Watson's shoulder
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Stefanski isn't calling plays. Depodesta is. Why is this concept so hard for Browns fans to grasp? Depodesta isn't he head coach.
Even the Rams HC Sean McVay, admittedly hates walking into a Friday anal dept meeting weekly..
most 32 coaches, talk this same 'games played/called outcome percentages', BS ?, when asked in press conference's on this same subject
We do know Stef's holding a play call sheet in his hands for now......... his job, his choice?
Even the Rams HC Sean McVay, admittedly hates walking into a Friday anal dept meeting weekly..
most 32 coaches, talk this same 'games played/called outcome percentages', BS ?, when asked in press conference's on this same subject
We do know Stef's holding a play call sheet in his hands for now......... his job, his choice?
I'm at the point where I don't care WHO we give the credit to for the bad playcalling; because it won't end as long as we have the worst owner in the NFL. I don't care if he opens his wallet and has no idea what he's spending his money on like Randy Lerner did. That did what for us then and now?
The DESIGN of this offense is a joke. It's not sound and REAL defenses will exploit it easily as we've seen repeatedly. Now you guys know why I wasn't doing cartwheels and backward flips Elijah Moore that played himself out of the Jets starting lineup last year. The names keep changing but the results don't.
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Even the Rams HC Sean McVay, admittedly hates walking into a Friday anal dept meeting weekly..
most 32 coaches, talk this same 'games played/called outcome percentages', BS ?, when asked in press conference's on this same subject
We do know Stef's holding a play call sheet in his hands for now......... his job, his choice?
I'm at the point where I don't care WHO we give the credit to for the bad playcalling; because it won't end as long as we have the worst owner in the NFL. I don't care if he opens his wallet and has no idea what he's spending his money on like Randy Lerner did. That did what for us then and now?
The DESIGN of this offense is a joke. It's not sound and REAL defenses will exploit it easily as we've seen repeatedly. Now you guys know why I wasn't doing cartwheels and backward flips Elijah Moore that played himself out of the Jets starting lineup last year. The names keep changing but the results don't.
The DESIGN of this offense is a joke. It's not sound and REAL defenses will exploit it easily as we've seen repeatedly.
The names keep changing but the results don't.
It's not like good coaches like Harbaugh & Tomlin can't figured out Stef's offensive system by now.. It still comes down to players executing & it's not NFL physical enough against those 2 teams.
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
DTR... DeShaun Kizer won a starting job on 1 preseason deep TD pass against 2's & 3's.. We saw all we needed to see of DTR playing against the birds 1's..?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
DTR looked like a crackhead, both figuratively and literally. Stefanski doesn't know how to call non-Nick Chubb plays
I don't really blame the kid for having a bad outing his first game in the NFL against one of the better defenses. It's not like our defense would have performed up to the reputation even with a healthy Watson. But if we are calling plays it require him to take off and run this is what we get. If it's a rotator cuff time to get used to DTR.
WSS
I don't really blame the kid for having a bad outing his first game in the NFL against one of the better defenses. It's not like our defense would have performed up to the reputation even with a healthy Watson. But if we are calling plays it require him to take off and run this is what we get. If it's a rotator cuff time to get used to DTR.
WSS
There are no excuses in the NFL. Stefanski didn't do DTR any favors, but most of his throws weren't even in the same zip code as the receiver.
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I think the Browns would have lost this game regardless of the qb - DTR had a terrible day, sure.
DTR would have won last week's game. The stinking ratbirds are just that good on defense, in the secondary.... and I said this about the game upcoming -
"Jackson scrambling for points seems to be the deciding factor.".... and there he still went and did it.
Yes, Jackson surprised me with a few nice throws he wouldn't have made before in his career. But his athleticism seems to be off the charts.
and Andrews -Jackson's saving grace when the heat is on. Like Kelsey to Mahommes, like Gronk to Brady.....
Browns need a very smart, great hc.
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
If is wasn't for bad luck.......
Why didn't we keep Brissett?
Brissett contract was up and he wanted to compete for a starting job, which he had a chance at for the commanders.
Trading Dobbs for a 5th is the questionable decision in hindsight. They must have had a lot of faith in DTR
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The DESIGN of this offense is a joke. It's not sound and REAL defenses will exploit it easily as we've seen repeatedly.
The names keep changing but the results don't.
It's not like good coaches like Harbaugh & Tomlin can't figured out Stef's offensive system by now.. It still comes down to players executing & it's not NFL physical enough against those 2 teams.
