@tiamat63 said:

Who gives two shits then?   You?   Why bother?    

What if he/she...TF ever actually benefits this coaching staff and becomes something of an invaluable resource?     

Call me old fashion, I tend to focus on the shit that actually matters to what the subject is at hand.

I’m skeptical that she was the best available option. If we win after all of this then I don’t care obviously. But it seems to me Stefanski is trying to construct a “progressive” staff instead of actually trying to assemble the best football minds available. 
 

at least she’s unfuckable with that haircut and voice so she won’t be a locker room distraction I guess. 

@dutch-oven said:

This thread's evolution is fascinating, especially considering calfox.

It starts with him obviously faking some confusion, to make a thinly veiled joke about a woman who looks "guyish".... but then his Browns RAH-RAH homerism kicked in, and HE LOVES THIS MOVE, IT IS OBVIOUSLY BRILLIANT! 

Of course, the usual suspects have to frantically scroll their mouse over Confederate flag mouse pad on their 12 year old PC to RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE all over this thread, because their tender, masculine sensibilities have been ruffled. 

Tia's bitch slap of cal is the cherry on top of Tour summing up the situation nicely. 

Posting for the first time in years from my iPhone 11 Pro actually, and my pc is two years old. 
 

sorry I just don’t want a freak weirdo on my team that takes male hormones. Mark my words but I guarantee that this woman eventually comes out as a female to male trans. 

Okay I’m fine with them hiring a woman in staff but couldn’t they pick someone who actually looks and sounds like a woman? Seriously I listened to an interview of this “girl” and all I could think is how it’s a girl taking male hormones because she completely sounded like a guy. So great, we hired a trans man basically. 
 

Fuck all of that progressive bullshit, I just wanna win some football games. 

at least when we had Mangini we were the least penalized team. penalties are killing this team. we just look undisciplined.

the Browns can never just get it right with a freaking QB. every year is the same? more like every decade since 1999 is the same.

Hopefully he looks more like he did last year than he did in this preseason.

I don't think I've ever gotten bad vibes from a draft pick before they even played. Cocaine leaves your system pretty fast so it's hard to find in a drug test, would not doubt for a second that's what he was doing.

Media bs or not Manziel is being a fucktard by feeding the media more material, no way this sits well with team mates that Johnny Cokehead is the qb.

Here's hoping Hoyer excels so Manziel doesn't play the first year.

@browni8878 said:

i still cant stand this pick, o well

I can understand if you said this if we picked at 4th overall or 8th overall, but at 22nd he is a good pick objectively.

@vaportrail said:

No, I'm not saying to drop the color brown from the uniform. I'm just saying the color brown isn't appealing to most people. You even heard Pettine mention the colors as a reason his daughter was pissed that he got hired by Cleveland. I don't have a problem with the current unis, and I think the modern trends are pretty bad. If it's anything like Tampa, I'll puke.

They can keep it without using it as the primary color for merchandise. Merchandise wise just use grey/silver white orange and a bit of brown and it's fine.

It's when there's a brown background with other colors being the foreground where it looks silly. Brown is a good color when utilized correctly (brown jersey on top of white pants looks great).

They should keep the brown top jersey at least, I'm fine with it no longer being a primary color but a color nonetheless.

Gordon proved he can have anyone throw to him and still be the best WR. Draft Bortles or Manziel is what I think.

miktoxic I stated the same thing as you, that the helmet will remain logoless. Haslam has said that too, however they are open to getting a new main logo which will be on merchandise and the official likeness of the Browns. The helmet logo which is currently our main would become an alternate.

I think adding silver to the color scheme would be good. I think they also want an official logo but the helmet will remain logoless and will also be the alternate logo.

Whoever they get as OC is really important since they'll actually be calling the plays. Don't think I want Cam Cameron.

Bortles is a beast looking like Brees, not sure if I want him or Manziel more, but I definitely want both over Bridgewater.

Bridgewater makes nice plays but I don't like his mechanics as much and it looks like he'll get picked off a lot in the NFL.

if the browns ever trade him I'm done with this team, josh gordon on any decent team right now is like a free trip to the super bowl. get a good second WR, a QB (maybe we stick with Hoyer), some other bits and pieces and the browns will be unstoppable on offense.

He could very well be the best WR in the NFL right now.

@shep said:

A good OL isn't all about high draft picks, though. It's a unit in the truest sense of the word, more than anywhere else on the field. Five guys playing together. Coaching, continuity, and getting the right guys for the right system are key. Some of the best teams in the NFL field lines full of no-names and UDFAs. Last year when Tampa was running all over the place AND passing pretty well? Two UDFA starters and no high draft picks.

The best thing that can happen to a line besides the above is a quarterback who gets the ball out. Everybody who plays in front of Peyton, Brees, Brady, and Rodgers looks like a great pass blocker. We just saw it again with Brian Hoyer. Remember how all the lines in front of Charlie Frye were dreadful... then magically good when Anderson stepped in? Same guys. Same line.

And the Browns were running the ball quite well in the first half Sunday. Willis, Obie, and Gray had 16 carries for 71 yards. Nice holes, nice gains. Why? McGahee is getting in better condition and Obie got some carries. Our commitment to the line as been well above average with three first rounders or damn near first rounders, plus a pair of 3s in Greco and Lauvao. I'd bet the average draft slot is top 5-7.

If Hoyer's in there and Lauvao's playing, we're back to talking about how good our line is.

In fairness though, the 49ers have an oline of high rounders (two of them are 1st round), and have one of the best olines in the NFL if not the best.

Relevant bump:

Another pick to thank Heckert for, I bet the Weeden pick was all Holmgren just like Colt McCoy was. Guess our starting CBs are set other than we need a good 3rd one.

Tebow "can't throw"

BRING ON THE TEBOW. Just play an offense that is suited to his talents. Lets go