With no risk comes no reward.

A little risk can sometimes be very rewarding but more times than not the level of reward is seemingly proportionate to the level of risk.

This brings me to the Johnny Football and Flash Gordon discussion. I think we can (mostly) all agree that Johnny has the potential to be a force in the NFL and Josh, when on the field, IS a force in the NFL. So, the reward portion of the risk/reward equation should be clearly evident with these two individuals.

Risk. Both have plenty, commonly linked by off the field antics. So this question I propose to you; is the reward worth the risk? I suppose the answer to that question lies in the eyes of the beholder. Most national media members will tell you no. These two just simply are not worth the headache. Johnny can’t be the face of a franchise and Josh is one slip up away from another ban.

While I have to respect that point of view I cannot accept it as a viable option for the browns, cutting ties with Johnny and Josh. My Cleveland Browns are simply just not in a position to discard potential elite talent because of “risk”. We are beyond that. Years of perpetual losing have brought us to that point. What is there for the browns to lose? A little more time? What’s another year tacked on to the 16 year string of ineptitude we have been fed since the “rebirth”? If Johnny shows continued improvement to end the year he needs to be the unquestioned starter moving forward. Paired with Josh, pending reinstatement, the possibilities are exciting.

No risk, no reward.

In this case, for the Browns and their fans, the reward is well worth the risk.

I understand my grammer leaves some to be desired. That is one reason why I'm a machinist and not a writer. The point remains the same.

Reason(s) To Believe

By: Josh Thornton

October 6^th, 2013

Yes, I understand that Bryan Hoyer was injured Thursday night. I also understand that he was then replaced by Brandon Weeden. Although both of these facts are less than ideal I feel this team WILL BE OK! Now, before you dismiss me as crazy hear me out.

First, Brandon Weeden can WIN in this offense. Like I said above, is he ideal? No. But, he can win. He can stretch defenses. Hit the big plays. The return of Josh Gordon is huge for him to be successful. Jordan Camron is playing at a high level. The offensive line will soon get a boost with the return of Shawn lauvao and Jason Pinkston(when he can return from the I.R.). The offense as a whole is capable of executing.

Secondly, they are hungry. The veteran leadership on this team is currently at levels I have never seen in recent years in Cleveland. This team is learning how to win football games. They are becoming a unit. Winning these games is not only important for the standings but for the psyche of this team.

Lastly, this defense is BAD. No, not bad as in opposite of good. Bad as in bad a**. Mean. Nasty. Really any adjective you would like to put in there. The bottom line is they are playing at a high level. I feel there is no team in the league that they cannot hang with. They are building momentum with every game, every WIN.

So, in closing not only CAN this team pull off winning the division and securing a playoff berth, they NEED to do so. With Baltimore and Cincinnati inconsistent and Pittsburgh irrelevant, Cleveland is in control.

Let’s go Cleveland...stun the world...

...when we win....then they will be swingin' from deez...thats why I'm big on the locals...rizzo, grossi, jimmy, doug, bernie, vic...

@choco said:

2 things....

one.....that top 10 D wasn't tested, and only top 10 because we were giving up 200 yards rushing and 100 passing.....or more specifically, teams had us beat at halftime because we couldn't score. there is a correlation, but this isn't to say the pass D is a complete myth. we held team to a low number of yards, in part to teams not needing to score on us. considering the list of poor passers we played last year, i think youre a bit overboard in considering our D top 10. if you dig deeper into the ranking stats, our D is good in some areas and weak in others.

you cant argue we improved more....because those players youre evaluating haven't played yet. the jags got blackmon, skins rgiii, colts luck.......so just how are you quantifying you anger? youre really saying we SHOULD improve more based on how our rookies SHOULD preform.....but lets not be foolish enough to assume that what exists on paper exists in reality. what if weedz is DA bad? obviously, we all have the O&B glasses on and dont wanna consider that....but its certainly a possibility.

much like you thought we were a guaranteed 11-5 team last year.....and emotional prediction. we overhauled the offense in a single year....yes.....with rookies. if youre expecting this offense to take the league by storm, then youre simply making the same mistake you made last year. keep it realistic....theyre gonna struggle, theyre gonna make some great plays, it'll be a rollercoaster season by all indications. 3 rookies at 3 key positions....not exactly a guaranteed successful formula.

5th in points scored aginst....that is all that matters to me.

@thaak said:

The only thing I'm worried about, is our luck on WR's in the 2nd round.

