Dutch's Random Ohio State Droppings
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I look forward to the next Michigan.... I mean Ohio State mega thread
What caliber of gun is being held at to your head forcing you to read it?
What caliber of gun is being held at to your head forcing you to read it?
None at all. I enjoy the Michigan mega thread
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I'm going to end this thread here, since the 2024 season is over and start a new one for all the fun new developments of the 2025 Buckeyes and Big Ten related shenanigans...
I look forward to the next Michigan.... I mean Ohio State mega thread
I look forward to the next Michigan.... I mean Ohio State mega thread
We can start a thread about the punishment that will levied against MU by the NCAA?
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2022.
The Buckeyes didn't lose in 2021 because of cheating. They got handled up front.
They lost in 2023 because of a couple early turnovers and a piss-poor season long (non) rotation along the defensive front. A giant coaching blunder.
They didn't lose this past November because of cheating. Day simply said he was going to run headfirst into a brick wall because he was stronger.
2022 is the one I really have an enormous fucking problem with. They didn't get handled along the trenches, the defense played well the entire 1st half and, apart from a couple plays, great in their run fits. The coaches had some questionable calls early as well. But even then, going back to chart plays it was pretty painfully obvious by the end of the Bucks 2nd drive, and gearing up into their 3rd drive, that fuckery was about.
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2022.
The Buckeyes didn't lose in 2021 because of cheating. They got handled up front.
They lost in 2023 because of a couple early turnovers and a piss-poor season long (non) rotation along the defensive front. A giant coaching blunder.
They didn't lose this past November because of cheating. Day simply said he was going to run headfirst into a brick wall because he was stronger.
2022 is the one I really have an enormous fucking problem with. They didn't get handled along the trenches, the defense played well the entire 1st half and, apart from a couple plays, great in their run fits. The coaches had some questionable calls early as well. But even then, going back to chart plays it was pretty painfully obvious by the end of the Bucks 2nd drive, and gearing up into their 3rd drive, that fuckery was about.
2022.
The Buckeyes didn't lose in 2021 because of cheating. They got handled up front.
They lost in 2023 because of a couple early turnovers and a piss-poor season long (non) rotation along the defensive front. A giant coaching blunder.
They didn't lose this past November because of cheating. Day simply said he was going to run headfirst into a brick wall because he was stronger.
2022 is the one I really have an enormous fucking problem with. They didn't get handled along the trenches, the defense played well the entire 1st half and, apart from a couple plays, great in their run fits. The coaches had some questionable calls early as well. But even then, going back to chart plays it was pretty painfully obvious by the end of the Bucks 2nd drive, and gearing up into their 3rd drive, that fuckery was about.
Release the manifesto
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@tiamat63 oh and this past November's game was absolutely hilarious. Maybe one of the worst coaching efforts I've ever seen. Idk what Day was thinking.
But then they got on a run and won the title so his seat's fine.
Get stuffed all game
Two minute drill of passing right down the field with all star WRs
Ok now back to running into the two best interior DL in the country
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@tiamat63 oh and this past November's game was absolutely hilarious. Maybe one of the worst coaching efforts I've ever seen. Idk what Day was thinking.
But then they got on a run and won the title so his seat's fine.
Get stuffed all game
Two minute drill of passing right down the field with all star WRs
Ok now back to running into the two best interior DL in the country
@tiamat63 oh and this past November's game was absolutely hilarious. Maybe one of the worst coaching efforts I've ever seen. Idk what Day was thinking.
But then they got on a run and won the title so his seat's fine.
Get stuffed all game
Two minute drill of passing right down the field with all star WRs
Ok now back to running into the two best interior DL in the country
Oh I know. For the first time in 20 years, I had to watch that horse abortion sober at home because we ended up having a massive, generational snowfall over the course of the holiday weekend.
Believe me the Bucks coaching staff, even in the 2022 game, didn't have their shit together. And some of their calls 2 years ago were poor. Knowles in particularly 4th quarter. I'm cautiously guarded about Day, even after a natty.
That said, I went back after the scandal broke and charted the entire first half of plays from 2022. Starting at the end of the Bucks 2nd drive, but swelling significantly at the 3rd drive; UM had some defensive calls and executions that reappear incredibly curious at minimum, but outright suspicious when pieced together looking back on it.
So either they pieced together the greatest stretch of independent defensive calls at just the right time to force field goals and punts; or there was clearly an advanced, comprehensive understanding of tOSUs offensive signal structure copied, deciphered and mastered in advance of The Game.
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@tiamat63 oh and this past November's game was absolutely hilarious. Maybe one of the worst coaching efforts I've ever seen. Idk what Day was thinking.
But then they got on a run and won the title so his seat's fine.
Get stuffed all game
Two minute drill of passing right down the field with all star WRs
Ok now back to running into the two best interior DL in the country
Oh I know. For the first time in 20 years, I had to watch that horse abortion sober at home because we ended up having a massive, generational snowfall over the course of the holiday weekend.
Believe me the Bucks coaching staff, even in the 2022 game, didn't have their shit together. And some of their calls 2 years ago were poor. Knowles in particularly 4th quarter. I'm cautiously guarded about Day, even after a natty.
That said, I went back after the scandal broke and charted the entire first half of plays from 2022. Starting at the end of the Bucks 2nd drive, but swelling significantly at the 3rd drive; UM had some defensive calls and executions that reappear incredibly curious at minimum, but outright suspicious when pieced together looking back on it.
So either they pieced together the greatest stretch of independent defensive calls at just the right time to force field goals and punts; or there was clearly an advanced, comprehensive understanding of tOSUs offensive signal structure copied, deciphered and mastered in advance of The Game.
