@runyon27 said: I dont dispute that he may not be the "guy" time will tell. But I do dispute that McCoy is better. To me thats an absurd argument based on what McCoy has done on the field. hey i'm not saying that mccoy is better. i'm saying we never got the chance to find out. a rookie season felled short because of injury playing under one system. next year playing under another system w/o a running game (hillis fucked us with his so-called sore throat) and the like of little in his rookie year who had the nerves of a mouse in a corner and robiskie....WOW!!! then promised more talent around him w/o the franchise picking another QB which was a total bald faced lie only to get shoved aside like a piece of shit. that's the thing that irks me. it's not that mccoy is better than weeden. it's the way weeden was handed the job w/o any real competition. evaluation year. evaluation year. evaluation year. that's what i've heard every year since holmgren came into power. hell i hope weeden turns into andrew luck overnite and is the new messiah. i'm just the guy that hates people getting stepped on. i always root for the underdog when my team or player is not involved. but at the end of the day i just want the browns to win.

Chickenwang said: I honestly believe Colt will have another chance with this organization Not as a starting QB.

I dunno if I'm past my hating Weeden phase, but I definitely see improvement. Anyone watching the game has

@tim-couch-pulls-out said: I agree. Unfortunately, no one wants to give it time. It's "let's build a foundation" and then by week 8 it's "damn it all, let's fire them and start over". I would say thank god Browns fans aren't the GM, but unfortunately they make decisions more often than not(through fire ___ bandwagons that is all over the media as a result). Fan pressure obviously makes a difference. Now that we have Haslam as owner he should get someone reputable and stick by them, not just try to get temporary fast fixes.

@tim-couch-pulls-out said: Well you see, my little vacantbrained knobtwiddler, there are things called "matchups" in real life NFL football. Now I know that, in Madden, height and vertical differentials mean next to nothing, but they are very real measures in the very real world. I know it's hard to grasp that real football exists outside of your pretend-time tacklefootball video playbox, so why don't you leave the analyzing and discussion of real person football to real people? Like I said before, the pass to Greg Little wasn't necessarily a bad pass. It was intended to be high. On plays like that you are almost always looking to "throw the ball out of the endzone". This isn't a 60 yard floater that he's trying to drop into the hands of a flanker sprinting out a 9 route. If that were the case then yes, you'd want to land the ball in the endzone. But this is a 25 yard strike against 7 men in coverage. Weeden had trips left with Gordon out wide, Norwood in tight, and Little in the middle. Gordon and Little were lined up off the line, making it easier to beat the press. I can't really tell from the angle I have but it looks like Webb is locked in on man coverage with Little, with everyone else playing prevent. It's a cover two shell, with Reed and Pollard taking the back of the endzone and Webb manned up against their primary read. The only place for Weeden to throw it is high. Webb is listed at 5'10 with a 36 1/2 inch vertical leap and Reed at 5'11 with a 32 1/2 vertical. Little is listed at 6'3 with a 40 1/2 inch vertical leap. Little's peak is at 114 inches whereas Webbs is at 106. That's why the pass is intended to be high. Unfortunately, Weeden's jersey gets yanked, pulling his back shoulder down and raising his front shoulder. This changes the trajectory of the pass. It's also worthy to notice that Weeden had the same thing happen on an intentional grounding earlier in the game, and he may have put some extra into his pass because of that past experience. Either way, you're an idiot. Hahahahahahahahaha. That, people, is what you call a motherfucking headshot. It was Tim Couch Pulls Out, from the Grassy Knoll, and another trolling douche bag disappears in a pink mist. Facts and statistics trumps idiotic troll nonsense any day of the week.

@beefjerky said: LOL! Betting -12 is a horrible bet for almost any NFL team vs any NFL team. you got swindled and lost hahaaaaaaaa. Slow down bro, that 12 points was from Las Vegas odds i took the browns to cover on 100 and won, but don't get it twisted if Vegas will take that bet all day prebet time then do what we did place your wager

You guys are FUNNY!!!! Weeden did not look that bad, matter a fact take away the first game his stats look pretty good 560 yards 3TD 2INT com% around 65% Rating 90.2 The fact is that we have Rookies everywhere. They will look great at times ( Trents Tds) and not so great at times, as the year goes on they will get better and better. We will win most o our games later in the year..... Trent the man is a stud, he just running into a brick wall everytime, and our system does not fit his running style. Get a fullback in front of him...Ray Rice anyone!!!! Wide outs I agree about Little Catch the ball!!!!! Weeden again makes Rookie mistake release the ball sooner on deep routes we more than likely have 2 more tds i HAVE NEVER BASH OUR COACHES,BUT DOWN 10 WITH 6 MINUTES LEFT 4TH AND 6 YOU GO FOR IT!!!!!!!! At least I can say we were not Tampa, down 9 with 2:15 togo in the game and its 3rd and 9 and your RUNNING THE BALL. UGLY So everyone relax, the Browns will get better every week and score more and more. Shurmer does suck as a coach.....Just does not hmake the right choices thru out the game. Sorry but no way should have Weeden thrown the ball 85 times in todays game. They took trent out of the game because we were throwing so much and the game was 17-14!!!!! EPIC FAIL

There is absolutely no way of knowing whether or not Weeden sucks at this point. 2 NFL starts is not even close to being enough to make that judgement. He certainly sucked in week 1. I was there and saw just how bad the suckage was. Last week he looked like a guy who has the abilities to be a very good QB. After a season and a half of Colt and his noodle arm throws and piss poor decisions, we all know what he is, he's a career backup. Nice work if you can get it. You can say it's a fairly convincing loss....you can also say that a glass is half empty. Some people choose to find the positives. I think for a team that is widely being predicted as the worst team in the NFL to play a team on the road that made the playoffs last year (and being predicted to be there again by some) close and be in the game in the 4th quarter, is a positive and something to build on. I can pretty much guarentee that if last years team falls behind like we did this past week, the game isn't a 7 point loss or even a 10 point loss if you want to throw out the late FG.