We keep drafting more WR's in the 2nd round to replace past 2nd round WR failures.

I think we've had like 7 to 9 2nd round WR's and so far none have panned out (Little is still pending).

Johnson,

Northcutt

Q

Davis

Robiskie

Massaquoi

Anyone name any other 2nd round WR's we've failed on?

These are all PAST front offices...lets not forget that. I'd say G. Little will be the first 2nd round WR hit for the current front office. Mark it down.

@king-ghoolie-lives said:

G-man,

there is no "IF' and "Hope" involved in this issue. This guy has skills that are off the board. If he would have been available to draft in 1960, Jim Brown would have been traded.

Ordinary? Yea......... he is your ordinary superman.

You just wait until the neandrethal toothless Steeler fucks line up 9 in the box. While cocksucker Pull-on-my-load is flying through the air over the line of scrimmage, Richardson will be 5 steps into the secondary saying bye bye.

The addition of Richardson and Weeden will allow EVERYONE some breathing room.

Don't be surprised to se a 2,000 yard rookie season out of this guy.

Seriously, Cinci? twice? That vould be 600 yards in two games.

Go Browns! Fuck everyone else.

Well done sir...

It's not holding out until he misses a scheduled event due to contract issues. 30 days out still. chill...

Dude, if I could get the boss(Ole' Lady) on board I would be there every sunday for sure! I cant get enough browns!

@gmp said:

...They have absolutley nobody at the wide-out or TE postion..

Ok, you could make an argument about the recievers but not the TE position. Watson - SOLID, Moore - SOLID to potential star.

If the catch from Brian is not called back and Moore pays attention and catches that pass we have 2 scoring drives from our first team offense. Nobody would be crying, 2 plays...and a completely different outcome. Calm down people. I saw plenty of good things...was it a sloppy game?...yes. You will have those. EVERY team has them.

It's been awhile since I've seen any new browns news on here so here's a few things going on.

Looks like Colt has a new book comming out. I didnt even know he was writing one. Short story, not much to tell but here is the link...

My link

Another lockout camp Being held in Texas organized by Colt and Scott Fujita...

My link

Looks like we are getting a radio program to feed our football hunger. Vic Carucci is comming to Cleveland.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8208a3e6/article/browns-add-radio-show-hosted-by-veteran-journalist-carucci

Cant wait for football! Go Browns!

Zombo said:

Super Bowl.

Colt McCoy is the next NFL Legend.

Peyton Hillis is a truck.

Scott Fujita is a leader of men.

Hayden, Ward and Rubin will be Pro Bowlers.

Thomas and Mack are perennial Pro Bowlers.

Greg Little is Rookie of the year.

This team reminds me of a 5-11 team a decade ago with a second year qb who was drafted late ... They were the NE Patriots.

Super Bowl.

Zombo

Ditto.

@thomaspro said:

Agreed. But by pulling the trigger on Peterson and moving Brown to Safety, you have filled 2 needs with 1 pick.

I'm not so sure moving Brown to saftey fills a need. I think Mr. Abe can get the job done.

Zombo said:

Yeah, they played Baltimore and Pittsburgh a lot tougher than we did, and their offense seems to get better as the season goes along, first year in Chan Gailey's system and Fitzpatrick is no slouch. The Bills are 1.5 point favorites ... we're going to have to play a solid mistake-free game to win.

Zombo

I think we played Baltimore pretty damn tough.

Peyton Hillis: 112 yards 2 td's

Tiebreaker: TE Benjamin Watson

Some people will never be pleased.

Same thing will happen next week when Cincy comes to town if Wright starts. I see him being the nickle next week.

Side note: 3rd and 2 and we take a shot downfield instead of trying to get 3 or 4 yards to move the chains. Devistating play call.

Look, after 2 weeks we have the 14th overall defense and the 16th overall offence. Now I know it's only 2 weeks in and the teams were Tampa and K.C. but that is a pleasent jump from 31st and 32nd. What is killing us even more than Daboll's playcalling is turnovers and penalties(sp?). Eliminate those two factors and we are 2-0 looking decent. Bottom line...players need to show up and execute.

Go Browns!!!

@roach said:

The defense today was an embarassment. We have a lot of linebackers, while at the same time, we have no linebackers. Nice trick Mr. Ryan. Get rid of the bum.

And how do you figure the defense was an "embarassment"? Pleasure us with some logic behind your statment.