Oh I know. For the first time in 20 years, I had to watch that horse abortion sober at home because we ended up having a massive, generational snowfall over the course of the holiday weekend.
Believe me the Bucks coaching staff, even in the 2022 game, didn't have their shit together. And some of their calls 2 years ago were poor. Knowles in particularly 4th quarter. I'm cautiously guarded about Day, even after a natty.
That said, I went back after the scandal broke and charted the entire first half of plays from 2022. Starting at the end of the Bucks 2nd drive, but swelling significantly at the 3rd drive; UM had some defensive calls and executions that reappear incredibly curious at minimum, but outright suspicious when pieced together looking back on it.
So either they pieced together the greatest stretch of independent defensive calls at just the right time to force field goals and punts; or there was clearly an advanced, comprehensive understanding of tOSUs offensive signal structure copied, deciphered and mastered in advance of The Game.
I mean, we'll agree to disagree I guess. I think Stallions is just hanging onto his 15 minutes of fame with these comments (sorta doing a Zach Smith). I also think Stallions had the right combination of neurotic, autism, obsession, etc to be perfect of sign stealing. He just stretched the boundaries.
Also, when all of this came out, we had reports of other schools, including OSU, trading with other program sign stealers to get Michigan's signs. Two of OSUs sign stealers out their Venmos on private at that time too.
Shit, OSU fans were ridiculous enough to think we hacked their catapult practice video and that's how we beat them or something.
Michigan clearly has an enemy within the NCAA, or at least Harbaugh does. The NCAA made comments on this investigation that were unprecedented / against their own rules.
Not feeling like rehashing it all, but folks that want to make a big deal about it will continue to. Especially OSU and MSU fans. It is what it is.
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Oh I know. For the first time in 20 years, I had to watch that horse abortion sober at home because we ended up having a massive, generational snowfall over the course of the holiday weekend.
Believe me the Bucks coaching staff, even in the 2022 game, didn't have their shit together. And some of their calls 2 years ago were poor. Knowles in particularly 4th quarter. I'm cautiously guarded about Day, even after a natty.
That said, I went back after the scandal broke and charted the entire first half of plays from 2022. Starting at the end of the Bucks 2nd drive, but swelling significantly at the 3rd drive; UM had some defensive calls and executions that reappear incredibly curious at minimum, but outright suspicious when pieced together looking back on it.
So either they pieced together the greatest stretch of independent defensive calls at just the right time to force field goals and punts; or there was clearly an advanced, comprehensive understanding of tOSUs offensive signal structure copied, deciphered and mastered in advance of The Game.
I mean, we'll agree to disagree I guess. I think Stallions is just hanging onto his 15 minutes of fame with these comments (sorta doing a Zach Smith). I also think Stallions had the right combination of neurotic, autism, obsession, etc to be perfect of sign stealing. He just stretched the boundaries.
Also, when all of this came out, we had reports of other schools, including OSU, trading with other program sign stealers to get Michigan's signs. Two of OSUs sign stealers out their Venmos on private at that time too.
Shit, OSU fans were ridiculous enough to think we hacked their catapult practice video and that's how we beat them or something.
Michigan clearly has an enemy within the NCAA, or at least Harbaugh does. The NCAA made comments on this investigation that were unprecedented / against their own rules.
Not feeling like rehashing it all, but folks that want to make a big deal about it will continue to. Especially OSU and MSU fans. It is what it is.
I mean, we'll agree to disagree I guess. I
There just must be a "deep state" within the NCAA, huh? Meanhile we all seemingly belong to our Cult of Emotional Appeal.
When I can piece together plays where defenders abandon assignments and play well beyond logical structure, then any professional will see it as well when they pop on tape. Not to mention Vegas' interest in covering spreads at a historic pace.
UM will get a piece of the hammer, deservedly so. Stallions is far removed from the game of football where he doesnt belong, and we can all get back to normal week 1.
Looking forward to another season.
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I mean, we'll agree to disagree I guess. I
There just must be a "deep state" within the NCAA, huh? Meanhile we all seemingly belong to our Cult of Emotional Appeal.
When I can piece together plays where defenders abandon assignments and play well beyond logical structure, then any professional will see it as well when they pop on tape. Not to mention Vegas' interest in covering spreads at a historic pace.
UM will get a piece of the hammer, deservedly so. Stallions is far removed from the game of football where he doesnt belong, and we can all get back to normal week 1.
Looking forward to another season.
There just must be a "deep state" within the NCAA, huh? Meanhile we all seemingly belong to our Cult of Emotional Appeal.
When I can piece together plays where defenders abandon assignments and play well beyond logical structure, then any professional will see it as well when they pop on tape. Not to mention Vegas' interest in covering spreads at a historic pace.
UM will get a piece of the hammer, deservedly so. Stallions is far removed from the game of football where he doesnt belong, and we can all get back to normal week 1.
Looking forward to another season.
We're all just Youngstown Boys at heart, huh?
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There just must be a "deep state" within the NCAA, huh? Meanhile we all seemingly belong to our Cult of Emotional Appeal.
When I can piece together plays where defenders abandon assignments and play well beyond logical structure, then any professional will see it as well when they pop on tape. Not to mention Vegas' interest in covering spreads at a historic pace.
UM will get a piece of the hammer, deservedly so. Stallions is far removed from the game of football where he doesnt belong, and we can all get back to normal week 1.
Looking forward to another season.
We're all just Youngstown Boys at heart, huh?
We're all just Youngstown Boys at heart, huh?
If chugging vodka in my car with a loaded AK-47 next to me is wrong, then I don't want to be right.
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CMU has received an NOA and has been under investigation re: Conner Stallions.
Interesting.