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
DTR... DeShaun Kizer won a starting job on 1 preseason deep TD pass against 2's & 3's.. We saw all we needed to see of DTR playing against the birds 1's..?
It's not like good coaches like Harbaugh & Tomlin can't figured out Stef's offensive system by now.. It still comes down to players executing & it's not NFL physical enough against those 2 teams.
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
DTR... DeShaun Kizer won a starting job on 1 preseason deep TD pass against 2's & 3's.. We saw all we needed to see of DTR playing against the birds 1's..?
The offensive system or the just wing-it, fling-it and hope? The defense showed up to play very early on; and the home crowd was enjoying it. However, how long were they getting to rest after they stopped Baltimore? By the time they intercepted DTR the 1st time, our defense looked gas'd like the big fellers started looking/feeling like they had the type of dead legs you'd see on someone that just ran a 10k. Baltimore's D remained well rested. They had a game fitting what they're good at. Consequently, the execution looked easy after they tired out the strength of our team (Defense).
While I like your point about execution, at what point do we lose the players' buy-in to the compatibility of it all? Asking a rookie QB (that has had very little reps throwing to the starting receivers/TEs and situational role receivers) to throw the ball 36 times where chemistry probably hasn't even been establish on the practice field yet seems overwhelming for a very 1st NFL start at QB. Baltimore's D remained well rested. They had a patient game plan fitting what they're good at. Consequently, the execution looked easy after they tired out the strength of our team (Defense). Legs get tired there when the time of possession on offense isn't up to snuff.
While I agree with your comment in bold, did Watson look that much better against Pittsburgh? They scored 2 TDs on our offense. In the game thread, I said it way more than once RUN the ball. That one nice run Ford had that got called back when Cooper held a DB (he didn't need to) - they never went back to it.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
The DESIGN of this offense is a joke. It's not sound and REAL defenses will exploit it easily as we've seen repeatedly.
The names keep changing but the results don't.
It's not like good coaches like Harbaugh & Tomlin can't figured out Stef's offensive system by now.. It still comes down to players executing & it's not NFL physical enough against those 2 teams.
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
DTR... DeShaun Kizer won a starting job on 1 preseason deep TD pass against 2's & 3's.. We saw all we needed to see of DTR playing against the birds 1's..?
It's not like good coaches like Harbaugh & Tomlin can't figured out Stef's offensive system by now.. It still comes down to players executing & it's not NFL physical enough against those 2 teams.
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
DTR... DeShaun Kizer won a starting job on 1 preseason deep TD pass against 2's & 3's.. We saw all we needed to see of DTR playing against the birds 1's..?
I call DTR "Dont throw!, Run!"
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It's not like good coaches like Harbaugh & Tomlin can't figured out Stef's offensive system by now.. It still comes down to players executing & it's not NFL physical enough against those 2 teams.
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
DTR... DeShaun Kizer won a starting job on 1 preseason deep TD pass against 2's & 3's.. We saw all we needed to see of DTR playing against the birds 1's..?
I call DTR "Dont throw!, Run!"
I call DTR "Dont throw!, Run!"
? It would have been nice to ask you - how was the game Nicks? Unfortunately we all watched it and swore in languages that don't even exist yet so... Did you finally stop puking?
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? It would have been nice to ask you - how was the game Nicks? Unfortunately we all watched it and swore in languages that don't even exist yet so... Did you finally stop puking?
Tom... I enjoyed being with my Mother,Siblings and other family members... It was great being wit them.. The game... Heh abysmal as it was... I refuse to let that spoil the day... Other wise.. Those GODDD#$%^**^%$#@&!!!!!!!!!!!! Mother$%&((&%$##^!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's not like good coaches like Harbaugh & Tomlin can't figured out Stef's offensive system by now.. It still comes down to players executing & it's not NFL physical enough against those 2 teams.
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
DTR... DeShaun Kizer won a starting job on 1 preseason deep TD pass against 2's & 3's.. We saw all we needed to see of DTR playing against the birds 1's..?
The offensive system or the just wing-it, fling-it and hope? The defense showed up to play very early on; and the home crowd was enjoying it. However, how long were they getting to rest after they stopped Baltimore? By the time they intercepted DTR the 1st time, our defense looked gas'd like the big fellers started looking/feeling like they had the type of dead legs you'd see on someone that just ran a 10k. Baltimore's D remained well rested. They had a game fitting what they're good at. Consequently, the execution looked easy after they tired out the strength of our team (Defense).
