Draft so you can win more games

[ballpeen]

@orion said:

So basically, we cannot draft the players that we need in order to win more games because they don't give change back on the #6 token used to pick the player.

You can.  It's better to draft the best players.  They help you win games.  This year, in a draft where teams don't see great value, it might make sense for the Browns to trade up from 24 since asking prices seems to be down.  Trade up to get the tackle you covet.  It couldn't cost that much to move up from 24 to mid teens.

[Flugel]

@orion said:

But not at pick #6, right?

We supposedly brought in a RT.  (who could be moved to Guard)  Gave him a big contract too.

We need a LT.  Unless you want to say that we need both.  In which case we paid a Guard, RT money.

I'm all in on that!

FWIW, after showing up extremely out of shape to 2 of 3 Training Camps predisposing Dawand Jones to 3 IR endings and 3 surgeries (albeit the last one seemed like quite an avoidable cheap shot to his knee) - Dawand Jones has his weight down to 359 lbs and he wants to get it to 350 lbs per his interview with Nathan Zegura.   During that interview Jones said he's been very committed to his post rehab/offseason strength and conditioning and he's been playing some hoops and will continue doing all of that.  When asked if the hoops was a good idea - he said something along the line like he knows how to keep out of harm's way on the court.  My guess is that means he refrains from playing defense and avoids jumping in crowds as often as possible.  Simply put - he can bring the lazy especially now that he can use it as a rational excuse.  Anyway, I heard Berry say earlier this year he was very happy to hear Jones was given a clean bill of health to play in 2026.  

Why all that?  Well, someone may think they have the rationale if they boycott LT at #6 without foresight of a strong possibility that Lomu, Freeling and other potential 1st round options at LT go before pick #24.  Low supplies for big demands in many previous drafts have triggered earlier than anticipated runs on a position where all BPA stuff goes right to the back seat.  I have read/heard all the clearer thinking from draft analysts on tv/internet that aren't put in this type of position that NFL Teams/GMs get confronted with during a time restriction loaded with distractions like other teams calling; aside from an owner like Jimmy instantaneously coming down with a light bulb moment with the QB position he has yet to understand. "There's this High School QB in Vancouver that just graduated and says he's not only ready for the NFL but he's also the son of Archie Manning's distant cousin - so giddy-up and let the pigeons loose on those phones kids!"  Meanwhile Jimmy's having severe side effects from his brand new Erectile Dysfunction drug Mycoxaflappin - not approved by the FDA but strongly endorsed by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.  

Well...  A few Right Tackles don't make a Left; but we've witnessed a lot of FO science in Cleveland so this may not be the dream but the 6'7" 325 pound LT - Caleb Tiernan from Northwestern has 43 starts (with the majority at LT) with Big 10 battle tests he experienced playing for Maryland & Northwestern. I'm thinking he goes in round 2 but wouldn't be surprised if he sneaks into the back end of round 1. Like many other Tackles in this draft - he doesn't escape the arm length scrutiny so extensive film study is required... If the Dawand Jones situation suddenly bucks trend in the right direction toward reliability - the Tiernan alternative may not be as bad as people may think. The 1 thing I am sure about is I'm not sure. 

[Orion]

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[Dutch Oven]

[gumby73]

April 15

Deadline to host draft prospect visits

This is the deadline for teams to test, visit, interview or conduct physical examinations with draft-eligible players at team facilities.

 Based on multi reporting, the Browns have brought the following in for pre-draft team 30 visits:

• OL Kayden Proctor
• OL Monroe Freeling
• OL Caleb Lomu
• WR Carnell Tate (local)
• QB Ty Simpson
• TE Oscar Delp
• TE Kenyon Sadiq
• WR Denzel Boston
• WR Germie Bernard
• WR Chris Bell
• S Emmanuel McNeil-Warren (local)
• WR Makai Lemon
• OT Markell Bell
• WR Jordyn Tyson
• DE Mason Thomas
• WR Omar Cooper Jr.
• WR KC Concepcion

[Flugel]

@dutch-oven said:

I'm hearing the Jets (w/3 1st rd picks) are the biggest threat to trade up in front of the Browns for Carnell Tate.  When Brugler was asked for an alternative LT if the Browns didn't go Tackle in round 1 - he indicated the Browns could potentially pursue Miami's Markel Taco-Bell in round 3 or 4 to develop and learn behind a starter.  Lindy's Draft projects him for round 4 prior to last minute hype surges Brugler's opinion can influence.   Should be interesting...

[Flugel]

@gumby73 said:

April 15

Deadline to host draft prospect visits

This is the deadline for teams to test, visit, interview or conduct physical examinations with draft-eligible players at team facilities.

 based on multi reporting, the Browns have brought the following in for pre-draft team 30 visits:

• OL Kayden Proctor
• OL Monroe Freeling
• OL Caleb Lomu
• WR Carnell Tate (local)
• QB Ty Simpson
• TE Oscar Delp
• TE Kenyon Sadiq
• WR Denzel Boston
• WR Germie Bernard
• WR Chris Bell
• S Emmanuel McNeil-Warren (local)
• WR Makai Lemon
• OT Markell Bell
• WR Jordyn Tyson
• DE Mason Thomas
• WR Omar Cooper Jr.
• WR KC Concepcion

Looking at that 1st guy, the Warden is going to get so sick of sleeping with the lights on that if you don't hear from me again in here - just know she had the locks on our house changed (but I'm okay)...