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CMU has received an NOA and has been under investigation re: Conner Stallions.
Interesting.
CMU has received an NOA and has been under investigation re: Conner Stallions.
Interesting.
This is the most interesting part of the story to me at this point. I mean, he had on a disguise and everything. Who from CMU got him out there?
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This is the most interesting part of the story to me at this point. I mean, he had on a disguise and everything. Who from CMU got him out there?
Who and why? Because he sure as hell isn't gathering info on CMU.
Which also begs another question- if he was the perfect combination of autistic, neurotic, obsessed, etc etc... why such a need for advanced scouting of signals both in person and via 3rd party?
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This is the most interesting part of the story to me at this point. I mean, he had on a disguise and everything. Who from CMU got him out there?
Who and why? Because he sure as hell isn't gathering info on CMU.
Which also begs another question- if he was the perfect combination of autistic, neurotic, obsessed, etc etc... why such a need for advanced scouting of signals both in person and via 3rd party?
Who and why? Because he sure as hell isn't gathering info on CMU.
Which also begs another question- if he was the perfect combination of autistic, neurotic, obsessed, etc etc... why such a need for advanced scouting of signals both in person and via 3rd party?
But if he was gathering info on MSU for Michigan, why would he do that by putting on a disguise and sneaking onto the CMU sidelines instead of just watching from the stands. The risk increases exponentially and if anything you have a worse vantage point. Someone on CMU had to want him there to help them decode MSU signals in real time.
They should have just colluded with other teams like OSU did to get info on Michigan's signs.
My guess is he was always looking to optimize his work, which I totally get. Sure, I could look through all 22, TV recordings, etc, and hash it all together to get the same info, or I could send my boy out with an iPhone and get the same info in one feed. Though there were reports of his deep network of highly trained spies just leaving early from games anyway.
"Need" is a strong word. This man would squeeze water from a stone if he thought it helped Michigan football. I still want the manifesto. I'd pay him for it.
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Who and why? Because he sure as hell isn't gathering info on CMU.
Which also begs another question- if he was the perfect combination of autistic, neurotic, obsessed, etc etc... why such a need for advanced scouting of signals both in person and via 3rd party?
But if he was gathering info on MSU for Michigan, why would he do that by putting on a disguise and sneaking onto the CMU sidelines instead of just watching from the stands. The risk increases exponentially and if anything you have a worse vantage point. Someone on CMU had to want him there to help them decode MSU signals in real time.
They should have just colluded with other teams like OSU did to get info on Michigan's signs.
My guess is he was always looking to optimize his work, which I totally get. Sure, I could look through all 22, TV recordings, etc, and hash it all together to get the same info, or I could send my boy out with an iPhone and get the same info in one feed. Though there were reports of his deep network of highly trained spies just leaving early from games anyway.
"Need" is a strong word. This man would squeeze water from a stone if he thought it helped Michigan football. I still want the manifesto. I'd pay him for it.
But if he was gathering info on MSU for Michigan, why would he do that by putting on a disguise and sneaking onto the CMU sidelines instead of just watching from the stands.
Quid pro quo. CMU was getting something out of it, that's why there are pictures of him talking (briefly) to others on the sideline. I would find it difficult to believe nobody would be asking "who are you?"
The risk increases exponentially and if anything you have a worse vantage point. Someone on CMU had to want him there to help them decode MSU signals in real time.
If the signal squad is directly across the field from me, I can stay in step with them laterally. If I'm in the stands across from them, it may be harder to gauge what they're doing at a distance without having a monocular or a pair of binocs. If he was in fact wearing spy shades (which given the blue light in the pictures and the fact it was a night-time game and he's the only asshole I can tell wearing sun glasses) is true, then those also likely have a depth of capture to quality range. Plus we consider fan obstructions. Stallions is what... 5'8? Unless you get front row tickets, you might have an issue that only mobility can help with.
Being on the field in CMU garb makes plenty of sense as well. Makes you far more mobile, and nobody questions why you're there documenting on field action and possibly recording. If I'm in the stands with any capture device or a notepad writing shit down, I know there will be eyes on me wondering what I'm doing.
Reminds me of a quote.
"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm. It's the last thing he'll expect"
They should have just colluded with other teams like OSU did to get info on Michigan's signs.
But this isn't about tOSU, or any other teams beyond UM and CMU, now is it?
Buckeyes had their time, and they fired Tressel along with giving a lengthy suspension to players. Tressel was rightly fired for not telling the FBI to secretly inform the NCAA of it's investigations and instead misdirected them. I understand the feds are a higher authority, but it was short-sighted decision. One I recall quite a few Michigan fans cheering, especially after beating us in 2011. That also includes the University itself fully cooperating with the resulting investigation, something UM has been less than stellar with.
My guess is he was always looking to optimize his work, which I totally get.
I'm a lucky guy for the friends and experiences I've had. One worked for the Navy in Cybersecurity. Another, my oldest friend (call him my cousin) A retired E-6 Marine, gave me some scope as to how they recon in Afghanistan for tribal intel and how regionally gathered intel was disseminated to them. ISR, I believe was their acronym.
Beyond just that, intel requires re-verification for accuracy over a certain period time. (Decay of intel)
In my previous line of work, I wrote some SOP's. In most SOPs, you either have or will build a system of improvement to the methodology. So when I see Connor on the sidelines of MSU, wearing spy shades, I see a man re-verifying the quality of his intel for a hit rate... be it whatever percentage he deems. While also gathering fresh intel on potentially new signals. It would stand to reason if MSU changed 25% of their signals, it's likely most teams would have as well. So now you have to focus on prioritizing the tiers of the 75%. Do I have formation? Route structures? Blocking assignments? Snap count? etc etc... Then logical extrapolation of the gaps and finding a way to re-gather the remaining 25% (if you can)
Gather intel. Interpret raw Data. Build a knowledge base. Maintain and expand the knowledge base while refining processes. Pretty simple strategies both in the Military and Business.
