Jared Verse
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I’m assuming he was better than this in LA….
I’m assuming he was better than this in LA….
He hasn't recorded a sack thus far but he led the team with 6 pressures yesterday.
Yeah, we all want to see him get sacks but his presence definitely opens up things for the other D lineman.
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Verse was doing some interesting things in defensive alignments yesterday. They had him line up as a middle linebacker at one point and he crashed the LOS with a head of steam.
We’re getting contributions from guys l didn’t think would contribute that much. Isiah McGuire had a nice game.
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Verse hasn't been generating as much purely off the edge. So Coach Rut found some new ways to get him involved - mostly using him to set picks on stunts. It's a selfless job, but one he generated a few pressures on even when he isn't the 'point man' setup to do so.
He isn't prime Myles, but this front is working together collectively MUCH better these past couple weeks. The bulk of our pressures have been from the interior work. There's certainly nothing wrong with that provided we get even average play on the edge.
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I think in the first week - they were playing tentatively. New defense - interesting stuff here:
Browns’ new defensive scheme built on deception, not raw power
"For the last three seasons, the Browns ran Schwartz’s wide-nine pass rush: a traditional four-man front, elite edge talent and pressure generated by lining up and winning individual battles. It worked, largely because of Myles Garrett. Garrett is gone. Alex Wright is gone. And Rutenberg is installing a defensive system built on deception and disguise rather than raw push."
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It certainly seems that the new defense WORKS - disguise and deception keeps the offense guessing. That just seems brilliant instead of "this is what we do, we dare you to be successful". Add all that talent, it was a great defensive display.
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It certainly seems that the new defense WORKS - disguise and deception keeps the offense guessing. That just seems brilliant instead of "this is what we do, we dare you to be successful". Add all that talent, it was a great defensive display.
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I swear he was all over the place in the playoffs last year. I don't know what it is here, but they're certainly not shy about running to his side. Three total tackles yesterday.
@Orion said:
I swear he was all over the place in the playoffs last year. I don't know what it is here, but they're certainly not shy about running to his side. Three total tackles yesterday.Interesting point! FWIW, I think the problem with judging a DL solely by his stats is that it doesn't factor in what they do unselfishly like on X-stunts (often made to send the DL to occupy an area in order to put a blocker-freed LBer in ideal position to make the tackle or an easier QB pressure). An X-stunt to Verse's side has Verse crossing the face of the LT to occupy/ride that LT even further to his inside so the LBer can make the tackle at/behind the line of scrimmage to the outside. I didn't watch the Jets much last year; but rumor had it Quincy Williams was solid against the run - but had a tendency to be a liability against the pass. You put Quincy or Schwesinger in an X-stunt where they don't have to think - there's some sic em, sock em and stick em to enjoy.
I "Remember the Titans" game last year when TN took advantage of Myles only chasing the QB - it looked like TN's RB ran a 5k with the football through our defense. Myles got 1 sack but the game plan on defense was tough to watch. They never adjusted all game.
In the only game Myles played in (all 4 quarters with him playing 62% of the snaps on D) this year - here's what he did below replacing the 2 time Pro Bowl feller (Verse). It looks to me like the Rams are missing Verse more than the Browns are missing Myles (and I never thought I'd be typing something like this).
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Verse hasn't been generating as much purely off the edge. So Coach Rut found some new ways to get him involved - mostly using him to set picks on stunts. It's a selfless job, but one he generated a few pressures on even when he isn't the 'point man' setup to do so.
He isn't prime Myles, but this front is working together collectively MUCH better these past couple weeks. The bulk of our pressures have been from the interior work. There's certainly nothing wrong with that provided we get even average play on the edge.
@tiamat63 said:
Verse hasn't been generating as much purely off the edge. So Coach Rut found some new ways to get him involved - mostly using him to set picks on stunts. It's a selfless job, but one he generated a few pressures on even when he isn't the 'point man' setup to do so.
He isn't prime Myles, but this front is working together collectively MUCH better these past couple weeks. The bulk of our pressures have been from the interior work. There's certainly nothing wrong with that provided we get even average play on the edge.