[TexasAg1969]

@flugel said:

Looking at that 1st guy, the Warden is going to get so sick of sleeping with the lights on that if you don't hear from me again in here - just know she had the locks on our house changed (but I'm okay)...

This is one of those times of the year when we all miss OL input from Bruce (Tour). Nobody sleeps well without his draft day opinion on what the Browns should do when they have been so poor at OL picks. ?

[Dutch Oven]

@texasag1969 said:

This is one of those times of the year when we all miss OL input from Bruce (Tour). Nobody sleeps well without his draft day opinion on what the Browns should do when they have been so poor at OL picks. ?

We’ve lost a few really good guys on here over the last few years. 
 

I can think of a few people on here that  would have much better replacements.

[SdBacker80]

@gumby73 said:

April 15

Deadline to host draft prospect visits

This is the deadline for teams to test, visit, interview or conduct physical examinations with draft-eligible players at team facilities.

 Based on multi reporting, the Browns have brought the following in for pre-draft team 30 visits:

• OL Kayden Proctor
• OL Monroe Freeling
• OL Caleb Lomu
• WR Carnell Tate (local)
• QB Ty Simpson
• TE Oscar Delp
• TE Kenyon Sadiq
• WR Denzel Boston
• WR Germie Bernard
• WR Chris Bell
• S Emmanuel McNeil-Warren (local)
• WR Makai Lemon
• OT Markell Bell
• WR Jordyn Tyson
• DE Mason Thomas
• WR Omar Cooper Jr.
• WR KC 

And probably one of these guys warrants a #6 overall pick.  They are doing their homework from 12-39. 

[Orion]

@gumby73 said:

Based on multi reporting, the Browns have brought the following in for pre-draft team 30 visits:

hmm...no Fano visit...

[Orion]

@dutch-oven said:

Fano or Tate at 6.  I'm all in on that.

[syd]

@orion said:

hmm...no Fano visit...

or blake miller

[Flugel]

@dutch-oven said:

We’ve lost a few really good guys on here over the last few years. 
 

I can think of a few people on here that  would have much better replacements.

Believe it or not, it's been going downhill since even before you arrived.  Having said that, it's been tough seeing guys like Stan, Tour, Gipper and MJP pass away.  Before that Jimmy Deetz.  It also sucks not having Zombo here; because he was a blast when he didn't have to somewhat behave as a Board Mod when Stan took it over.  Before all that in the AOL days I said I guess I gotta tone it down because I got 3 TOS violations in my 1st week.  I'll never forget Stan's response "this guy's a keeper!" 

The old board used to meet up at tailgates which included some of us out-of-state fans coming in for weekends with or without the wives or girlfriends.  Once that got going the 1st couple years the Browns were back in business - it expanded to guys coming in from the other side of the Atlantic Ocean that really knew how to party.  What could go wrong?

[Flugel]

@orion said:

hmm...no Fano visit...

He was at the Combine doing some of the drills Coached by the Browns.  I wonder if he was one of the guys the Browns interviewed in Indy. If so, the visit may not be necessary.  If not, they could be wearing the "we're not interested in him" poker face via the no visit/interview...

[tiamat63]

@orion said:

Fano or Tate at 6.  I'm all in on that.

@syd said:

or blake miller

Something worth mentioning - when putting your best 5 on the field, Tytus Howard wasn't brought in to *not be a starter.  And, to keep relative strength of the line intact, he's best suited to stay at RT. 

So either elaborate smoke screen (unlikely) or the Browns saying they're going to focus on LT's.

[calfoxwc]

so, if Dallas called, and wanted to trade up to our six pick.....

giving us their two first round picks at 12 and 20 right before the steelers pick at 21....

good idea or very bad idea to trade down?

probably not going to happen, since they don't have a second or a third round pick round pick this year, but...

[SdBacker80]

@calfoxwc said:

so, if Dallas called, and wanted to trade up to our six pick.....

giving us their two first round picks at 12 and 20 right before the steelers pick at 21....

good idea or very bad idea to trade down?

probably not going to happen, since they don't have a second or a third round pick round pick this year, but...

Good idea. And makes sense for them if they want Sonny Styles. 

12, 2nd this year and 2nd next year for 6. Gives us a slight advantage on the charts. 

[Orion]

Dallas, without a 2nd round pick, should stay right where they are and pick two 1st round players.

[calfoxwc]

@sdbacker80 said:

Good idea. And makes sense for them if they want Sonny Styles. 

12, 2nd this year and 2nd next year for 6. Gives us a slight advantage on the charts. 

I looked at the draft pick trade points chart, and their two first rounders were more than enough points for the six pick. But, the bears traded their entire draft one year, so.......lol