Sure, I could look through all 22, TV recordings, etc, and hash it all together to get the same info
Absolutely fucking not. I've posted all-22 NFL clips on here that you've watched before. I have large files worth of college all-22. Almost half a season worth from multiple teams. You know I have these files, because you read my work on Cedric Tillman in the early days of his rookie year. Yet you still boldly drop this line. Feels like a bit of an insult to my intelligence. You're a smart guy, but your emotional play here is trumping that intelligence.
While I might catch a few hands waves in a quick passing camera view, I will not get anywhere near enough focus to build anything close to reliable data set where I can accurately and consistently decipher signals formation to formation.
Though there were reports of his deep network of highly trained spies just leaving early from games anyway.
First off, who cares? If they were there recording at his paying behest, then it's absolutely a violation of NCAA laws. Secondly, of course they would leave some games early. Because if I'm recording shit on a phone, it's going to look really fucking weird if I hang back to continue recording a blowout while fans exit the stands.
Thirdly, to back up some of your reports, this was a line from a coach (allegedly) paid to record.
"I only did a half because it was pouring rain and they were playing UMass," the source said. "It didn't pay well enough, so I was like, 'Yeah, I'm not staying here.'"
Let's see - Umass played Penn State, in College Station Oct 2023. The reported weather, per world-weatherinfo.com on Oct. 14th was 46degress and heavy rain. The game final was Penn State 63-0.
The student section at that point would be staying. But the bulk of alumni and fans are probably getting their cold, rainy asses out of there for a late season game that was almost 35-0 at halftime.
" I still want the manifesto "
Connor is the right level of unhinged and self-assured 'genius' to warrant talk of just how it sounds like another person, maybe of a political persuasion, that you aren't a fan of (which I can't blame you) Notice how Stallions is lashing out on Twitter, talking down to seemingly everyone while telling those who will listen essentially how easy it was? He has this massive brain and I.Q. and everyone else simply doesn't.
He's an easy mental trigger, just like a fellow gent of an "orange" nature. Say something about him doing or saying something demonstratable dumb, and he'll rant to the opposite in a desperate attempt to prove himself. If you don't see the parallel's between the ears from those two, then I don't know what to tell you.
Hammer is coming. I hope it's swift, heavy and not drawn out.
But the more Stallions talks, the more obvious it looks like he's just working up a defense for what he knows is coming. That he's just tHaT sMaRt, everyone else is wrong/beneath him and this is the NCAA being a bully. Self victim tactic.
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But if he was gathering info on MSU for Michigan, why would he do that by putting on a disguise and sneaking onto the CMU sidelines instead of just watching from the stands.
Quid pro quo. CMU was getting something out of it, that's why there are pictures of him talking (briefly) to others on the sideline. I would find it difficult to believe nobody would be asking "who are you?"
The risk increases exponentially and if anything you have a worse vantage point. Someone on CMU had to want him there to help them decode MSU signals in real time.
If the signal squad is directly across the field from me, I can stay in step with them laterally. If I'm in the stands across from them, it may be harder to gauge what they're doing at a distance without having a monocular or a pair of binocs. If he was in fact wearing spy shades (which given the blue light in the pictures and the fact it was a night-time game and he's the only asshole I can tell wearing sun glasses) is true, then those also likely have a depth of capture to quality range. Plus we consider fan obstructions. Stallions is what... 5'8? Unless you get front row tickets, you might have an issue that only mobility can help with.
Being on the field in CMU garb makes plenty of sense as well. Makes you far more mobile, and nobody questions why you're there documenting on field action and possibly recording. If I'm in the stands with any capture device or a notepad writing shit down, I know there will be eyes on me wondering what I'm doing.
Reminds me of a quote.
"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm. It's the last thing he'll expect"
They should have just colluded with other teams like OSU did to get info on Michigan's signs.
But this isn't about tOSU, or any other teams beyond UM and CMU, now is it?
Buckeyes had their time, and they fired Tressel along with giving a lengthy suspension to players. Tressel was rightly fired for not telling the FBI to secretly inform the NCAA of it's investigations and instead misdirected them. I understand the feds are a higher authority, but it was short-sighted decision. One I recall quite a few Michigan fans cheering, especially after beating us in 2011. That also includes the University itself fully cooperating with the resulting investigation, something UM has been less than stellar with.
My guess is he was always looking to optimize his work, which I totally get.
I'm a lucky guy for the friends and experiences I've had. One worked for the Navy in Cybersecurity. Another, my oldest friend (call him my cousin) A retired E-6 Marine, gave me some scope as to how they recon in Afghanistan for tribal intel and how regionally gathered intel was disseminated to them. ISR, I believe was their acronym.
Beyond just that, intel requires re-verification for accuracy over a certain period time. (Decay of intel)
In my previous line of work, I wrote some SOP's. In most SOPs, you either have or will build a system of improvement to the methodology. So when I see Connor on the sidelines of MSU, wearing spy shades, I see a man re-verifying the quality of his intel for a hit rate... be it whatever percentage he deems. While also gathering fresh intel on potentially new signals. It would stand to reason if MSU changed 25% of their signals, it's likely most teams would have as well. So now you have to focus on prioritizing the tiers of the 75%. Do I have formation? Route structures? Blocking assignments? Snap count? etc etc... Then logical extrapolation of the gaps and finding a way to re-gather the remaining 25% (if you can)
Gather intel. Interpret raw Data. Build a knowledge base. Maintain and expand the knowledge base while refining processes. Pretty simple strategies both in the Military and Business.
