Qb Comparison against the same team
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Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Diehard I dont think Anderson was playing good by any means but than again neither was the rest of the offensive team. Looking at the sample games against the same team Anderson at this point demonstrates the offense is more productive with him on the field versus Quinn. We will see after the Pittsburgh game which statistically against the same teams in the same year how the production of the offense both as a unit and individuals compare.
I still hold to the position that Quinn is not an NFL level starting QB and that he hurts our entire team both in terms on not being able to sustain drives and his tendancy because of his accuracy and arm strengh
(not the long bombs but the 15-30 yard tight throws) that he hurts our offensive production in rushing and passing.
Diehard I dont think Anderson was playing good by any means but than again neither was the rest of the offensive team. Looking at the sample games against the same team Anderson at this point demonstrates the offense is more productive with him on the field versus Quinn. We will see after the Pittsburgh game which statistically against the same teams in the same year how the production of the offense both as a unit and individuals compare.
I still hold to the position that Quinn is not an NFL level starting QB and that he hurts our entire team both in terms on not being able to sustain drives and his tendancy because of his accuracy and arm strengh
(not the long bombs but the 15-30 yard tight throws) that he hurts our offensive production in rushing and passing.
Quinn didn't play well today....no doubt about it. But, if DA never plays another game here, it will be too soon. At the brginning of the season, I had no preference between the 2, and Quinn can be very frustrating to watch, but it was pure torture watching DA try to throw......if he comes back in, I won't be watching. I'd sooner see the third stringer play.
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The only positive I gathered from today's game was that we threw 0 interceptions. We're not near good enough to turn the ball over, and the less times we do it the better. I'm still not happy with Quinn in the least, but I would much rather have him in the pocket than Anderson. I love DA, and I hope he does well, but I am tired of seeing him flounder around and then throw into triple coverage for an INT. I think Quinn is progressing,this is essentially his rookie year. For all of you who say he's been in NFL practice for three years now, remember, he's been practicing with us. That's hardly what I consider "game-speed".
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The QB IS, Always was and ALWAYS will be THE most important position on a football team.
Manning would have won this game, as would have Brady, and Big Ben. How many times do you people have to see proof of this to finally wake up?
Back in the day, fans were saying the same thing about the stinky Mike Phipps era Browns Blame went to the OL, the Rbs, WRs and coaches. Enter Brian Sipe.............1976, Same OL, Same EVERYTHING......... except the results. Sipe's Browns went 9 -5.
Back in the day people were blaming the same bullshit for why Kosar sucked so bad. Enter vinny Testeverde and WHAM, the Belichik Browns became one of the most potent offenses in the NFL.
Bill Cowher couldn't do shit UNTIL he got a QB.
Would Peyton make this a SB team? No, but he would capitalize on all the opportunitites we watch Quinn and Andersen fail at week after week after week.
The Browns DO stink, and have for far too long. Andersen and Quinn are garbage. The Browns need to draft or sign a FA QB as their absolute top priority.
Emotional motivation has a lot to do with whether an organization succeeds or not. NOBODY wants to play in Cleveland. NOBODY is going to be pumped with either of these two xxxxtards inder center. FA's don't want to come here and neither do top coaching prospects.
If QB is not job one then the Browns will not ever even be an 8-8 team again.
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Oh and before anyone starts..........dropped passes are not an excuse. Browns have been dropping passes all year.
Oh and before anyone starts..........dropped passes are not an excuse. Browns have been dropping passes all year.
NOOOoooooo, it's just that Quinn throws the ball too hard.
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Where are all the BQ lovers from last week? Do you admit now that we should ship bouth Quinn and Anderson off to a third world country?
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Yesterday was the third best game Anderson has had all year, maybe fourth. the more quinn plays, the better DA looks.
I notice one thing when quinn is in dink-n-dunk mode, and that is our running game is greatly diminished by it as well.
