Stefanski Gone
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There are those that think the play calling improved under Rees. I didn't notice much of a difference. They both tried their trickery and jet sweeps. Perhaps Rees used those plays a little more. And of course, he was limited as to how much of the playbook was his plays. But it's certainly a possibility that Schwartz gets the HC job and that he liked what Rees was doing and keeps him as OC. I don't know what the odds would be, but it's not zero.
I hope Berry is better at picking HC's as he is at picking OLinemen.
Not having 1 decent OTackle limits the ability to play gridiron chess against teams with MUCH BETTER talent from FOs far better than Berry. You're in check all game until the final score confirms check mate. Asking an OC to try to be David Copperfield for 3 hours every Sunday is why this team averaged 4 wins these last two 17 game seasons.
Berry has sucked at understanding how to build a team. Remember a few years ago when he decided DTs weren't that important while he wanted lighter/faster LBers to cover the pass better? Consequently, opponents running at our DTs/IDL became such a gimme they didn't even bother to waste any time trying to throw at the Browns Defense. Why would they decline the forfeit upfront? In the process, it felt like we lost all the projected starting LBers to IR. That's how well that incompetent plan turned out. It's hard to believe Berry worked under Howie Roseman in Philly; because that guy set up their OL and DL extremely well. He always drafts OL and DL. He drafted RT Lane Johnson in rd 1 2013; LT Jordan Mailata in rd 7 2018; LG Landon Dickerson rd 2 2021; C Cam Jurgens rd 2 2022; RG Tyler Steen rd 3 2023, etc. Those are just the starters he drafted so we see he never NEGLECTS OL. On the DL he drafted Jordan Davis rd 1 2022; DT Jalen Carter rd 1a 2023; DE Moro Ojomo rd 7 2023; OLB Nolan Smith Jr rd 1b 2023 and these are just the starters he drafted upfront.
I would have fired Andrew Berry 1st.
Not having 1 decent OTackle limits the ability to play gridiron chess against teams with MUCH BETTER talent from FOs far better than Berry. You're in check all game until the final score confirms check mate. Asking an OC to try to be David Copperfield for 3 hours every Sunday is why this team averaged 4 wins these last two 17 game seasons.
Berry has sucked at understanding how to build a team. Remember a few years ago when he decided DTs weren't that important while he wanted lighter/faster LBers to cover the pass better? Consequently, opponents running at our DTs/IDL became such a gimme they didn't even bother to waste any time trying to throw at the Browns Defense. Why would they decline the forfeit upfront? In the process, it felt like we lost all the projected starting LBers to IR. That's how well that incompetent plan turned out. It's hard to believe Berry worked under Howie Roseman in Philly; because that guy set up their OL and DL extremely well. He always drafts OL and DL. He drafted RT Lane Johnson in rd 1 2013; LT Jordan Mailata in rd 7 2018; LG Landon Dickerson rd 2 2021; C Cam Jurgens rd 2 2022; RG Tyler Steen rd 3 2023, etc. Those are just the starters he drafted so we see he never NEGLECTS OL. On the DL he drafted Jordan Davis rd 1 2022; DT Jalen Carter rd 1a 2023; DE Moro Ojomo rd 7 2023; OLB Nolan Smith Jr rd 1b 2023 and these are just the starters he drafted upfront.
I would have fired Andrew Berry 1st.
I remember when they were high on players based on certain metrics/awards versus actual tape and scheme etc. We drafted a bunch of players who were never great, some were good, a lot weren't. I hope that the thinking based on the last draft has changed. I also agree that they need to draft OL. Now, they have in the past drafted OL, they all never really panned out. Two areas we haven't drafted well are OL and WR. Both of those position groups are very bad right now. I remember when we had Dorsey, that dude wasn't perfect, but he knows NFL talent.
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It’s an ideal situation for any coaching candidate.
We have a GM, elite defense, lots of youthful talent/draft capital, and Sanders-Watson in a competition next training camp(?)
Stefanski will do fine wherever he goes next. Berry saved himself with the 2025 draft.
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Where is John Gruden ?
He's got a great offensive mind.
Joe Thomas has been Coaching Football over seas. I wonder if he's ready to be an ideal OL Coach here for whoever the Browns hire at HC. He's certainly have some great input on what OTackle prospects can help this team. That - or we can go back to Bill Callahan.
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Where is John Gruden ?
He's got a great offensive mind.
Joe Thomas has been Coaching Football over seas. I wonder if he's ready to be an ideal OL Coach here for whoever the Browns hire at HC. He's certainly have some great input on what OTackle prospects can help this team. That - or we can go back to Bill Callahan.
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Stefanski already interviewing with Falcons, Giants, Titans.
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve." -
LOL I just thought he was just on a extended vacation with some football involved (Germany ?)
You're gonna make me research and I can't give you the DAWG ate my homework?
For 2 frosted mugs full of Stella Artois:
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
You're gonna make me research and I can't give you the DAWG ate my homework?
For 2 frosted mugs full of Stella Artois:
IMO Joe is destined for the booth. He is that good at it.
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IMO Joe is destined for the booth. He is that good at it.
That's very true! That said, it seems like he has a very strong passion to teach and pass on his tricks of the trade. Either direction he chooses to go - he'll be where he needs to be. There isn't a wrong choice IMO.