Sure, I could look through all 22, TV recordings, etc, and hash it all together to get the same info
Absolutely fucking not. I've posted all-22 NFL clips on here that you've watched before. I have large files worth of college all-22. Almost half a season worth from multiple teams. You know I have these files, because you read my work on Cedric Tillman in the early days of his rookie year. Yet you still boldly drop this line. Feels like a bit of an insult to my intelligence. You're a smart guy, but your emotional play here is trumping that intelligence.
While I might catch a few hands waves in a quick passing camera view, I will not get anywhere near enough focus to build anything close to reliable data set where I can accurately and consistently decipher signals formation to formation.
Though there were reports of his deep network of highly trained spies just leaving early from games anyway.
First off, who cares? If they were there recording at his paying behest, then it's absolutely a violation of NCAA laws. Secondly, of course they would leave some games early. Because if I'm recording shit on a phone, it's going to look really fucking weird if I hang back to continue recording a blowout while fans exit the stands.
Thirdly, to back up some of your reports, this was a line from a coach (allegedly) paid to record.
"I only did a half because it was pouring rain and they were playing UMass," the source said. "It didn't pay well enough, so I was like, 'Yeah, I'm not staying here.'"
Let's see - Umass played Penn State, in College Station Oct 2023. The reported weather, per world-weatherinfo.com on Oct. 14th was 46degress and heavy rain. The game final was Penn State 63-0.
The student section at that point would be staying. But the bulk of alumni and fans are probably getting their cold, rainy asses out of there for a late season game that was almost 35-0 at halftime.
" I still want the manifesto "
Connor is the right level of unhinged and self-assured 'genius' to warrant talk of just how it sounds like another person, maybe of a political persuasion, that you aren't a fan of (which I can't blame you) Notice how Stallions is lashing out on Twitter, talking down to seemingly everyone while telling those who will listen essentially how easy it was? He has this massive brain and I.Q. and everyone else simply doesn't.
He's an easy mental trigger, just like a fellow gent of an "orange" nature. Say something about him doing or saying something demonstratable dumb, and he'll rant to the opposite in a desperate attempt to prove himself. If you don't see the parallel's between the ears from those two, then I don't know what to tell you.
Hammer is coming. I hope it's swift, heavy and not drawn out.
But the more Stallions talks, the more obvious it looks like he's just working up a defense for what he knows is coming. That he's just tHaT sMaRt, everyone else is wrong/beneath him and this is the NCAA being a bully. Self victim tactic.
Quid pro quo. CMU was getting something out of it, that's why there are pictures of him talking (briefly) to others on the sideline. I would find it difficult to believe nobody would be asking "who are you?"
If the signal squad is directly across the field from me, I can stay in step with them laterally. If I'm in the stands across from them, it may be harder to gauge what they're doing at a distance without having a monocular or a pair of binocs. If he was in fact wearing spy shades (which given the blue light in the pictures and the fact it was a night-time game and he's the only asshole I can tell wearing sun glasses) is true, then those also likely have a depth of capture to quality range. Plus we consider fan obstructions. Stallions is what... 5'8? Unless you get front row tickets, you might have an issue that only mobility can help with.
Being on the field in CMU garb makes plenty of sense as well. Makes you far more mobile, and nobody questions why you're there documenting on field action and possibly recording. If I'm in the stands with any capture device or a notepad writing shit down, I know there will be eyes on me wondering what I'm doing.
Reminds me of a quote.
"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm. It's the last thing he'll expect"
But this isn't about tOSU, or any other teams beyond UM and CMU, now is it?
Buckeyes had their time, and they fired Tressel along with giving a lengthy suspension to players. Tressel was rightly fired for not telling the FBI to secretly inform the NCAA of it's investigations and instead misdirected them. I understand the feds are a higher authority, but it was short-sighted decision. One I recall quite a few Michigan fans cheering, especially after beating us in 2011. That also includes the University itself fully cooperating with the resulting investigation, something UM has been less than stellar with.
I'm a lucky guy for the friends and experiences I've had. One worked for the Navy in Cybersecurity. Another, my oldest friend (call him my cousin) A retired E-6 Marine, gave me some scope as to how they recon in Afghanistan for tribal intel and how regionally gathered intel was disseminated to them. ISR, I believe was their acronym.
Beyond just that, intel requires re-verification for accuracy over a certain period time. (Decay of intel)
In my previous line of work, I wrote some SOP's. In most SOPs, you either have or will build a system of improvement to the methodology. So when I see Connor on the sidelines of MSU, wearing spy shades, I see a man re-verifying the quality of his intel for a hit rate... be it whatever percentage he deems. While also gathering fresh intel on potentially new signals. It would stand to reason if MSU changed 25% of their signals, it's likely most teams would have as well. So now you have to focus on prioritizing the tiers of the 75%. Do I have formation? Route structures? Blocking assignments? Snap count? etc etc... Then logical extrapolation of the gaps and finding a way to re-gather the remaining 25% (if you can)
Gather intel. Interpret raw Data. Build a knowledge base. Maintain and expand the knowledge base while refining processes. Pretty simple strategies both in the Military and Business.
Absolutely fucking not. I've posted all-22 NFL clips on here that you've watched before. I have large files worth of college all-22. Almost half a season worth from multiple teams. You know I have these files, because you read my work on Cedric Tillman in the early days of his rookie year. Yet you still boldly drop this line. Feels like a bit of an insult to my intelligence. You're a smart guy, but your emotional play here is trumping that intelligence.
While I might catch a few hands waves in a quick passing camera view, I will not get anywhere near enough focus to build anything close to reliable data set where I can accurately and consistently decipher signals formation to formation.
