Not to mention the... (I'm naught gonna do it) ? WSS

@unsympathetic said: So let's first define the problem:  What, precisely, makes bad calls "more" this season than before? Precisely how is a call defined as "bad"? Who makes that determination? What's the numerator and denominator of the metric used to track this?  It won't be "zero bad calls" - that's never a thing, because if you want a game you're going to have refs. What's the rate of this metric you're comfortable with?  What's the variance from season to season?  it's never going to be precisely equivalent from year to year whether politicians are involved or not. You do realize that officiating has been "egregious" the entire history of the game, right? I think the entire goal of this thread was to demonstrate fake outrage, a lack of understanding of the game, and a lack of desire to actually change anything. I think I can speak for a lot of people by saying it’s not the fact that the refs have made horrible calls.  It’s the fact that it is lopsided for certain teams and against others.  Simple put the shit is not spread evenly.

@mjp28 said: Oh but I just love those consipiracy behind every rock folks......so entertaining......if it isn't the BROWNS it's postage stamp costs or no free parking or Bigfoot or who killed JFK it's something. They just need it I guess so much more fun for THEM to blame NFL, Inc. than the BROWNS organization.........I guess.   Maybe I'll write a book on it. "The Conspiracy Guide to Conspiracies, Vol.I".  It should sell well.     why the heyl would anybody blame the Browns when it happens in other games. Like Hoorta just mentioned - the Giants-Cowboys game just last night. and, it's referee history, they didn't whistle play to stop, and the Browns ran another quick play and spiked the ball. : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottlegate Events of the play The Cleveland Browns were in a position to get an unlikely playoffs spot at 6–6, but most likely needed to win the 4 remaining games of the season to do so. However, they were down 15–10 with 1:08 remaining in the game, and were faced with a 4th and 2 at the Jaguars 12 yard line. They had to try to convert, or else the Jaguars would simply kneel the ball twice and end the game. Quarterback Tim Couch took the snap and passed it short to wide receiver Quincy Morgan, who appeared to bobble the ball after a 3 yard gain, but the referees called it a completed pass. Couch wasted no time hurrying the offense to the line and spiked the ball with :48 remaining. The refs looked as though they were reviewing a fake spike, a penalty that would take 10 seconds off the board, but Cleveland would still have the ball. While preparing for the next play, referee Terry McAulay announced that the officials would review the 4th down conversion, even though the NFL rules stipulate that a play cannot be reviewed after another play has been completed. After an instant replay review, the officials confirmed that the pass was not completed and, as a result, the Jaguars would take possession of the football.[3][4][5]

@jiggins7919 said: I could see our strange team somehow playing their best game and beating the Patriots, or I can see us losing 40-0.   The only  way the Browns  are losing  40-0 is if we have a  repeat  turnover  fest.

@hoorta said: PS- the Lions already got at least one apology for the wrong hands to the face, I think they're due another one for the missed PI. If that isn't PI according to the league, it's open season on mugging WRs.   that was wasn't "missed", imho. All the action is right there, ball going there. You know they are looking right at the play on the ball. and intentionally ignored the pi. I would suggest that the Patriots seem to never have these things be a major obvious problem....

@hoorta said: And for the young 'uns we should tell them the true story of the Dawg House parked in front of the Dawg Pound at the old stadium. It was a very nice looking Dawg House BTW, but I couldn't find a picture of it. Was there for years at every game, until one of the stadium cops noticed it took four guys to bring it in, but only two guys to carry it out. Seems the house had a keg of beer inside.    I bet BK was leading the team the last time you ate a milkbone. I know I haven’t tasted one since then myself.  And you younger fans.....you could not watch a Browns game without a box of Dawg treats around. Milkbone seemed to be most popular. Kinda bland but go well with beer and Browns wins.  Oh ya, when it comes to the 80s, we did win more  reg season games than anyone.   And remember pups, a milkbone a day keeps the dentist away?

8 team won playoff. Big 5 conference champs  3 at large bids At large bids go by top ranked non-conference winner AP poll