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Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Love both stories but figure this into effect DA got benched for leading the team in tds and still for his career has more TDs than picks
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Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Love both stories but figure this into effect DA got benched for leading the team in tds and still for his career has more TDs than picks
Love both stories but figure this into effect DA got benched for leading the team in tds and still for his career has more TDs than picks
That's not why he got benched...
He got benched for a 15 for a QB rating this year.
And that was after how many starts?
Maybe BQ isn't the answer, but DA was putrid.
No offense, but what the hell is the matter with you?
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Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Quinn should be sweeping that car lot for DA...
He Sucks way More!!!!
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Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Quinn should be sweeping that car lot for DA...
He Sucks way More!!!!
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Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
Team first downs 11 team first downs 22
third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395
total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals
top 21:49 top 38:55
Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers
6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing
team first downs 12 team first downs 12
169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)
total net yards 255 total net yards 197
final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers
top 29:15 top 23:14
so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season
Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints
total team first down 23 total team first downs 34
total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269
total net yards 424 total net yards 592
total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34
total top 51:04 total top 62:09
opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36
quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)
Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)
Anderson is + 11 total team first downs
anderson is + +52 total team rushing
Anderson is + 168 total team net yards
Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points
Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP
I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.
MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.
However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.
I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.
However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.
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Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
Team first downs 11 team first downs 22
third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395
total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals
top 21:49 top 38:55
Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers
6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing
team first downs 12 team first downs 12
169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)
total net yards 255 total net yards 197
final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers
top 29:15 top 23:14
so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season
Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints
total team first down 23 total team first downs 34
total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269
total net yards 424 total net yards 592
total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34
total top 51:04 total top 62:09
opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36
quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)
Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)
Anderson is + 11 total team first downs
anderson is + +52 total team rushing
Anderson is + 168 total team net yards
Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points
Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP
I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.
MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.
However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.
I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.
However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.
Quinn vs the Bengals Anderson vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage 26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
Team first downs 11 team first downs 22
third down efficiency 28% 4/14 third down efficiency 31% 6/19
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn) total net yards 395
total net yards 169 144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 16-7 Bengals final score 23-20 Bengals
top 21:49 top 38:55
Quinn VS the Steelers anderson vs the Steelers
6 of 19 90 yards no passing tds 31.6% completion, 2yards rushing 9 of 24 122 yards 1 passing td 1 int 37.5% comp rating -1 rushing
team first downs 12 team first downs 12
169 yards rushing (+2 from quinn) 125 yards rushing (-1 from quinn)
total net yards 255 total net yards 197
final score 13-6 Browns final score 27-14 Steelers
top 29:15 top 23:14
so both qbs blended figures vs the same team in the same season
Quinn 21 of 53 39.6% comp rating 1 passing td 1 rushing td 0 ints Anderson 35 of 72 48.6% comp rating 2 passing tds 1 rushing td 2 ints
total team first down 23 total team first downs 34
total team rushing 217 total team rushing 269
total net yards 424 total net yards 592
total offensive points 20 total offensive points 34
total top 51:04 total top 62:09
opposition total scoring 22 opposition scoring 50 (-14 turnovers) +36
quinn offensive scoring to opposing team scoring factor (-2)
Anderson "" "" """ "" "" (-16)
Anderson is + 11 total team first downs
anderson is + +52 total team rushing
Anderson is + 168 total team net yards
Anderson is + 14 in total team offensive points
Anderson is + 11:05 total team TOP
I was really looking forward to this game because it is rare to be able to compare two competing qbs against the same team in the same season against the same teams with basically the same skill players.
MY findings (opinion) is that IF we have a good defensive team I would rather have Quinn at qb who is weaker at leading the team offensively but does not throw the ints as much as DA.
However DA is definately a better offensive leader and the team does better offensively with him and will score more, so IF the defense is lacking I would rather much have DA at qb.
I think next year we will definately get better with higher quality defensive players being added and probably more skill players. I would rather have Quinn at the helm because I think IF we get better skill players while he may never be a good offensive threat he will make less mistakes and we rely on defense and our rushing attack.