First off, who cares? If they were there recording at his paying behest, then it's absolutely a violation of NCAA laws. Secondly, of course they would leave some games early. Because if I'm recording shit on a phone, it's going to look really fucking weird if I hang back to continue recording a blowout while fans exit the stands.
Thirdly, to back up some of your reports, this was a line from a coach (allegedly) paid to record.
"I only did a half because it was pouring rain and they were playing UMass," the source said. "It didn't pay well enough, so I was like, 'Yeah, I'm not staying here.'"
Let's see - Umass played Penn State, in College Station Oct 2023. The reported weather, per world-weatherinfo.com on Oct. 14th was 46degress and heavy rain. The game final was Penn State 63-0.
The student section at that point would be staying. But the bulk of alumni and fans are probably getting their cold, rainy asses out of there for a late season game that was almost 35-0 at halftime.
Connor is the right level of unhinged and self-assured 'genius' to warrant talk of just how it sounds like another person, maybe of a political persuasion, that you aren't a fan of (which I can't blame you) Notice how Stallions is lashing out on Twitter, talking down to seemingly everyone while telling those who will listen essentially how easy it was? He has this massive brain and I.Q. and everyone else simply doesn't.
He's an easy mental trigger, just like a fellow gent of an "orange" nature. Say something about him doing or saying something demonstratable dumb, and he'll rant to the opposite in a desperate attempt to prove himself. If you don't see the parallel's between the ears from those two, then I don't know what to tell you.
Hammer is coming. I hope it's swift, heavy and not drawn out.
But the more Stallions talks, the more obvious it looks like he's just working up a defense for what he knows is coming. That he's just tHaT sMaRt, everyone else is wrong/beneath him and this is the NCAA being a bully. Self victim tactic.
Damn, this is a lot. I'm on my phone so I'll try to make each response clear
I absolutely believe CMU was getting something out of it. I question whatever Michigan would be getting out of it. Even within the context of everything he was allegedly doing.
I mean, do we think fans, in a not student section, were standing that whole game? I'm sure he could have got decent views from the sidelines. You'd think he'd be more obstructed on a sideline while trying to keep a low profile.
Again, apparently that's what his network of spies were doing. Which apparently gave so much secret info it's the singular reason why Michigan was successful. So if it was that powerful of a setup no reason to go the extra mile with the spy get up, right?
The quip was about what came out with OSU and other teams in regards to prepping for Michigan. During those weeks you'd think anything related to interpreting signs was this grand offense. Just pointing out what we know others have done. About the same week multiple OSU sign guy Venmo accounts went private.
I think the Tressel stuff has been hashed out to death. How exactly did the institution not cooperate? There was talk of Moore deleting texts from Stalions but he immediately got them back and handed over his phone when asked. Not exactly Meyer deleting texts with the Zach Smith stuff.
Yeah, I have no doubt Stalions fully obsessed over his decoding of signs and everything he could do to improve his system. Hell, there was a lot of talk about what rules Michigan even potentially broke based on the wording in the rulebook. I'm sure he was going through that with a fine tooth comb to get any advantage he could.
I don't like hearing that I'm not objective on this and it's an emotional play because of my college fandom. I come from a place of this being overblown and I've heard similar from folks in the field that spoke on this when it happened. You're more knowledgeable than me on film here so I'll leave it be.
Well, we'll see how the sanctions end. We'll see how the go at Michigan's head from the NCAA ends.
I never said I LIKED the guy. He's probably absolutely insufferable. And he's very clearly trying to ride his 15 minutes of fame on twitter. I wouldn't trust anything directly he's saying. He just wants attention. I'm saying I want the manifesto, as a Michigan and college football fan, because I'm incredibly interested in what he wrote.
We'll see if there's any hammer, especially with Pettiti pulling away, one of the biggest critics early on.
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Quid pro quo. CMU was getting something out of it, that's why there are pictures of him talking (briefly) to others on the sideline. I would find it difficult to believe nobody would be asking "who are you?"
If the signal squad is directly across the field from me, I can stay in step with them laterally. If I'm in the stands across from them, it may be harder to gauge what they're doing at a distance without having a monocular or a pair of binocs. If he was in fact wearing spy shades (which given the blue light in the pictures and the fact it was a night-time game and he's the only asshole I can tell wearing sun glasses) is true, then those also likely have a depth of capture to quality range. Plus we consider fan obstructions. Stallions is what... 5'8? Unless you get front row tickets, you might have an issue that only mobility can help with.
Being on the field in CMU garb makes plenty of sense as well. Makes you far more mobile, and nobody questions why you're there documenting on field action and possibly recording. If I'm in the stands with any capture device or a notepad writing shit down, I know there will be eyes on me wondering what I'm doing.
Reminds me of a quote.
"The closer we are to danger, the further we are from harm. It's the last thing he'll expect"
But this isn't about tOSU, or any other teams beyond UM and CMU, now is it?
Buckeyes had their time, and they fired Tressel along with giving a lengthy suspension to players. Tressel was rightly fired for not telling the FBI to secretly inform the NCAA of it's investigations and instead misdirected them. I understand the feds are a higher authority, but it was short-sighted decision. One I recall quite a few Michigan fans cheering, especially after beating us in 2011. That also includes the University itself fully cooperating with the resulting investigation, something UM has been less than stellar with.
I'm a lucky guy for the friends and experiences I've had. One worked for the Navy in Cybersecurity. Another, my oldest friend (call him my cousin) A retired E-6 Marine, gave me some scope as to how they recon in Afghanistan for tribal intel and how regionally gathered intel was disseminated to them. ISR, I believe was their acronym.