While I like your point about execution, at what point do we lose the players' buy-in to the compatibility of it all? Asking a rookie QB (that has had very little reps throwing to the starting receivers/TEs and situational role receivers) to throw the ball 36 times where chemistry probably hasn't even been establish on the practice field yet seems overwhelming for a very 1st NFL start at QB. Baltimore's D remained well rested. They had a patient game plan fitting what they're good at. Consequently, the execution looked easy after they tired out the strength of our team (Defense). Legs get tired there when the time of possession on offense isn't up to snuff.
While I agree with your comment in bold, did Watson look that much better against Pittsburgh? They scored 2 TDs on our offense. In the game thread, I said it way more than once RUN the ball. That one nice run Ford had that got called back when Cooper held a DB (he didn't need to) - they never went back to it.
I said it way more than once RUN the ball. That one nice run Ford had that got called back when Cooper held a DB (he didn't need to) - they never went back to it.
That’s been a disturbing trend with Kev, for whatever reason the bastard hates running the ball.
I watched rookie QB and the Texans beat the Steelers yesterday with slants, screens, and gashed the Stoolers running the ball.
Somehow I get the feeling Kev needs to take notes.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Stefanski isn't calling plays. Depodesta is. Why is this concept so hard for Browns fans to grasp? Depodesta isn't he head coach.
For a guy that got kicked out of Cub Scouts for eating too many Brownies (and I'm not just talking about chocolate snacks here) - your sniffer's got you hunting again.
I think the Paralysis by Over-analysis Committee needs to go. It's like we have 2 Wiley Coyotes in charge of how to get the game and go for the kill. I can't even watch the replays...
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I said it way more than once RUN the ball. That one nice run Ford had that got called back when Cooper held a DB (he didn't need to) - they never went back to it.
That’s been a disturbing trend with Kev, for whatever reason the bastard hates running the ball.
I watched rookie QB and the Texans beat the Steelers yesterday with slants, screens, and gashed the Stoolers running the ball.
Somehow I get the feeling Kev needs to take notes.
That’s been a disturbing trend with Kev, for whatever reason the bastard hates running the ball.
I watched rookie QB and the Texans beat the Steelers yesterday with slants, screens, and gashed the Stoolers running the ball.
Somehow I get the feeling Kev needs to take notes.
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The DESIGN of this offense is a joke. It's not sound and REAL defenses will exploit it easily as we've seen repeatedly.
The names keep changing but the results don't.
It's not like good coaches like Harbaugh & Tomlin can't figured out Stef's offensive system by now.. It still comes down to players executing & it's not NFL physical enough against those 2 teams.
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
DTR... DeShaun Kizer won a starting job on 1 preseason deep TD pass against 2's & 3's.. We saw all we needed to see of DTR playing against the birds 1's..?
Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
The biggest issue wasn't so much the front on the Dline itself, but when we went to gap exchange or our LB"s had to scrape against the read. They missed quite a few tackles early. Once that got cleaned up, defense started to settle in after that body shock of a 2nd qtr.
I think the Browns would have lost this game regardless of the qb - DTR had a terrible day, sure.
DTR would have won last week's game.
At any point, just don't say dumb shit like this. You're either oblivious to how good the Titans DEF can be, or just... I don't know - maybe it's autism.
The offensive system or the just wing-it, fling-it and hope?
A lot of what was done yesterday was to combat the fact that BLT showed up in quarters instead of their usual 3 deep looks. Something I didn't expect. They really took a lot of the vertical stuff and left Njoku and the RB's room to roam, even against RoQuan. Sadly, DTR went to these options way late, time and time again. Speaking of, I was getting Dairy Queen when you called, I'll get back to you later bubs.
The Jets passed early and often against the Chiefs last night. For many, that's against 'conventional' wisdom with a struggling QB. But it worked for them. Granted, Zach Wilson isn't a rookie, but he isn't good either. Chiefs ended up blitzing and man coveraged themselves into real trouble and are lucky to have won that game last night. The best way to help a young QB, is to keep him out of traditional passing situations. Especially when we consider the trouble our Oline is facing right now. Trouble that now includes Teller being a liability in straight drop pass pro. Whatever grades he has been getting for the positive, have been offset by that right there.
That’s been a disturbing trend with Kev, for whatever reason the bastard hates running the ball.
Browns have been top 5 every year except one, in NFL rushing attempts under Stef. The two biggest names above us are teams that use their QB's as the +1 in the running game as the great equalizer. And we currently sit at 5th in rushing attempts now as well.