However IF his offensive numbers keep consistent with his trends this year than DA is a much better option even with his mistakes offensively.
DA will be gone after the season. Quinn is in for the long term.
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that totally MIGHT be the case but it hard to tell with the Mangini regime and we dont know who the football czar is yet..... and what they might be comparing and reviewing versus leveraging for either trades, free agency and the draft...... you never really know. Quinn is not exactly lighting things up consistently and more often he is underwhelming in total offensive numbers for both the team and himself. wierder things have happened.
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I'd argue that the weather also plays a big part in those as well. . . last night's game conditions were brutal!
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Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
Quinn vs the Bengals
15 of 34 100 yards no passing tds 1 rushing td 44% completion percentage
Team first downs 11
thrid down efficiency 28% 4/14
48 yards rushing (+10 yards rushing by quinn)
total net yards 169
final score 16-7 Bengals
top 21:49
Anderson vs the Bengals
26 of 48 269 yards 1 passing td 1 rushing td 1 interception 54% completion percentage
team first downs 22
third down efficiency 31% 6/19
total net yards 395
144 yards rushing (+2 yards rushing by anderson)
final score 23-20 Bengals
top 38:55
We do need playmakers but it is clear to me that the QB position regardless of who is the qb is NOT the most detrimental. Anderson was horrible but so was the entire offensive team and playcalling. This game and the one against pittsburgh in two weeks are good comparison samples against the same exact team within the year the team can see who is better to lead the team next year offensively.
are you kidding right now i sure hope so because you dont sound very smart...Anderson has a decent game against a team that quinn had a sub-par game and all of a sudden anderson is a pro bowl QB again.....C'mon man u dont even give the kid a chance he has started what 10 games. If you really want lets look at the TD/INT ratio Anderson 2TDs/8 Ints Quinn 8Tds 5 Ints none in the last four. So guess what quinn is our guy....we dont need someone who in 5 games has 8 ints.
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Quinn's performance against the Steelers in Cleveland is definitely affected by the weather, just look at Anderson's stats in his win @Buffalo.
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Anderson should be selling cars in Oregon. He sucks.
Diehard I dont think Anderson was playing good by any means but than again neither was the rest of the offensive team. Looking at the sample games against the same team Anderson at this point demonstrates the offense is more productive with him on the field versus Quinn. We will see after the Pittsburgh game which statistically against the same teams in the same year how the production of the offense both as a unit and individuals compare.
I still hold to the position that Quinn is not an NFL level starting QB and that he hurts our entire team both in terms on not being able to sustain drives and his tendancy because of his accuracy and arm strengh
(not the long bombs but the 15-30 yard tight throws) that he hurts our offensive production in rushing and passing.
Diehard I dont think Anderson was playing good by any means but than again neither was the rest of the offensive team. Looking at the sample games against the same team Anderson at this point demonstrates the offense is more productive with him on the field versus Quinn. We will see after the Pittsburgh game which statistically against the same teams in the same year how the production of the offense both as a unit and individuals compare.
I still hold to the position that Quinn is not an NFL level starting QB and that he hurts our entire team both in terms on not being able to sustain drives and his tendancy because of his accuracy and arm strengh
(not the long bombs but the 15-30 yard tight throws) that he hurts our offensive production in rushing and passing.
Brady won against the Steelers and Anderson didn't.. suck on that
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wow quite interesting comments, quinn is NOT a good qb right now.... his accuracy has been consistently bad, his mid arm strength and accuracy is POOR.... his much vaunted completion rate is LOWER than DA and so are ALL of his overall numbers.... DA is definately a risk taker that cost us turnovers....
The numbers of them against the same two teams in the same season are what they are....Quinn has put in these numbers quite a few times just deal with it. I dont have a problem with him as qb.... the defense won against the steelers NOT quinn get over it. I dont care we won but the position is far from stable.
DA is better offensively regardless of how you want to spin it the numbers agains the same teams twice in the same season are what they are.
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