Beyond just that, intel requires re-verification for accuracy over a certain period time. (Decay of intel)
In my previous line of work, I wrote some SOP's. In most SOPs, you either have or will build a system of improvement to the methodology. So when I see Connor on the sidelines of MSU, wearing spy shades, I see a man re-verifying the quality of his intel for a hit rate... be it whatever percentage he deems. While also gathering fresh intel on potentially new signals. It would stand to reason if MSU changed 25% of their signals, it's likely most teams would have as well. So now you have to focus on prioritizing the tiers of the 75%. Do I have formation? Route structures? Blocking assignments? Snap count? etc etc... Then logical extrapolation of the gaps and finding a way to re-gather the remaining 25% (if you can)
Gather intel. Interpret raw Data. Build a knowledge base. Maintain and expand the knowledge base while refining processes. Pretty simple strategies both in the Military and Business.
Absolutely fucking not. I've posted all-22 NFL clips on here that you've watched before. I have large files worth of college all-22. Almost half a season worth from multiple teams. You know I have these files, because you read my work on Cedric Tillman in the early days of his rookie year. Yet you still boldly drop this line. Feels like a bit of an insult to my intelligence. You're a smart guy, but your emotional play here is trumping that intelligence.
While I might catch a few hands waves in a quick passing camera view, I will not get anywhere near enough focus to build anything close to reliable data set where I can accurately and consistently decipher signals formation to formation.
First off, who cares? If they were there recording at his paying behest, then it's absolutely a violation of NCAA laws. Secondly, of course they would leave some games early. Because if I'm recording shit on a phone, it's going to look really fucking weird if I hang back to continue recording a blowout while fans exit the stands.
Thirdly, to back up some of your reports, this was a line from a coach (allegedly) paid to record.
"I only did a half because it was pouring rain and they were playing UMass," the source said. "It didn't pay well enough, so I was like, 'Yeah, I'm not staying here.'"
Let's see - Umass played Penn State, in College Station Oct 2023. The reported weather, per world-weatherinfo.com on Oct. 14th was 46degress and heavy rain. The game final was Penn State 63-0.
The student section at that point would be staying. But the bulk of alumni and fans are probably getting their cold, rainy asses out of there for a late season game that was almost 35-0 at halftime.
Connor is the right level of unhinged and self-assured 'genius' to warrant talk of just how it sounds like another person, maybe of a political persuasion, that you aren't a fan of (which I can't blame you) Notice how Stallions is lashing out on Twitter, talking down to seemingly everyone while telling those who will listen essentially how easy it was? He has this massive brain and I.Q. and everyone else simply doesn't.
He's an easy mental trigger, just like a fellow gent of an "orange" nature. Say something about him doing or saying something demonstratable dumb, and he'll rant to the opposite in a desperate attempt to prove himself. If you don't see the parallel's between the ears from those two, then I don't know what to tell you.
Hammer is coming. I hope it's swift, heavy and not drawn out.
But the more Stallions talks, the more obvious it looks like he's just working up a defense for what he knows is coming. That he's just tHaT sMaRt, everyone else is wrong/beneath him and this is the NCAA being a bully. Self victim tactic.
Damn, this is a lot. I'm on my phone so I'll try to make each response clear
I absolutely believe CMU was getting something out of it. I question whatever Michigan would be getting out of it. Even within the context of everything he was allegedly doing.
I mean, do we think fans, in a not student section, were standing that whole game? I'm sure he could have got decent views from the sidelines. You'd think he'd be more obstructed on a sideline while trying to keep a low profile.
Again, apparently that's what his network of spies were doing. Which apparently gave so much secret info it's the singular reason why Michigan was successful. So if it was that powerful of a setup no reason to go the extra mile with the spy get up, right?
The quip was about what came out with OSU and other teams in regards to prepping for Michigan. During those weeks you'd think anything related to interpreting signs was this grand offense. Just pointing out what we know others have done. About the same week multiple OSU sign guy Venmo accounts went private.
I think the Tressel stuff has been hashed out to death. How exactly did the institution not cooperate? There was talk of Moore deleting texts from Stalions but he immediately got them back and handed over his phone when asked. Not exactly Meyer deleting texts with the Zach Smith stuff.
Yeah, I have no doubt Stalions fully obsessed over his decoding of signs and everything he could do to improve his system. Hell, there was a lot of talk about what rules Michigan even potentially broke based on the wording in the rulebook. I'm sure he was going through that with a fine tooth comb to get any advantage he could.
I don't like hearing that I'm not objective on this and it's an emotional play because of my college fandom. I come from a place of this being overblown and I've heard similar from folks in the field that spoke on this when it happened. You're more knowledgeable than me on film here so I'll leave it be.
Well, we'll see how the sanctions end. We'll see how the go at Michigan's head from the NCAA ends.
I never said I LIKED the guy. He's probably absolutely insufferable. And he's very clearly trying to ride his 15 minutes of fame on twitter. I wouldn't trust anything directly he's saying. He just wants attention. I'm saying I want the manifesto, as a Michigan and college football fan, because I'm incredibly interested in what he wrote.
We'll see if there's any hammer, especially with Pettiti pulling away, one of the biggest critics early on.
Damn, this is a lot. I'm on my phone so I'll try to make each response clear
Appreciate that.
I absolutely believe CMU was getting something out of it. I question whatever Michigan would be getting out of it. Even within the context of everything he was allegedly doing.
Exactly what I said they would be getting. UM's most important resource- intel verification.
I mean, do we think fans, in a not student section, were standing that whole game? I'm sure he could have got decent views from the sidelines. You'd think he'd be more obstructed on a sideline while trying to keep a low profile.
