to do this better’ and the next day’s going to be a little bit more ramped up.”

 

 

More so than the fight, Bitonio was miffed that the Eagles broke the rules and touched his unsuspecting quarterback.

 

 

“I mean it’s just in our practice, you protect the quarterback,” he said. “You don’t want to come close to the quarterback, you don’t want to take cheap shots, things like that where there might’ve been a couple of questionable plays both ways today.”

 

 

Myles Garrett, who participated only in individual drills because of his foot injury from Monday,

 

 

“I didn’t see cheap shots myself,” Garrett said. “I’m not saying that they didn’t happen, but I didn’t see any. I saw there were some skirmishes on the offensive field, so check in and I know they’ll be better and I know the older guys, they have a lot of vets that will help them continue to practice the right way and have good habits.

 

 

“We’ll do the same on our side. Fights not going to start from just one side doing anything. It takes a little bit from both, so we both need to improve. We’ll be able to get out here and get good work.”

 

 

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Despite the Eagles defense beating the Browns offense on Tuesday — including the two interceptions by Blankenship of Watson — Bitonio saw progress from the offense. Blankenship’s second pick came in the back of the end zone on a pass intended for tight end Jordan Akins. Cornerback Zech McPhearson also got his hands on a Watson pass intended for Donovan Peoples-Jones in the end zone, but was out of bounds.

 

 

“The last two-minute period today, they obviously got the best of us, but I think there was some growth,” Bitonio said. “Some guys stepped up today for us. You get a feel against different rushers because in practice I’m going against a couple guys a day here. So you feel some different rushes, you feel some different techniques. They have one of the better D lines in the league, maybe some say the best. We have a pretty good D line too, so it’s good to go out there and battle and test out some of your techniques.”

 

 

Bitonio isn’t overly alarmed about the Browns struggling in the red zone both here and at home, except for one or two days when they dominated.

 

“We’re working through it,” he said. “Our defense sees the concepts that we’re running in practice, so they saw throughout OTAs, they saw throughout minicamp, we have some good players on defense, so they find some things.

 

 

“Today we didn’t convert as much as we wanted, but it’s stuff we’re working through. You want to see your defense compete early in camp because they usually have a step up on the offense. But I’m not concerned at this moment about it.”

 

 

The Browns were also without right tackle Jack Conklin, who’s in the concussion protocol, and receiver Elijah Moore, who was limited to individual drills because of his rib injury. The Browns without Moore would be like the Eagles without A.J. Brown or Devonta Smith.

 

 

“He’s going to be one of our, I want to say Queen on the chess board, they can move everywhere,” Bitonio said. “They want to get him the ball. They realize he’s an explosive player. He’s played some running back in his past and I think they want to use our weapons. Whatever our strengths are, they want to use it and he’s a good complement to Amari (Cooper), to David (Njoku), to (Donovan Peoples-Jone), to Nick (Chubb), so it’s going to be good. I know he hasn’t been out there. It’d been nice to see him out there the last couple of days, but we’ll get him healthy for Week One.”

 

The starters won’t have to worry about tempers flaring during the game against then Eagles here Thursday night. Stefanski will rest his starters and play only backups.

[gumby73]

Sums up inter squad Day 2 fairly well..

https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/eagles-training-camp-practice-notes-august-15

Off Wednesday.. Game Day Thursday 7:30 pm

[Kvoethe]

According to Philly Inquirer's E.J. Smith, Watson threw three interceptions in the team's joint training camp practices with the Philadelphia Eagles. All three interceptions were to Eagles safety Reed Blankenship

Reports claim Watson has been sacked multiple times and that the Eagles' defense "put on a show" against the Browns in joint practices. 

Watson needs to rebound if the Browns are going to do anything this season.

[syd]

@kvoethe said:

According to Philly Inquirer's E.J. Smith, Watson threw three interceptions in the team's joint training camp practices with the Philadelphia Eagles. All three interceptions were to Eagles safety Reed Blankenship

Reports claim Watson has been sacked multiple times and that the Eagles' defense "put on a show" against the Browns in joint practices. 

Watson needs to rebound if the Browns are going to do anything this season.

 The defense prepares to take on the Browns' offense in a 7-on-7 session, and Deshaun Watson starts off hot. The veteran striped a throw to tight end Jordan Akins on a double move to the back left corner of the end zone, and sandwiched a pair of other completions with a toss to Cedric Tillman on a slot fade in the same spot

edit: this was taken from the eagles web page

[gumby73]

I'm in the Camp of thinking, this chippy-ness won't settle down till about halftime 

@syd said:

besides DTR have they announced the starting line up for tommorows game?

 Best we can go off of, is the 2 unofficial depth charts/

 benching the 1's, per both HC's & the injured not suiting up..

Browns- https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/browns-announce-unofficial-depth-chart-for-3rd-preseason-game-vs-eagles

Eagles- https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/team/depth-chart Mariota was named to start

concerns? 

It's time we get Jakeem Grant or Jaelon Darden on some PR/WR reps. We need their speed. Losing Goodwin is a bummer

Guard play (Dunn/Martin/Gossett) ? been rough to watch since losing Forbes. N. Harris & Wypler/ under-size'd to play G

Can't image Obo, Akins or Mcleod seeing many reps

Get out of here clean ! (healthy)