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Could we mix in a 4-3?

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  • Greythan G
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    G Greythan wrote on last edited by
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    How about a front seven of:

    LE - Smith

    LT - Rogers

    RT - Williams

    RE - Wimbley

    LLB - Jackson

    MLB - Davis

    RLB - McGinnest/Hall

    With McGinnest behind Wimbley the weak side would be okay against the rush. Andra Davis seems a better fit to the 4/3 as he'd get less direct engagement from an OLineman.

    Too big of a stretch for a midseason switch, but an interesting topic.

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    • osusev O
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      O osusev wrote on last edited by
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      We would need the other smith in to put wimbley as a olb and get rid of mcginest and put in hall as the other olb with jackson or andra as the middle linebacker.

      Otherwise we pretty much are running the same personnel. But Greythan I dont think it would hurt changing up how they linup good god anything is better than what we are doing now to get consistent pressure.

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      • Masters ?
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        ? Masters wrote on last edited by
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        The basically almost run this package in their 2-4-5 dime package

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        • WPB Dawg Fan W
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          W WPB Dawg Fan wrote on last edited by
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          Personally, I want to see them bring up Pittman and try some 4/3...with Rogers/S.Smith at DT and Williams at one DE and Pittman/Leonard at the other. Rubin can rotate in at DT and Thomas can rotate in at DE to give a nice change of pace. As for LB's...DQ and Williams would be my choice at MLB, with Hall and Wimbley being the primary OLB's...spelled by McGinnest and Orr. I think that front 7 would be a bitch to run against...and would have tons of speed in the LB spot for coverage and lane clogging. Should free up the OLB's and S's on blitzes to get the QB as well.

          I had brought the 4/3 up before...and the above is what I saw. Should be interesting anyway.

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            ? Masters wrote on last edited by
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            \ said:

            How about a front seven of:

            LE - Smith

            LT - Rogers

            RT - Williams

            RE - Wimbley

            LLB - Jackson

            MLB - Davis

            RLB - McGinnest/Hall

            With McGinnest behind Wimbley the weak side would be okay against the rush. Andra Davis seems a better fit to the 4/3 as he'd get less direct engagement from an OLineman.

            Too big of a stretch for a midseason switch, but an interesting topic.

            I got to nit pick here icon_e_wink.gif the listing should be DT for both Rogers and Williams (RT and LT are O positions). icon_e_biggrin.gif

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            • DTBH DTBHD
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              DTBHD DTBH wrote on last edited by
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              The Browns do play a 4-3 quite a bit. And I'd be Wimbley would (somehow) be even less effective. Though he'd be less of a liability in the run game/pass coverage. If we did it, I'd rather see Williams at the end spot and Smith at the other tackle along with Rogers.

              Maybe Wimbley could be a Kiwanuka, Tuck type of pass rusher. Doubt it, though. He doesn't have the strength.

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                J JewDago wrote on last edited by
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                and their 2-4-5 blows goats. we need to disguise where the blitz is coming from, not let people know that our 4 down linemen are going to be the primary rushers with one possible extra blitzer coming from the inside or the slot.

                our defense has been sucking because it's become predictable. why would you want to exacerbate that?

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                • WPB Dawg Fan W
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                  W WPB Dawg Fan wrote on last edited by
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                  That's more of a change. but counts on Leonard/Pitman/Rubin to really step up their games when they are subbing in...

                  I know, but my biggest gripe about are 3-4 is actually that it is TOO DAMN BIG!!! The DL lacks side to side speed. We are basically playing 3 DT types across the line and that is why we get burned so bad when teams go outside on us.

                  If you look at all the GOOD 3-4 defenses, they have at least 1 (if not 2) guys at DE that are between 290 and 310. We have only Pitman (300), R.Smith (310) and Thomas (305) in that range...and R.Smith is on the IR...so Pitman and Thomas need to get in there. I think Pitman at 6'5" would give us a little more side to side and speed and allow us to do stunts with our OLB's in the 3-4 or the 4-3. We need to get some guys with at least a little speed on the DL...and not just straight ahead!!!

                  Baltimore has Pryce at 290 and Bannan at 310 in their starting DL!!!

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                    J JewDago wrote on last edited by
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                    corey williams is at least as fast as trevor pryce. easily.

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                    • Pumpkin Eater P
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                      P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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                      What about the UFO defense?

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                        ? Masters wrote on last edited by
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                        and their 2-4-5 blows goats. we need to disguise where the blitz is coming from, not let people know that our 4 down linemen are going to be the primary rushers with one possible extra blitzer coming from the inside or the slot.

                        our defense has been sucking because it's become predictable. why would you want to exacerbate that?

                        No kidding it does. You always know its the two DT and the two OLBs coming. I have success with that formation on Madden, but then again, I mix up my blitz. Maybe I should show RAC and Tucker.. icon_lol.gif

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                          ? Masters wrote on last edited by
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                          Gee nice discussion of an option for the defense here, and yet Stan/Lums is no where to be found.

                          But we're the ones that don't want to concentrate on the rest of the team...

                          Don't forget OSUSEV. Wouldn't want him to feel left out icon_twisted.gif

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                            ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                            We do....when we face 3 receivers, we really do play a 4-3...

                            Romeo is a tool.

                            When teams bring in 3 receivers, we go nickle...take out the beef along the line and play a 4-3....then teams run.

                            It isn't the 3-4....switching to a 4-3 won't do anything.....It is Romeo. Until we change that, it is always going to be something with this bunch.

                            If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                              ? Masters wrote on last edited by
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                              We do....when we face 3 receivers, we really do play a 4-3...

                              Romeo is a tool.

                              When teams bring in 3 receivers, we go nickle...take out the beef along the line and play a 4-3....then teams run.

                              It isn't the 3-4....switching to a 4-3 won't do anything.....It is Romeo. Until we change that, it is always going to be something with this bunch.

                              You nailed it.

                              On the line, it isn't even just the beef missing. They seem to always have the DEs trying to come off the edge as rushers, which just makes it so easy to run between the G and T.

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                                ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                                Don't remind me.

                                Wimbly totally sucks at every aspect of the game. It ticks me off.

                                Really....what is the difference between Wimp and David McMillian??

                                Nothing except the name.

                                If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                  ? Masters wrote on last edited by
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                                  Don't remind me.

                                  Wimbly totally sucks at every aspect of the game. It ticks me off.

                                  Really....what is the difference between Wimp and David McMillian??

                                  Nothing except the name.

                                  I would say Thompson, but I guess it would be the same point.

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                                    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                                    OK...Chumpson is a good comparison.

                                    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                                      Riffer XR Riffer X wrote on last edited by
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                                      \ said:

                                      We do....when we face 3 receivers, we really do play a 4-3...

                                      Romeo is a tool.

                                      When teams bring in 3 receivers, we go nickle...take out the beef along the line and play a 4-3....then teams run.

                                      It isn't the 3-4....switching to a 4-3 won't do anything.....It is Romeo. Until we change that, it is always going to be something with this bunch.

                                      Bingo Peens, and you also are correct about Kam, he sucks at every aspect of the game, especially open field tackling.

                                      Is a pig's ass pork?
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                                        J JewDago wrote on last edited by
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                                        how did he have any success at all his rookie year? wtf was that?

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                                          ? AdaM wrote on last edited by
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                                          3 options:

                                          A) Kam forgot how to play football.

                                          😎 Our "coaches" "coached" him to play how he is.

                                          -Use of quotations signifies the terms are used very loosely.

                                          C) He only has one move and watching 5 minutes of tape fully prepares anyone on the opposing team to make him a non-factor.

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