So..... yeah. Hating the run would be having Austin Eckler and Justin Jackson, but only being 28th in rushing attempts.
I watched rookie QB and the Texans beat the Steelers yesterday with slants, screens, and gashed the Stoolers running the ball.
Stroud is currently 3rd in YPA/passing. Yesterday he was just over a 50% clip. Apart from the backside RPO to Nico on the TD, most of what the Texans did was incredibly similar to what the Niners did and what the Browns tried to do, I presume you saw how many empty sets they ran? They even hit a stick/out early that DIDN"T go for a pick six. Crazy shit, huh? The differences between those 3 teams? - Check pressure rates allowed by the Oline. *hint, Browns are leading in a not-good way*. Hell, the Texans passed as much as they ran on 1st and 3rd yesterday. Wasn't like it was just "DERP, RUN". Watt was taken care of just enough to not fuck their offensive game plan.
NOTHING with this team has changed since week 1 for the positive. The Oline has become worse because of injury and diminished play from Teller. The RB situation is what it is because Chubb is out, and we just so happened to start a raw, rookie 5th round QB on top of it. Anybody expecting anything less than a physical grind of a loss was fooling themselves. I get we wanted to 'look' competitive, and we've seen young QB's have success against the Browns before, but that's generally in incredibly favorable situations. Such as having the worst DL in the NFL or having an offense that just hands the ball right back over.
What's on the coaches has continued to be on the coaches - finding higher percentage throws faster against defenses they're seeing. Not being too over-reliant or under-reliant on the screen game. Or worse, as we saw yesterday from Roquan Smith, going for the screen game on later downs when A) he's one of the best in the NFL at eaing them alive and b) it's sort of expected. That I hold against Stef. The screen game could have been more prominent on the early downs, but when that is so wrapped up in setting up success passing games off simple concepts and the timing, it's difficult to execute those screens when the routine stuff is a problem.
When the Browns win it's *coaches did good* when the Browns lose it's *FIRE EVERYBODY*. This place, and the bulk of the posters here, are no different than anywhere else.
Let me make clear though, that's not a current endorsement of Stef, Musgrave and Van Pelt. There are things they can, and I hope WILL, be doing much better.
edit: Money where my mouth was - took Browns team UNDER at 18.5 points yesterday. Let's be practical here. But I'm warning all of you, BYE week or not, I'm struggling to see any scenario where this team beats San Fran. They're healthy and right now the best team in the NFL. Just hoping for no further personnel losses and an offense that continues to build and show some progression under Watson. Right now, focus on the AFCN and securing a wild card spot. Everything else is a cherry on top. The offensive roster currently isn't ready to contend.
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Even Jim Schwartz thru some questionable wide gaping (DT) fronts that invited out physical'd running results.
The biggest issue wasn't so much the front on the Dline itself, but when we went to gap exchange or our LB"s had to scrape against the read. They missed quite a few tackles early. Once that got cleaned up, defense started to settle in after that body shock of a 2nd qtr.
I think the Browns would have lost this game regardless of the qb - DTR had a terrible day, sure.
DTR would have won last week's game.
At any point, just don't say dumb shit like this. You're either oblivious to how good the Titans DEF can be, or just... I don't know - maybe it's autism.
The offensive system or the just wing-it, fling-it and hope?
A lot of what was done yesterday was to combat the fact that BLT showed up in quarters instead of their usual 3 deep looks. Something I didn't expect. They really took a lot of the vertical stuff and left Njoku and the RB's room to roam, even against RoQuan. Sadly, DTR went to these options way late, time and time again. Speaking of, I was getting Dairy Queen when you called, I'll get back to you later bubs.
The Jets passed early and often against the Chiefs last night. For many, that's against 'conventional' wisdom with a struggling QB. But it worked for them. Granted, Zach Wilson isn't a rookie, but he isn't good either. Chiefs ended up blitzing and man coveraged themselves into real trouble and are lucky to have won that game last night. The best way to help a young QB, is to keep him out of traditional passing situations. Especially when we consider the trouble our Oline is facing right now. Trouble that now includes Teller being a liability in straight drop pass pro. Whatever grades he has been getting for the positive, have been offset by that right there.
That’s been a disturbing trend with Kev, for whatever reason the bastard hates running the ball.
Browns have been top 5 every year except one, in NFL rushing attempts under Stef. The two biggest names above us are teams that use their QB's as the +1 in the running game as the great equalizer. And we currently sit at 5th in rushing attempts now as well.