All I know is, if I had spy glasses on, I'd want to be on the field.
Again, apparently that's what his network of spies were doing. Which apparently gave so much secret info it's the singular reason why Michigan was successful. So if it was that powerful of a setup no reason to go the extra mile with the spy get up, right?
Singular? No. A large part? Yes.
Again, why not the spy get up? Increases singular efficiency per user for data collection. If the glasses capture a ton, buy a few more pair and distribute them. Then take the file, upload it to a cloud host and you have data pouring in over the weekend.
The quip was about what came out with OSU and other teams in regards to prepping for Michigan. During those weeks you'd think anything related to interpreting signs was this grand offense. Just pointing out what we know others have done. About the same week multiple OSU sign guy Venmo accounts went private.
Sign interpretation isn't an offense. But if Stallions was *that* good, then I fail to see why his services aren't needed at a higher level of football. The NFL is a meat grinder... he would be welcomed there.
OSU sign guy? Is this up there with the All-22 footage and Ryan Days brother? (All proven bogus)
I think the Tressel stuff has been hashed out to death. How exactly did the institution not cooperate? There was talk of Moore deleting texts from Stalions but he immediately got them back and handed over his phone when asked. Not exactly Meyer deleting texts with the Zach Smith stuff.
Again, why the need to reference tOSU further than what I did with Tressel? Harbaugh was not cooperative, though I do admit the NCAA set something of an unreasonable timeline on turnover date for his emails. You still have him refusing to attend hearings about the penalties for the impermissable contact during Covid, then word of coaches informing players not to speak to NCAA investigators on campus. Deleted texts are just the cherry.
Yeah, I have no doubt Stalions fully obsessed over his decoding of signs and everything he could do to improve his system. Hell, there was a lot of talk about what rules Michigan even potentially broke based on the wording in the rulebook. I'm sure he was going through that with a fine tooth comb to get any advantage he could.
Grimey. Because I highly doubt Bo Schembechler would have done such a thing.
I don't like hearing that I'm not objective on this and it's an emotional play because of my college fandom.
The all-22
Ryan Days brother
NCAA conspiracy.
No different than USC fans a decade ago. No different than what few Miami fans still exist today about the holding call in the 02' natty.
I come from a place of this being overblown and I've heard similar from folks in the field that spoke on this when it happened.
Who might those folks be?
You're more knowledgeable than me on film here so I'll leave it be.
I appreciate that. But you also know I can back up my statements. So I wouldn't say something without proof. What's concerning is 1) where you heard the accusation of all-22 having the camera angle to see signals and 2) full and well knowing that's bullshit, why did said source continue to push a factually incorrect narrative.
I never said I LIKED the guy. He's probably absolutely insufferable. And he's very clearly trying to ride his 15 minutes of fame on twitter.
Absolutely
I wouldn't trust anything directly he's saying.
Sort of like "that wasn't me on the CMU sideline" -or- "I was the only one who knew about this on the coaching staff"
He just wants attention. I'm saying I want the manifesto, as a Michigan and college football fan, because I'm incredibly interested in what he wrote.
Oh I am as well. More important, what I'm interested in is seeing coaches collectively ask themselves "how did we get to this point?" And then how we might fix it.
We'll see if there's any hammer, especially with Pettiti pulling away, one of the biggest critics early on.
I know coach speak, and Pettiti is good at it.
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Since this is the Michigan thread..
Four years probation
• $50,000 fine, plus 10% of the budget for the football program
• A fine equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition revenue sharing associated with the 2025 and 2026 football seasons
• A fine equivalent to the cost of 10% of the scholarships awarded in Michigan's football program for the 2025-26 academic year
• A 25% reduction in football official visits during the 2025-26 season
• 14-week prohibition on recruiting communications in the football program during the probation period.
The fines, including the "anticipated loss of all postseason competition revenue" for the 2025-2026 seasons, could exceed $20 million.
The committee also slapped current head coach Sherrone Moore with an additional game suspension (on top of the two already imposed by Michigan). Moore also received a two-year show-cause penalty.
The committee hammered former coach Jim Harbaugh with a 10-year show-cause penalty and hit Connor Stalions, the purported ringleader of the sign-stealing scheme, with a 8-year show-cause. Former staffer Denard Robinson was hit with a 3-year show-cause penalty, while former assistant coach Chris Partridge did not receive any penalty.
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Official NCAA release
The prescribed penalties for the parties who contested their violations in this case are as follows:
- Four years of probation.
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Financial penalties:
- $50,000 fine, plus 10% of the budget for the football program.
- A fine equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition revenue sharing associated with the 2025 and 2026 football seasons.
- A fine equivalent to the cost of 10% of the scholarships awarded in Michigan's football program for the 2025-26 academic year.
- A 25% reduction in football official visits during the 2025-26 season.
- A 14-week prohibition on recruiting communications in the football program during the probation period.
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Connor Stalions:
- An eight-year show-cause order, restricting him from all athletically related activities during the show-cause period.
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Jim Harbaugh:
- A 10-year show-cause order, restricting him from all athletically related activities during the show-cause period, which will begin on Aug. 7, 2028, at the conclusion of his four-year show-cause order from a previous case.
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Denard Robinson:
- A three-year show-cause order, restricting him from all athletically related activities during the show-cause period.
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Sherrone Moore:
- A two-year show-cause order, during which he is suspended from a total of three games. Michigan self-imposed a two-game suspension for Moore during the upcoming 2025-26 football season. The panel determined that a suspension for one additional game was appropriate. Therefore, Moore also will be suspended for the first game of the 2026-27 season. Apart from the three-game suspension, Moore is not prohibited from engaging in coaching or other athletically related activities during the show-cause period.
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