@the-gipper said: But talent is NOT the problem Gip. Every year you guys say the same schidt, bro. EVERYONE HERE, save me called Cam Erving a turnstile. And here he is playing just fine for KC. It isn't the talent level bro, it is the system. I don't know really if he is playing fine.   I think it is just a matter of that team winning...so he looks better But if what you say is true, then that is an indictment on Dorsey, is it not? No, because Dorsey had 9000 other things he had to try to address.....many of which he did.  When OL becomes a priority, I think Dorsey will make proper moves This is why I see Dorsey as being another jackoff blowhard. He may indeed have some skills at drafting, but he hasn't hit any higher % than those who came before him. Really?  You want to equate Ward and Mayfield with Gilbert and Manziel?   Or Mayfield and Chubb with  Richardson and Weeden? Or Antonio Calloway with Vince Mayle (both 4th rounders) Plus, he has let go of a lot of players who are doing well elsewhere. It isn't the talent, man. It is Haslam, it is the lack of leadership and discipline. Such as who?   The only one really that he let go that I am not really happy with is Nassib. Certainly you are not unhappy about letting Corey Coleman go and trading DeShone Kizer. As far as Haslam is concerned....as owner, he is only as good as the people he hires..(and absolutely that has been a problem) Quoting Ghoolie ^^^^   But lets not forget guys like Alex Mack and Phil Dawson (who's still kicking FGs BTW) got tired of the losing, and didn't want to be here. Sashi mistakenly tried to nickel and dime guys like Schwartz and a few others. Regarding Gordon- Can't remember who posted it, but it just might be- Josh pulled a Keven Durant move to get away from the losing to play on a winner.  Sorry Ghoolie- that jackoff blowhard Dorsey essentially built those 7-1 Chiefs into the team they are today. trading up for Mahomes, and getting guys like Tyreek Hill.  PS, cut the Saquon Barkley crap- he's made as much difference to the Giants so far in the win column as future HOFer Joe Thomas made for the Browns.  Gip I agree, there were so many holes left on the Browns post Sashi Brown, Dorsey couldn't possibly fix them all in one draft. He hit on three of his first four picks, too early to say about Corbett. Adding guys who are actually playing- and contributing- like Callaway, Avery, and Ratley. In my book, that' s a spectacular draft.  Too many guys here got playoff fever too soon after winning a couple of games. You don't go 0-16 with a ton of talent that's badly coached. Regarding Huey- that was a shotgun marriage forced on Big John (by Haslam) that had a 95%+ probability of turning out badly. Credit Dorsey for cutting the losses, getting rid of coaching crap.  For the record, It took the Lions three seasons to go from 0-16 to the playoffs. We're already ahead of their 2-14 the season after. 

Today I watched the game with family at a party, most of which are Miami, Oakland, or stillers fans.  Watching the game I heard more than once wow that was a bad call and many of them saying, man the refs really have it out for the browns they have been screwed all year, and the Oakland fans saying with a smile yeah they got screwed against us.  So my point is it’s not just browns fans noticing this.  Hue grow a set and speak up don’t leave it to your players.... oh and another Fales start not called in worked out this time. 

@7moses7 said: This team isn’t winning this year let’s be honest, T Rod should be traded because he’s walking away when the season is over. Let’s see a trade for a receiver and or pick or picks so who do we bring in the candy fetcher ?

@footballfan said: Dez is mis-playing his value and his timing is questionable.  There will be many more choices available after the cut down to the 53 man roster on September 1.    That's pretty much what Terry Pluto wrote in his article, check it out. Plus these guys are still offered big bucks for still being unsigned.  . Before Thursday's game, I was told by an NFL executive (not from the Browns) that the Browns offered Dez Bryant "a pretty good contract."Profootballtalk's Mike Florio reported it was "less than $5 million." My view is $5 million is plenty for a guy who is known for his attitude problems and still out of work with the season only a few weeks away. 6. Bryant hesitating to sign after spending nearly two days in Cleveland is a clear message: He doesn't want to play here. The last thing the Browns need is another Kenny Britt (recently cut by New England) or Dwayne Bowe, veteran receivers who signed here and immediately showed little interest in reviving their careers with the Browns.........

Does anyone here care what "fan boys" have to say? This is Taylor's team until he doesnt start. 

@mjp28 said: OK with 10 hours to go and the always accurate absentee ballots pretty much unanimous can we call this thing?  I just wish it showed the voters names. And now who's the #4 pick? 1. Who WILL the Browns draft with the #1 pick Sam Darnold 23......with 23 of the 36 precincts reporting TBB declares Darnold the Cleveland Browns #1 pick Saquon Barkley 2.....those same two diehards Josh Allen 3 Baker Mayfield 7......hmmmmm, the longshot hopeful? Bradley Chubb 0......no love for the Chubb Josh Rosen 1 Trade out 0 Other 0 Meet the TBB panel of experts:  🥷 and 

Zombo said: Well, he's from the Bronx, soo... Hey, if the Giants take him at #2, good for the Giants, good for Barkley ... Not bad for the Browns. That leaves one of the Top 3 QBs on the board when we are at bat and we control the market. We could theoritically trade down for more draft collateral and still get Chubb who could be our BPA all along... Zombo It's all smoke and mirrors from here on out to draft night. They are all playing the silly season game trying to outfox all the guessers from rival draft teams.

Aside: Saw Little Charlie once years ago at The Mucky Duck in Houston... fun evening.

I think I would rather hang out at an all night dentist 

They better not trade down.  

@londonbrown said: For the Browns obviously not the draft?  The Browns second pick IS the 4th overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft.

Fact of the matter is the line is over paid and under performed.  The stats don't lie there bad. Just cause you make a lot does not mean your good.  It's shows poor management, and Joe Thomas is not a top ten left tackle anymore.  The qb sucks we all know that. with more time he would be better but the sheer number of red zone ints shows the game is to fast and poor decision making.  The comments made about baker worry me as it sounds like another trade down coming.  The running backs are serviceable.  But as I said before with Gordon on the field the whole offense is better.  Colman is free to run with single coverage and the back have room to run with him dragging a safety out of the box. The front seven look great top 6 that's something to hang your hat on and as far as the secondary is young and yes there not trusted but that is to be expected.  And I believe hue should get another year from every account I have heard hue has not got any of the players he wanted and his direction for the team did not match that of the front office.  I do believe Haslem and hue have a good relationship.