So..... yeah. Hating the run would be having Austin Eckler and Justin Jackson, but only being 28th in rushing attempts.
I watched rookie QB and the Texans beat the Steelers yesterday with slants, screens, and gashed the Stoolers running the ball.
Stroud is currently 3rd in YPA/passing. Yesterday he was just over a 50% clip. Apart from the backside RPO to Nico on the TD, most of what the Texans did was incredibly similar to what the Niners did and what the Browns tried to do, I presume you saw how many empty sets they ran? They even hit a stick/out early that DIDN"T go for a pick six. Crazy shit, huh? The differences between those 3 teams? - Check pressure rates allowed by the Oline. *hint, Browns are leading in a not-good way*. Hell, the Texans passed as much as they ran on 1st and 3rd yesterday. Wasn't like it was just "DERP, RUN". Watt was taken care of just enough to not fuck their offensive game plan.
NOTHING with this team has changed since week 1 for the positive. The Oline has become worse because of injury and diminished play from Teller. The RB situation is what it is because Chubb is out, and we just so happened to start a raw, rookie 5th round QB on top of it. Anybody expecting anything less than a physical grind of a loss was fooling themselves. I get we wanted to 'look' competitive, and we've seen young QB's have success against the Browns before, but that's generally in incredibly favorable situations. Such as having the worst DL in the NFL or having an offense that just hands the ball right back over.
What's on the coaches has continued to be on the coaches - finding higher percentage throws faster against defenses they're seeing. Not being too over-reliant or under-reliant on the screen game. Or worse, as we saw yesterday from Roquan Smith, going for the screen game on later downs when A) he's one of the best in the NFL at eaing them alive and b) it's sort of expected. That I hold against Stef. The screen game could have been more prominent on the early downs, but when that is so wrapped up in setting up success passing games off simple concepts and the timing, it's difficult to execute those screens when the routine stuff is a problem.
When the Browns win it's *coaches did good* when the Browns lose it's *FIRE EVERYBODY*. This place, and the bulk of the posters here, are no different than anywhere else.
Let me make clear though, that's not a current endorsement of Stef, Musgrave and Van Pelt. There are things they can, and I hope WILL, be doing much better.
edit: Money where my mouth was - took Browns team UNDER at 18.5 points yesterday. Let's be practical here. But I'm warning all of you, BYE week or not, I'm struggling to see any scenario where this team beats San Fran. They're healthy and right now the best team in the NFL. Just hoping for no further personnel losses and an offense that continues to build and show some progression under Watson. Right now, focus on the AFCN and securing a wild card spot. Everything else is a cherry on top. The offensive roster currently isn't ready to contend.
The biggest issue wasn't so much the front on the Dline itself, but when we went to gap exchange or our LB"s had to scrape against the read. They missed quite a few tackles early. Once that got cleaned up, defense started to settle in after that body shock of a 2nd qtr.
At any point, just don't say dumb shit like this. You're either oblivious to how good the Titans DEF can be, or just... I don't know - maybe it's autism.
A lot of what was done yesterday was to combat the fact that BLT showed up in quarters instead of their usual 3 deep looks. Something I didn't expect. They really took a lot of the vertical stuff and left Njoku and the RB's room to roam, even against RoQuan. Sadly, DTR went to these options way late, time and time again. Speaking of, I was getting Dairy Queen when you called, I'll get back to you later bubs.
The Jets passed early and often against the Chiefs last night. For many, that's against 'conventional' wisdom with a struggling QB. But it worked for them. Granted, Zach Wilson isn't a rookie, but he isn't good either. Chiefs ended up blitzing and man coveraged themselves into real trouble and are lucky to have won that game last night. The best way to help a young QB, is to keep him out of traditional passing situations. Especially when we consider the trouble our Oline is facing right now. Trouble that now includes Teller being a liability in straight drop pass pro. Whatever grades he has been getting for the positive, have been offset by that right there.
Browns have been top 5 every year except one, in NFL rushing attempts under Stef. The two biggest names above us are teams that use their QB's as the +1 in the running game as the great equalizer. And we currently sit at 5th in rushing attempts now as well.
So..... yeah. Hating the run would be having Austin Eckler and Justin Jackson, but only being 28th in rushing attempts.