Okay @syd add 2 more frosted mugs full of beer for IBB.
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IMO Joe is destined for the booth. He is that good at it.
That's very true! That said, it seems like he has a very strong passion to teach and pass on his tricks of the trade. Either direction he chooses to go - he'll be where he needs to be. There isn't a wrong choice IMO.
Okay @syd add 2 more frosted mugs full of beer for IBB.
That's very true! That said, it seems like he has a very strong passion to teach and pass on his tricks of the trade. Either direction he chooses to go - he'll be where he needs to be. There isn't a wrong choice IMO.
Okay @syd add 2 more frosted mugs full of beer for IBB.
you will be drunk
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It is what it is. No real complaints except we kept the weasel. Berry is a weasel.
When he backed out of the bye week PC as has been held, he pushed everything over to Kevin and hid like a weasel.
Hell, he even looks like a weasel with his beady eyes. In the old days, a farmer would just trap him to protect his chicken coop, then club and skin him.
So now we get Shedufus and Berry. What a wonderful team.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
Stefanski already interviewing with Falcons, Giants, Titans.
No surprise. He was linked to the Giants.
For what it is worth if AB was fired he wouldn’t have the same interest
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Stefanski already interviewing with Falcons, Giants, Titans.
No surprise. He was linked to the Giants.
For what it is worth if AB was fired he wouldn’t have the same interest
No surprise. He was linked to the Giants.
For what it is worth if AB was fired he wouldn’t have the same interest
Very true. But we’re stuck with Berry and Jimmy
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Stefanski already interviewing with Falcons, Giants, Titans.
I still think it was a mistake
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Stefanski already interviewing with Falcons, Giants, Titans.
I still think it was a mistake
I still think it was a mistake
If they hire another no name coordinator guy then, yes, it’s a mistake
The problem is keeping Berry and the dumb hierarchy they have. With the front office setup they have, they will never attract a Big Time coach. They are stuck with young, inexperienced yes men.
No experienced head coach wants to be around the structure that the Browns have. -
The last draft surely saved Berry, otherwise he'd be out too.
As far as whether or not firing stefanski was the right move who knows, if it was me in charge I would have kept him. Not very excited about any of the candidates that have been tossed around so far.
Promoting schwartz and keeping rees would be comical, I wouldn't be surprised if schwartz himself gets some external HC interviews this year though.
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The last draft surely saved Berry, otherwise he'd be out too.
As far as whether or not firing stefanski was the right move who knows, if it was me in charge I would have kept him. Not very excited about any of the candidates that have been tossed around so far.
Promoting schwartz and keeping rees would be comical, I wouldn't be surprised if schwartz himself gets some external HC interviews this year though.
The last draft surely saved Berry, otherwise he'd be out too.
As far as whether or not firing stefanski was the right move who knows, if it was me in charge I would have kept him. Not very excited about any of the candidates that have been tossed around so far.
Promoting schwartz and keeping rees would be comical, I wouldn't be surprised if schwartz himself gets some external HC interviews this year though.
Agreed. Aside from Klint Kubiak, not too keen on the HC candidates.
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It is what it is. No real complaints except we kept the weasel. Berry is a weasel.
When he backed out of the bye week PC as has been held, he pushed everything over to Kevin and hid like a weasel.
Hell, he even looks like a weasel with his beady eyes. In the old days, a farmer would just trap him to protect his chicken coop, then club and skin him.
So now we get Shedufus and Berry. What a wonderful team.
It is what it is. No real complaints except we kept the weasel. Berry is a weasel.
When he backed out of the bye week PC as has been held, he pushed everything over to Kevin and hid like a weasel.
Hell, he even looks like a weasel with his beady eyes. In the old days, a farmer would just trap him to protect his chicken coop, then club and skin him.
So now we get Shedufus and Berry. What a wonderful team.
You mean when he chose not to do the press conference he is not required to do and no other GM in the NFL does....
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It is what it is. No real complaints except we kept the weasel. Berry is a weasel.
When he backed out of the bye week PC as has been held, he pushed everything over to Kevin and hid like a weasel.
Hell, he even looks like a weasel with his beady eyes. In the old days, a farmer would just trap him to protect his chicken coop, then club and skin him.
So now we get Shedufus and Berry. What a wonderful team.
It is what it is. No real complaints except we kept the weasel. Berry is a weasel.
When he backed out of the bye week PC as has been held, he pushed everything over to Kevin and hid like a weasel.
Hell, he even looks like a weasel with his beady eyes. In the old days, a farmer would just trap him to protect his chicken coop, then club and skin him.
So now we get Shedufus and Berry. What a wonderful team.
Yes, another episode of fire the scapegoat in Cleveland is upon us. Please stay tuned for our rinse and repeat in 3-4 years or less. Other than that - things are perfect!
Jimmy had a choice - get rid of the disease killing his team or just 1 uncomfortable symptom. He chose the symptom again. The experience of this hasn't lied to us yet.
Question: What happens if this team can't win more than 5 games again next year does Jimmy Fire the Coach again? Or, fire the GM & hire a new GM without knowing if he'll be compatible with the coach?
We're losing in the FO and it feels like the only person a million miles away from getting this is Jimmy Haslam...
Okay Jimmy - this one's for you from the Plimsouls...
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