I didn't realize you already brought up the stunt when I posted a little while ago. Well done T! -
@Orion said:
I swear he was all over the place in the playoffs last year. I don't know what it is here, but they're certainly not shy about running to his side. Three total tackles yesterday.Interesting point! FWIW, I think the problem with judging a DL solely by his stats is that it doesn't factor in what they do unselfishly like on X-stunts (often made to send the DL to occupy an area in order to put a blocker-freed LBer in ideal position to make the tackle or an easier QB pressure). An X-stunt to Verse's side has Verse crossing the face of the LT to occupy/ride that LT even further to his inside so the LBer can make the tackle at/behind the line of scrimmage to the outside. I didn't watch the Jets much last year; but rumor had it Quincy Williams was solid against the run - but had a tendency to be a liability against the pass. You put Quincy or Schwesinger in an X-stunt where they don't have to think - there's some sic em, sock em and stick em to enjoy.
I "Remember the Titans" game last year when TN took advantage of Myles only chasing the QB - it looked like TN's RB ran a 5k with the football through our defense. Myles got 1 sack but the game plan on defense was tough to watch. They never adjusted all game.
In the only game Myles played in (all 4 quarters with him playing 62% of the snaps on D) this year - here's what he did below replacing the 2 time Pro Bowl feller (Verse). It looks to me like the Rams are missing Verse more than the Browns are missing Myles (and I never thought I'd be typing something like this).@Flugel said:
I "Remember the Titans" game last year when TN took advantage of Myles only chasing the QB - it looked like TN's RB ran a 5k with the football through our defense. Myles got 1 sack but the game plan on defense was tough to watch. They never adjusted all game.
For Myles, the season soon evolved into 'Sacks Are The Only Thing That Matters' mentality. The team had no chance for playoffs or anything because of the Offense, but he had a good Defense around him, and a chance at immortality. (for as long as a record lasts) I noticed the way he was playing. But I didn't care. That's really all we had to root for anyway. -
@Flugel said:
I "Remember the Titans" game last year when TN took advantage of Myles only chasing the QB - it looked like TN's RB ran a 5k with the football through our defense. Myles got 1 sack but the game plan on defense was tough to watch. They never adjusted all game.
For Myles, the season soon evolved into 'Sacks Are The Only Thing That Matters' mentality. The team had no chance for playoffs or anything because of the Offense, but he had a good Defense around him, and a chance at immortality. (for as long as a record lasts) I noticed the way he was playing. But I didn't care. That's really all we had to root for anyway.@Orion said:
For Myles, the season soon evolved into 'Sacks Are The Only Thing That Matters' mentality. The team had no chance for playoffs or anything because of the Offense, but he had a good Defense around him, and a chance at immortality. (for as long as a record lasts) I noticed the way he was playing. But I didn't care. That's really all we had to root for anyway.
All true; but the timing to worry about sacks/TFLs lost from the RDE spot when the team is 3-1 seems unnecessary at this point. The Browns have only won 1 playoff game the entire time we had the best DE in the NFL (inclusive of some NFL Defensive Player of the Year honors). We all had fun with what he did last year for the reasons you mentioned. I used to set a couple TJ Watt fans + Ghoolie straight when they bellyached about Garrett's Defensive Player of the Year honors. Not only that, like our buddy Aggies applauding your response here - I also picked the Rams Defense for my fantasy football team because of him and Aaron Donald.
Unfortunately, now that Myles went to the team Verse helped win Playoff games for while making 2 Pro Bowls - Myles got off to a horrible start and even got injured late in the 2nd half. Donald is also battling injury. Mileage + wear and tear doesn't care about how much the Rams want to pay them. Aside from getting a guy that wants to be in Cleveland - the Browns will also get the Rams 1st round pick next year. it's a good time here to enjoy the pleasant surprises unfolding with the Browns on both sides of the ball. After losing Schwartz, Garrett and Bush, I never thought we'd be off to such a refreshing 3-1 start. Fun stuff!
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