Stroud is currently 3rd in YPA/passing. Yesterday he was just over a 50% clip. Apart from the backside RPO to Nico on the TD, most of what the Texans did was incredibly similar to what the Niners did and what the Browns tried to do, I presume you saw how many empty sets they ran? They even hit a stick/out early that DIDN"T go for a pick six. Crazy shit, huh? The differences between those 3 teams? - Check pressure rates allowed by the Oline. *hint, Browns are leading in a not-good way*. Hell, the Texans passed as much as they ran on 1st and 3rd yesterday. Wasn't like it was just "DERP, RUN". Watt was taken care of just enough to not fuck their offensive game plan.
NOTHING with this team has changed since week 1 for the positive. The Oline has become worse because of injury and diminished play from Teller. The RB situation is what it is because Chubb is out, and we just so happened to start a raw, rookie 5th round QB on top of it. Anybody expecting anything less than a physical grind of a loss was fooling themselves. I get we wanted to 'look' competitive, and we've seen young QB's have success against the Browns before, but that's generally in incredibly favorable situations. Such as having the worst DL in the NFL or having an offense that just hands the ball right back over.
What's on the coaches has continued to be on the coaches - finding higher percentage throws faster against defenses they're seeing. Not being too over-reliant or under-reliant on the screen game. Or worse, as we saw yesterday from Roquan Smith, going for the screen game on later downs when A) he's one of the best in the NFL at eaing them alive and b) it's sort of expected. That I hold against Stef. The screen game could have been more prominent on the early downs, but when that is so wrapped up in setting up success passing games off simple concepts and the timing, it's difficult to execute those screens when the routine stuff is a problem.
When the Browns win it's *coaches did good* when the Browns lose it's *FIRE EVERYBODY*. This place, and the bulk of the posters here, are no different than anywhere else.
Let me make clear though, that's not a current endorsement of Stef, Musgrave and Van Pelt. There are things they can, and I hope WILL, be doing much better.
edit: Money where my mouth was - took Browns team UNDER at 18.5 points yesterday. Let's be practical here. But I'm warning all of you, BYE week or not, I'm struggling to see any scenario where this team beats San Fran. They're healthy and right now the best team in the NFL. Just hoping for no further personnel losses and an offense that continues to build and show some progression under Watson. Right now, focus on the AFCN and securing a wild card spot. Everything else is a cherry on top. The offensive roster currently isn't ready to contend.
God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
A day after getting blown out 28-3 by the Ravens at home, much of the focus was on how the Browns handled Deshaun Watson’s shoulder injury leading up to the game.
Here’s our top Brownie Bites from Monday as they head into the bye week.
The handling of Watson’s shoulder injury over the last week raised questions about the Browns decision making processes leading up to the game. “He knows his body,” Stefanski said Monday. “He's played through serious pain before. Very, very serious injuries. It wasn't a matter of pain tolerance or anything. He just did not feel like he had his full faculties.” According to Stefanski there is no structural problems with Watson’s right shoulder, so that’s good news. The Browns failed in how they handled Baker Mayfield’s injury in 2021. Mayfield said he could and wanted to play but he struggled the remainder of the season and it led to a divorce. Last week the Browns kept listening to Watson tell them he was okay and ready to play despite being unable to throw during practice. Then came Sunday morning and he still couldn’t throw a football. “He didn't throw all week and we had to get to the game and that was the first time he was going to throw to see ultimately how he felt, if he felt like he could drive a throw, those type of things,” Stefanski said. “So he was confident in it. Like I told you guys, he's disappointed but I wouldn't make it any more than that.” Stefanski did not change the gameplan to accommodate rookie Dorian Thompson-Robinson, who appeared ill-equipped to handle the backup role that saw him complete 19 of 36 passes for 121 yards with three interceptions, Stefanski dismissed the notion that better planning for Thompson-Robinson to start would’ve yielded better results. “What happened yesterday was not an issue of not knowing if DTR was going to play,” Stefanski said. “That was not it at all. We just have to coach better and play better.”
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@ghoolie-always-ghoolie said:
Stefanski isn't calling plays. Depodesta is. Why is this concept so hard for Browns fans to grasp? Depodesta isn't he head coach.
Even the Rams HC Sean McVay, admittedly hates walking into a Friday anal dept meeting weekly..
most 32 coaches, talk this same 'games played/called outcome percentages', BS ?, when asked in press conference's on this same subject
We do know Stef's holding a play call sheet in his hands for now......... his job, his choice?
Even the Rams HC Sean McVay, admittedly hates walking into a Friday anal dept meeting weekly..
most 32 coaches, talk this same 'games played/called outcome percentages', BS ?, when asked in press conference's on this same subject
We do know Stef's holding a play call sheet in his hands for now......... his job, his choice?
we aren’t the only ones prone to weird decisions…
I watched Brandon Staley do the analytic thing yesterday afternoon late fourth quarter. He went for it from his own 40 (his team was up by a score late in the game) he called the Eagles Bush Push or Flock of Bird $hit whatever they call it (sorry not an Iggles fan)
I wonder if analytics considered the Chargers had a backup center in the game and a QB with a heavily banged non throwing hand - he had visible signs of difficulty taking snaps.
I wonder if Tony or Mary Kay can ask the question if the analytics are modified when personnel changes. Like if the tackle is new and the other tackle is struggling with an injury is the sensible thing throwing 40 passes with most of them deep dropbacks?
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The biggest issue wasn't so much the front on the Dline itself, but when we went to gap exchange or our LB"s had to scrape against the read. They missed quite a few tackles early. Once that got cleaned up, defense started to settle in after that body shock of a 2nd qtr.
At any point, just don't say dumb shit like this. You're either oblivious to how good the Titans DEF can be, or just... I don't know - maybe it's autism.
A lot of what was done yesterday was to combat the fact that BLT showed up in quarters instead of their usual 3 deep looks. Something I didn't expect. They really took a lot of the vertical stuff and left Njoku and the RB's room to roam, even against RoQuan. Sadly, DTR went to these options way late, time and time again. Speaking of, I was getting Dairy Queen when you called, I'll get back to you later bubs.
The Jets passed early and often against the Chiefs last night. For many, that's against 'conventional' wisdom with a struggling QB. But it worked for them. Granted, Zach Wilson isn't a rookie, but he isn't good either. Chiefs ended up blitzing and man coveraged themselves into real trouble and are lucky to have won that game last night. The best way to help a young QB, is to keep him out of traditional passing situations. Especially when we consider the trouble our Oline is facing right now. Trouble that now includes Teller being a liability in straight drop pass pro. Whatever grades he has been getting for the positive, have been offset by that right there.
Browns have been top 5 every year except one, in NFL rushing attempts under Stef. The two biggest names above us are teams that use their QB's as the +1 in the running game as the great equalizer. And we currently sit at 5th in rushing attempts now as well.
So..... yeah. Hating the run would be having Austin Eckler and Justin Jackson, but only being 28th in rushing attempts.
Stroud is currently 3rd in YPA/passing. Yesterday he was just over a 50% clip. Apart from the backside RPO to Nico on the TD, most of what the Texans did was incredibly similar to what the Niners did and what the Browns tried to do, I presume you saw how many empty sets they ran? They even hit a stick/out early that DIDN"T go for a pick six. Crazy shit, huh? The differences between those 3 teams? - Check pressure rates allowed by the Oline. *hint, Browns are leading in a not-good way*. Hell, the Texans passed as much as they ran on 1st and 3rd yesterday. Wasn't like it was just "DERP, RUN". Watt was taken care of just enough to not fuck their offensive game plan.
NOTHING with this team has changed since week 1 for the positive. The Oline has become worse because of injury and diminished play from Teller. The RB situation is what it is because Chubb is out, and we just so happened to start a raw, rookie 5th round QB on top of it. Anybody expecting anything less than a physical grind of a loss was fooling themselves. I get we wanted to 'look' competitive, and we've seen young QB's have success against the Browns before, but that's generally in incredibly favorable situations. Such as having the worst DL in the NFL or having an offense that just hands the ball right back over.
What's on the coaches has continued to be on the coaches - finding higher percentage throws faster against defenses they're seeing. Not being too over-reliant or under-reliant on the screen game. Or worse, as we saw yesterday from Roquan Smith, going for the screen game on later downs when A) he's one of the best in the NFL at eaing them alive and b) it's sort of expected. That I hold against Stef. The screen game could have been more prominent on the early downs, but when that is so wrapped up in setting up success passing games off simple concepts and the timing, it's difficult to execute those screens when the routine stuff is a problem.
When the Browns win it's *coaches did good* when the Browns lose it's *FIRE EVERYBODY*. This place, and the bulk of the posters here, are no different than anywhere else.
Let me make clear though, that's not a current endorsement of Stef, Musgrave and Van Pelt. There are things they can, and I hope WILL, be doing much better.
edit: Money where my mouth was - took Browns team UNDER at 18.5 points yesterday. Let's be practical here. But I'm warning all of you, BYE week or not, I'm struggling to see any scenario where this team beats San Fran. They're healthy and right now the best team in the NFL. Just hoping for no further personnel losses and an offense that continues to build and show some progression under Watson. Right now, focus on the AFCN and securing a wild card spot. Everything else is a cherry on top. The offensive roster currently isn't ready to contend.
God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
I'm more concerned that the Steelers and Ravens exposed the Browns for being such a Charmin' soft team.
I could almost understand this team being a finesse team if they were a really intelligent team, but they show over and over that they aren't a smart team either.
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God love ya Tia for all the in depth analysis, but I’m a bottom line type of guy.
I’m specifically calling out the play calling vs the Stoolers.
Let’s look at those game stats:
Why in the hell would you have Watson drop back and pass forty times, when we were running all over them?
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
The final drop-back was the fumble for a TD. In short, the Browns didn't know the enemy and they knew themselves even less. I'm not impressed with this offense. We're gonna play SF next that has a very organized offense where there's a route receiving tree for those lining up on their perimeter. The reason that's important is because their offense is predicated on precision, timing, and chemistry. The Browns offense is governed by confusion and who are we. While we're deciding this Cleveland QBs have been playing Santa Claus to Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Maybe this modern game is passing me by. I don't get the sense that teams with offensive coaches that worked with Kyle Shanahan under his dad Mike Shanahan (ie: Sean McVay)or later just under Kyle (Mike McDaniel and Matt LaFleur) have the big time difficulty teaching and orchestrating the offense. QB Brock Purdy was the very last player drafted in 2022 out of Iowa State. As a rookie QB Purdy replaced injured starter Jimmy Garoppolo and SF won that game as well as the 8 games Purdy started thereafter. He actually accomplished this quickly enough to be THE guy ahead of SF's previous 3rd overall pick Trey Lance. He got them all the way to the NFC Championship.
Here the Browns are on offense trying to figure out who they are and where they want to go with things. How about a philosophy to -set the foundation. The Browns are better at running the ball instead of passing it. Foundation set. Now, COMMIT to it , KICKASS and watch playaction passes work once you do so.
The window is slamming down on Stefanski before he loses the team whether it's him orchestrating or Front Office Depo overstepping his bounds like our FO did back when they pissed off Kyle Shanahan when he was our OC.
Bottom line: The Offensive Coach/Coaches in charge of the design of this offense, the game planning and the play-calling is failing. How many years do we need to keep excusing the guy in charge of the offense. Schwartz just got here and they're so much further along. Our STs Coordinator just started and that's improved. When you have the right guy in charge - you improve. When you don't? Here we are complaining about the offense again. You don't say...
Hitting the nail on the head here.
Just want to add about Shanny…I watched Niners Cards and you hear a lot about Shanny’s system and play calls. It is about his players too. The Cards were allergic to the flats all game and didn’t account for CMC. So he has success and it is back to the well time and time again. He needs a big play there it is 3 and 7 he gets 9 yards. He uses his playmakers and calls on them in key situations and senses the confusion and lack of execution on the defenses part to account for the flats and the 49ers best athlete. It is not Mitchell trying to make that play - he has CMC in there knowing he can beat the defender to the edge.
I know it’s tempting sometimes for the smart guys to think of plays- throwing in a wrinkle to break tendencies but sometimes it is just about players and exploiting the opposing teams weakness to account for a player or a physical/athletic mismatch.
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I don't really blame the kid for having a bad outing his first game in the NFL against one of the better defenses. It's not like our defense would have performed up to the reputation even with a healthy Watson. But if we are calling plays it require him to take off and run this is what we get. If it's a rotator cuff time to get used to DTR.
WSS
There are no excuses in the NFL. Stefanski didn't do DTR any favors, but most of his throws weren't even in the same zip code as the receiver.
Stefanski didn't do DTR any favors, but most of his throws weren't even in the same zip code as the receiver.
Yeah, he was in way over his head yesterday.
The defense showed up to play very early on; and the home crowd was enjoying it. However, how long were they getting to rest after they stopped Baltimore?
A key point. The D was well rested and ready to go against the Titans. The offense did a good job against a pretty good D.
Chubb is out, and we just so happened to start a raw, rookie 5th round QB on top of it. Anybody expecting anything less than a physical grind of a loss was fooling themselves.
Thank you! As soon as I turned on the TV and saw our QB, I knew we were screwed and in for a long, painful afternoon.
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